Hi,
6.7 arc minute is 469,000 km at 17P's distance.
13-17 arc minutes is 910,000 to 1,190,000 km.
The first brightening was observed at Tennerife
just after local midnight, October 24, or about
52-54 hours ago. If the bright coma radius is
now 235,000 km, it's been expanding at roughly
4500
you'll see that any tail (which by default points away
from the Sun) would point away from the Earth at
a very similar angle. The tail would (will) have to be
fairly long before we got our first glimpse of it and...
the coma is in the way, too.
Sterling, this is not true for any tail. Due to
DUDE, you are messed up!
You are anti-American, that is the real issue isn't
it? I don't see you on here complaining about the
multitude of German collectors who went to Spain and
found meteorites there, not one word about them.
Aren't they the same in your mind? Didn't they take
meteorite from
No, we need that.
Don't discuss with tipsy writers.
Skol
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael
Farmer
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2007 11:52
An: Thaddeus Besedin
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re:
Thaddeus,
I have to say I was not able to laugh over the cartoon. But I can understand
Mike Farmer is pissed of how he was welcome in Peru.
Anyway I know Mike as a very liberal American, one with open hart and mind
,going to places all over the world where meteorites have been fallen. So
Yeah. I'm off the meds and a sailor at heart.
-Thaddeus
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Anyone else on this list tired of being called thieves
and pirates? Because 50% of the people on this list
happily bought pieces, as well as many scientists.
Thaddeus, this is getting old. Barbarism is war, and
terrorism, I hardly think collecting rocks, and saving
them from destruction
Just because something lands on your land doesn't
mean you own it. What if luggage containing money
came out of the sky, creating a crater, from an
airplane that exploded in mid-air? Would I own the
money? What if I found a human burial while digging a
pool. Would I own the skull? You make us all
in order to refinance some past acquisitions that turned out to be much more
cost-intensive than expected we would like to point you to a selection of
meteorites currently uploaded for auction.
Among them a glossy crusted 34gm Millbillilie which I really regret to let go.
But I am sure
I agree with Greg only as far as this is concerned.
The problem could and should be taken care of at the source.
It would be relatively easy for Moroccan dealers to get together when a
new
meteorite appears, like the new one from Mali or this Lodranite or the
many-numbered Shergottite. You
Every time our friends from thedark continent have
something that you may potentially let go of your rent
for, you doubt it. It's always a scam. I read about
good old boys here on the list ripping you off (how
COULD they!), and it's as if the phrase they're all
the same is the first thing that
I was using a familiar example. I would have said
Holy Roman Empire, which was, according to the idea
advanced comparing the theft of a comic to barbarian
theft of Roman Culture, appropriate. The Holy Roman
Empire would be the Second Reich. I'm also not
saying that Germany hads stolen Rome. But
Your friend just ripped off someone else, with much
more talent than either of you drunken cokeheads. How
is that sort of theft not barbaric? You need to stop
waving the word Peruvians or Peru's around as if
they are one big collective awareness. You have no
idea what science is, and what it is
I'll sell my old Folsom, California brothel token as a
whore quarter, a little meteor than right.
-Thaddeus
--- Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Walter Branch wrote:
difference between coins, tokens, medals, and
rounds--
except for coin collectors.
True. As a stamp and cover
WOW, you must be off your meds.
Art, I get censored, so this language is not permitted
on the list. This is a sick email.
This guy hates everyone and everything who does not
subscribe to his ideas of leaving every rock where it
lands and thinks that every purchase is a theft.
Anyone know who he
I find it offensive that you used an example of
splitting rocks as some sort of disparaging display of
humor. Rock splitting is incredibly difficult if you
do it to any design at all, which explins the great
abundance of waste flake material at prehistoric
archaeological sites. It took a great
I find it offensive that you used an example of
splitting rocks as some sort of disparaging display of
humor. Rock splitting is incredibly difficult if you
do it to any design at all, which explins the great
abundance of waste flake material at prehistoric
archaeological sites. It took a great
WOW, it was a cartoon. I see it as perfect, showing
Peru's scientists as being confused about the need to
preserve their one and only meteorite fall from
disentigrating. The Third Reich never really entered
my mind.
You have some serious issues, please deal with
them.Michael Farmer
--- Thaddeus
There is a difference. One country's trafficker is
anothers logistic agent. Attention-whore traffickers
are another matter.
I don't buy any more, so I really don't have any
qualms about calling it as I see it. Yes, I have
purchased from Farmer, so that makes me a John.
We have had perfect skies for days to observeup to the day that
Holmes flared upovercast ever since! :-(
Always seems to happen here in the UK when there is something good to see.
Thats why I took up collecting meteorites :-)
Graham Ensor
Mark Langenfeld wrote:
Even with the
I don't know, may you explain, why you ask from meteorite dealers a higher
moral standard or ethical behaviour than from the fastfood chain, where
you're munching your burgers, the power authorities, which are heating your
home, the carmaker, where you bought your car from, our butcher, baker,
You are driven by an interest in the material, surely,
but I think here that you may not have been
translating subtleties of context here as I may have
intend to communicate. I strictly compare Mike's
attitude to that of a trafficker in contraband, except
for his hesitation to control his public
Better you should use it for its original purpose. It would calm you down
a lot.
I'll sell my old Folsom, California brothel token as a
whore quarter, a little meteor than right.
-Thaddeus
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I just do not like waking up at 3 am for a flight, and
reading this same, tired drivel. As you say Martin, I
want proof if I am to be called a pirate. Peru has no
such laws, but in that country, their legal system
also states that you are guilty of any crime you are
accused of, you are required to
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
WOW, it was a cartoon. I see it as perfect, showing
Peru's scientists as being confused about the need to
preserve their one and only meteorite fall from
disentigrating. The Third Reich never really entered
my mind.
You have some serious
Hey, for all of you that need some fresh air, there is a really nice comet in
the sky :-)
Proposal to all: suspend this discussion, think of it, then forget it!
Jan
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Thaddeus Besedin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 26.10.07 13:08:35
An: Andreas Gren
Thaddeus Besedin wrote:
Germany has laws guaranteeing landowners their gifts from the sky;
As Martin said, be sure that you can back up your claims - there is no such
law in Germany. It seems that you don't have the best sources of
information... or are you making such things up to fit your
It appears to be coming directly at us so we
see the large coma and no tail
Jerry Flaherty
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:59:53 -0400, you wrote:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/5850/613
Full paper (minus illustrations), courtesy of Anne O'Nymous.
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:38:04 +0100, you wrote:
We have had perfect skies for days to observeup to the day that
Holmes flared upovercast ever since! :-(
Same here. In fact, my area has been in the midst of the worst drought in our
recorded history. But guess what's been happening the
hello anne and marcin.
i understoood what you sad anne yesterday but i went
late to bed very tired from a little trip , sorry if i
didn't answer fast.
i agree with you that there must be a structural
organization for meteorite and labs,and dealers.
but there is many problem and marcin had explain
Darren:
Please thank Anne for the article! :-) It is something that I can use in
my class. I would like to meet her some day. Does she go to the Tucson Gem
and Mineral Show?
Larry
On Fri, October 26, 2007 7:15 am, Darren Garrison wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:59:53 -0400, you wrote:
Hi list,
I was able to observe the comet last night. The southern hemisphere is
disfavoured, we have clear skies though...
It is a bright star for the unaided eye, in a 10x50 it appears as a small
bright circular disk. The 4 Newtonian reveals a circular disk with a bright
center, just outside
Hi list,
I was able to observe the comet last night. The southern hemisphere is
disfavoured, we have clear skies though...
It is a bright star for the unaided eye, in a 10x50 it appears as a small
bright circular disk. The 4 Newtonian reveals a circular disk with a bright
center, just outside
Thanks, Darren
I'm not debating this. I could have said Visigoths,
or Vandals or Seljuks of Rum.
Imapct was it.
--- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
WOW, it was a cartoon. I see it as perfect, showing
Peru's scientists as being
Without citation, I'm self-righteous (or self
confirming), but a book by Steinbeck, called The
Pearl, is appropriate for the problem of inequality
and prejudice that the meteorite trade can perpetuate
by affecting prices and wrinkling reputations.
You guys all think I'm on one by now; some people
My Dear Thaddeus,
You seem to take meteorite dealer hating to a new level.
I have always been amazed at the collectors who resent the
People who bring them meteorites. There seems always to be
That contingent that thinks NO ONE should make a living,
Selling meteorites regardless of how
Dear List,
Not trying to put a damper on the flowing champagne, but I am hearing
conflicting thoughts from different scientists regarding the rules of
whether a meteorite should be classified as an ACAP or a Lodranite. I know
it is grain size, but this is where I am hearing different
Hi,
No laws need be invoked. The process is an
endogenous one.
I have just completed an analysis of Thaddeus'
last 37 (a prime number) posts and have graphed their
frequency against their cross product of their fractal
dimension and the inverse of their entropy. I have
discovered a
Hello Greg and List,
Not trying to put a damper on the flowing champagne, but I am hearing
conflicting thoughts from different scientists regarding the rules of
whether a meteorite should be classified as an ACAP or a Lodranite.
I know it is grain size, but this is where I am hearing different
Yo Sterling,
Well stated (I think).
Do you write for that brillient sitcom THE BIG BANG?
Best wishes, Michael
on 10/26/07 10:27 AM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
No laws need be invoked. The process is an
endogenous one.
I have just
Sterling List,
I was thinking exactly the same...;-)
John
At 10:27 AM 10/26/2007, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
Hi,
No laws need be invoked. The process is an
endogenous one.
I have just completed an analysis of Thaddeus'
last 37 (a prime number) posts and have graphed their
frequency
Hi
I have some spam problems on my main email [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I got two
new emails
Please use this emails as PolandMET main emails from now.
marcin (at) meteoryty.pl
marcin (at) meteorite.pl
Old emails will work also.
Thank You
-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/071026-comet-holmes-update.html
Dramatic Comet Outburst Could Last Weeks
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 26 October 2007
02:09 pm ET
A comet that suddenly brightened earlier this week
has astronomers around the globe fascinated. And
the show
Hi All
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Highlights include;
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Exceptionally rare and still one of my favorite meteorite books. Bids
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Hola All,
The trouble with this fellow's logic is namely that he appears to
believe that the study of weathering effects on meteorites is more
important than the study of what is (at this point, probably 'was')
likely the largest fresh sample of the remnants of a solar nebula
currently on the
Hi, Holmes Watchers and Watcher Wannabees,
One thing we can say is that this comet has proven
that the usual comet rules do not seem to apply to it!
Something is going on that is outside the comet norm.
The usual solar heating of volatiles explanation seems
inadequate, particularly since it
Here's a more recent article, about the relation of Acap-Lod and models of
the parent body:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/2254.pdf
Best too
Martin
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet:
Greg inquired: What is the average grain size for the ACAP grouping being
discussed
HUTCHISON R. (2004) Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and Isotopic
Synthesis (Cambridge Planetary Science Series, pp. 506)-Excerpt, p. 252:
Table 8.2 Properties of primitive achondrite groups
Grain size:
I just heard about an hour ago 3 Wise men on camels from the East were seen
following the star Comet Holmes 17P and heading toward Bethlehem!
LoL
Don M
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Hi Mike,
Let's email Art and get Thaddeus off the list. Enough is enough.
Sonny
-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Thaddeus Besedin [EMAIL PROTECTED];
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 2:54 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mali
Hi all -
This Carancas story is getting to be quite an epic - I
wonder if anyone will write it all up for Meteorite
magazine.
I am sure that Mr Gregory's emails have taken their
toll on Mike, but I doubt if Mike helped himself with
the people of Peru with that offensive cartoon.
Thaddeus's
Hi all -
(My earlier post on this appears not to have made it
to the list.)
Does anyone know yet how the outgassing (and whatever
caused it) has affected 17P's orbit?
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
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It requires only a tiny percent of the mass to be ejected in order to
produce an immense coma. Furthermore, the mass almost certainly was
ejected at low velocity, and seems to be fairly isotropic.
The apparent motion of the comet is quite low now, so it will take some
time to get enough
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:57:06 -0400, you wrote:
I just heard about an hour ago 3 Wise men on camels from the East were seen
following the star Comet Holmes 17P and heading toward Bethlehem!
Be on the lookout for rough beasts. Especially ones who slouch..
Here's a more recent article, about the relation of Acap-Lod and models of
the parent body: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/2254.pdf
Quoting from that article: The grainsize distinction between acapulcoites
and lodranites is taken to be at 500 µm [1].
[1] McCoy T. J. et al. (1996)
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 22-26, 2007
o Many Channels (Released 22 October 2007)
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20071022a
o Arsia Flows (Released 23 October 2007)
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20071023a
o Back In View (Released 24 October 2007)
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20071024a
o
To say that Peruvians are, as suggested by Mike,
primitive and backwards, when no large impactor may
seem to have survived an impact directly through a
thin Ap/A/C, muddy alluvial soil an hitting an R
horizon of equivalent friablity (or should i say
equivalent hardness) is hardly some attack on
Oh no. The science wars all over again
(http://www.math.tohoku.ac.jp/~kuroki/Sokal/science_wars.html)!
Come on, I love that we can touch space, but supplying
the pasttime should not eclipse the pasttime. We don't
really all need to have every little stone. When does
the buying stop?
--- Sterling
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IAU0701:
New journal for astronomy communicators goes live!
26 October 2007, Munich: In response to an increasing need among the
growing community of astronomy communicators, the International
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Scientist's hunch strikes gold
By LISA BRITTON
Baker City Herald (Oregon)
October 25, 2007
Dick Pugh was just passing time as he thumbed through the annual
Memorial Tribute that lists Baker City's deceased back to 1887, and is
http://www.inlander.com/topstory/289061378211793.php
METEOR RIGHTS
by JACK NESBET
The Pacific Northwest Inlander
June 6, 2007
In the fall of 1902, Willamette Valley farmer Ellis Hughes, a humble,
intelligent Welshman, (according to Scientific American), was cutting
wood near the present town of
Can someone with clear skies give us a report tonight?
Thanks,
Mark
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
http://www.inlander.com/topstory/289061378211793.php
Thanks for posting-- long article but well worth reading, never seen this much
detail in one spot before.
But...
At some point after that, the Willamette Meteorite's crystalline
structure
I have a couple of unique tektites ending on e-bay tomorrow. Not classic
stretch pieces, but not hundreds of dollars either (at least not yet - feel
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let me know if you'd like future notification of tektite-related
I am in western Colorado. We have clear skies. Comet looks bigger
tonight over what I saw last night. Seems to have spread out a bit.
The outer fan of material looks thinner but bigger. I just have
binoculars.
Mike
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Big- over 10 arcmin across. More comet-like than the previous nights.
I'm not seeing much color tonight, and it seems a little less bright to
the naked eye, but that may because the air isn't as transparent, and
the Moon is really interfering. We have clouds rolling in, so I won't be
doing
Thanks, Bob. An interesting object, to be sure.
Mark
- Original Message -
From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Langenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holmes [17P], continued
Hi Mark,
Clear here in Duluth, Minn. 17P is
Hi,
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