Someone wrote:
...recovered recently after falling had been
beautifully fusion crusted, ...(snip)
Why anyone should doubt the existence of fusion crust
on a freshly fallen iron is beyond me - have a look at
Cabin Creek if you want proof that it still forms on
smallish irons falling at terminal
Jim,
One meteorite that comes close is NWA 3159. See Jeff Kuyken's slice at
http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/may2006.html.
I have a nice slice of this and am getting some thin sections made from
another slice. Unfortunately my stuff only has small traces of the gorgeous
river melt.
I
why if a person have buy now have the piece for the
actual price have for low, after if confirmed Aubrite
the price go up and not buy for the same price of now
You missed the point of my question.
WHY would the price of this stone go up when it is classified?
The results of the
Uuuuh list!
Returned after 3 weeks I found together with the New Year's wishes on the
list for happiness and peace, hundreds of mails full of grief as the authors
would have hung their brains on the Xmas-tree for decoration!
I have to speak with Eger to craft me some thimbles from a Ni-rich
Eman and list,
when it comes to irons there is but one authority to refer to: Vaugn
Buchwald.
There is not the slightest doubt that the melted exterior of freshly fallen
iron meteorites is called a fusion crust.
In volume 1 page 49f. of his Handbook of Iron Meteorites Buchwald explains:
Cuts
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Hey we all know the solution to this problem.PROUD TOM
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Dr. Buhl;
Thank you very much for checking this subject with the absolute authority
on iron meteorites ( Buchwald ).Great job.
Best Regards;Herman Archer.
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As I was heavily involved in developing the NomCom rules, let me give
my take on this whole discussion:
Our actions were stimulated by the Osterplana fossil meteorites, as
they are commonly called in the literature. For those who don't know
these, they are a group of several dozen objects
Hi again list.With all the emails and bantering around
on this meteorite do you think with all the pairings
and TKW,do you think this will be going up in price
anytime soon?I will be getting a kilo of it and just
wondering.It is a great meteorite.The price is just so
right now for getting some.Ant
Hi Jeff and list,
Thank you Jeff for the educating insight you have provided me, and others on
this topic. The more complicated these get, the more I am drawn into all
aspects of meteoritics. It certainly draws my attention away from the
negative Moroccan influence I endure while acquiring
Can't we get this buffon kicked off the list? This guy
cries when the prices are too high, he cries when the
prices are too low, it seems that all he does is cry!
For you information Matteo, Jim and I paid $4000 for
this rock on the assuption that it was Lunar in
origin. It was not, it turned out
Hi Steve and Everyone,
Steve asks,
With all the emails and bantering around on this meteorite do you think
with all the pairings and TKW,do you think this will be going up in price
anytime soon?
This meteorite is already offered at a very reasonable price for prepared
slices and individuals
Hello Listoids, Svend
--- Dr. Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:... I do not agree that the Glossary of
Geology of the American Geological Institute is a
sound reference for nomenclature and terminology of
meteorites.
GIST: For those that don't want to read the details, I
am asserting that even
I completely agree that iron meteorite falls have
fusion crust. Come on, they meteorites are often
covered with frothy blue-black crust, sometimes 2 or 3
mm thick, it flackes off, it was caused by the fusion
of iron minerals while burning at thousands of degrees
on entry, exactly the same way
Dear Crusty's;
I think the whole deal here with fusion crust which is what I choose
to call it, all boils down to what academia and thus the rest of us
mortal ones choose to call fusion crust.
We have discussed this issue numerous times here and it very much
relates my thought to President
The only problem here is that EMan has changed the definition of glassy
to make his argument work. Here is what Princeton says:
Adjective
S: (adj) glassy (resembling glass in smoothness and shininess and
slickness) the glassy surface of the lake; the pavement was...glassy with
water-
Hi, listers -
What matters (to me) for the New Jersey hole-in-
the-roof rock is its color. If its a fresh meteorite, I
think it should be covered in black stuff, whatever
you want to call it. Unless the rock is a aubrite or
from the lunar highlands.
Happy New Year!!
Allan
Hi,
Previously some people expressed an interest in this item...
http://www.tiny.cc/SA
Dave
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Geeze Dave, what an excellent FUSION CRUST!
Dave F.
Dave Harris wrote:
Hi,
Previously some people expressed an interest in this item...
http://www.tiny.cc/SA
Dave
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Hi,
here you have excellent fusion crust on a Sikhote Alin,
www.austromet.com/collection/Sikhote_Alin_18.7g_E.jpg
enjoy,
Christian
I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc
website: www.austromet.com
Ing. Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
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email:
Please Elton, don't make me laugh. This is no debate, nor is the use of
this term weakly founded in the literature. It is as established and
pervasive throughout the meteoritical literature as any term. The
decades of use of the term fusion crust to describe the results of
ablation on iron
Hi All,
I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg (b) from
the Hupe'
Collection. Lately I've been focusing on widening my collection by purchasing
smaller
specimens and this one is just beautiful. Some info about this meteorite;
An L5 chondrite found in 1957 at
Thanks, Svend, Elton,
for contributing interesting aspects to the discussion.
For me it's quite surprising that several sources use the expression
glassy (rind, coating, exterior) for defining fusion crust. Okay, glassy
is perfect for describing the character of many tektites such as moldavite
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:17:25 +0100, you wrote:
But it doesn't hit the point regarding meteorites. Glassy evokes the
impression of something shiny, very smooth, mirror-like. But as we all now
But the laymen use of the term isn't the scientific one. Glassy means
something that cooled quickly
I defined glass in a previous post specifically as
that which is formed from fuseing/melting silicates.
Which is closest to your thrid definition of glassy.
This isn't a discussion of commercial applications of
glass or philosophical ones. You missed the point of
this whole arguement that
On 7 Jan 2007 at 14:26, Darren Garrison wrote:
Glassy means
something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to
crystalize and is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess.
I think this is a stretch of the term 'glassy'. Unless there is somewhere a
reference to
this
I agree. But using an expression (also a scientific one) in a
phenomenological manner we should take care to avoid a contradiction (or
even tensions) between the phenomenological and the scientific dimension.
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To: Matthias
Hi List
It occurs to me that many silicated irons exist. So, if it walks like a
duck and looks like a duck
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Cc: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:31 PM
no, actually, it's not. amorphous or crytocrystaline, it would still be a
glass if it was composed of silicates.
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From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:34:12 -0500, you wrote:
On 7 Jan 2007 at 14:26, Darren Garrison wrote:
Glassy means
something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to
crystalize and is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess.
I think this is a stretch of the term 'glassy'.
actually, glassy is the same in both and refers to the surface as it appears
to the eye
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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re:
Hi All,
Very interresting discussion. However, I think we may be discussion the wrong
terms in
this debate. To wit;
Dictionary.com defines the two words, Fusion and Crust as:
Fusion:
1. the act or process of fusing; the state of being fused.
2. that which is fused; the result of fusing
Thanks for a cogent answer to my comments, Matthias.
We are in violent AGREEMENT. I fear now that I will
soon be the dead messenger beating the dead horse on
this simple issue.
I didn't select the term glassy for my argument. I
pointed out that it was quoted from the web site's
definition and
Thank you Darren. That clears some of this up for me.
Gary
On 7 Jan 2007 at 14:48, Darren Garrison wrote:
http://www.answers.com/glassr=67
Any of a large class of materials with highly variable mechanical and
optical properties that solidify from the molten state without
U What part of silicated irons may form a fusion
crust from my first post did you miss?
(GEEZEEE It feels like I am defending my thesis
all over again)
Regards,
Elton
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Hi List
It occurs to me that many silicated irons exist.
So, if it walks like a
I am in search of a specimen of the Ries offset
Jurassic age, belemnites. (Or other examples of shock
affected fossils from elsewhere) OR, if you have a
publishable photo of said specimens.
If anyone has a specimen for sale or trade AND I am
still inside the Brotherhood-- please contact me off
Hello Elton and everyone,
Ah, Elton, then may I ask if the appropriate classes of tektites, have a
fusion crust just to make a little more interesting discussion?
After the huge discussion we just had on this very same subject of fusion
crusts for irons, I thought everyone was finally happy:-).
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:56:00 -0700, you wrote:
phenomenological
It this really a word? Sounds like a George Bush word.
It seems perfectly cromulent to me.
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Good evening Elton and list.
Your point was that the definition of fusion crust needs to be changed
because, by definition, it doesn't fit iron meteorites. Elton, you wrote:
Here is the technical point explained ... a
(meteoritical) fusion crust is a thin glassy coating
(NOTE it is composed
Hello Gary and List,
I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg (b)
from the Hupe Collection...and this one is just beautiful Shock stage
S5, weathering grade W1; the chondrite is shock blackened and contains
impact melt clasts.
If you want to take a look it is
DOH!!
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007
Thank you Bernd,
I just finished uploading a very nice slice of Tulia (b) with a great 'river'
of FeNi at
one end - also received from the Hupe' collection.
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/tulia2-2.html
Best,
Gary
On 7 Jan 2007 at 21:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Gary and List,
I just finished uploading a very nice slice of Tulia (b) with a great
'river' of FeNi at one end - also received from the Hupé collection.
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/tulia2-2.html
Breathtaking 'river' of FeNi ! I only have a Tulia, H3-4 (a) slice.
I wonder what would happen if such
Elton;You have some good points on consistency of the use of the term of
'fusion crust on iron meteorites' Of course stony meteorites fusion crust
consists of magnetite too just like the irons.And i think V.F. Buchwald set the
standard for definition of fusion crust on iron meteorites.His work
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1817115.htm
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I hope someone can help me. I am looking for a photo of the Nogata
Meteorite that I can use in a powerpoint presentation.
Thanks,
Peter Scherff
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Hi Peter,
The only image I have seen of it was in a video about meteorites.
For those in the peanut gallery, it is the stone that fell May 19, 861ad.
in Nogata, Japan, crashing through the roof of a monastery of Buddhist
monks. It is the oldest documented hammer I know of. I believe not
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/06/nyregion/06rock.html
What Landed in New Jersey? It Came From Outer Space
By KAREEM FAHIM
New York Times
January 6, 2007
It was not from the neighborhood.
The object that tore through the roof of a house in the New Jersey
suburbs this week was an iron
Re: http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html
Hello Gary, Bernd and list,
Gary commented I just received and photographed this very nice slice of
Forestburg (b) from the Hupe'
Collection. Lately I've been focusing on widening my collection by
purchasing smaller
specimens and this
Michael,
I wonder what the monks would or have said about it? Why doesn't someone ask
them? I bet they would be happy to share their views. I doubt they revere a
rock. What could it represent to a Buddhist?
Bill
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:00:10 -0800, you wrote:
If you do discover a still photo of it, I would much appreciate if
you let me know of it, as I am working on a book about hammers. Right
Plugging the Japanese word for meteorite inseki along with Nogata pulls up
this small image:
Here is a google search with the kanji for nogata and inseki plugged in.
You can use the google translater to get Matteo-esque translations of the pages:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offq=%E9%9A%95%E7%9F%B3%20%E7%9B%B4%E6%96%B9%E5%B8%82btnG=Searchie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8sa=Ntab=iw
Hi,
For the lurking List, Nogata is an ordinary
chondrite, type L:
After detonations and a brilliant flash at night,
a stone fell which was recovered from a hole in
the ground the following morning. The stone has
been preserved since its fall in the Shinto shrine
of Suga Jinja, and the
Hello Michael. Nogotta meteorite :-)? If you are writing a book, may I
suggest...
For a good look at the stone, Check Figure 1 (page 90, see online link
below) of the 1983 paper on the Nogata chondrite or better yet, contact the
authors, for a nice picture of the low iron L6 meteorite which
This meteorite could be the subject of all kinds of fantasy books. Seemingly
stoic monks stash a rock contrary to their beliefs. Ninth century act of
passion? Call the monks!
Bill
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