John, List,
look at the Gulf of Mexico...
Take a look at this website:
http://www.scotese.com/
Here the PaleoMap Project is archived. The maps show
the configuration of the Earth's land masses in different
eras. You're talking about 66 million years ago as if
the layout of the continents was
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90053154?U.S.%20government%20sues%20former%20astronaut%20over%20lunar%20camera#ixzz1R7PMDp3p
Dear list,
This is a very relevant case to meteorites and should not be taken
lightly.
They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's
A refreshing change from NYT et al., New Scientist is usually pretty good.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128190.200-meteorite-hunter-my-two-months-in-an-omani-jail.html?full=true
--
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's
permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth
man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to
sell the camera they allowed him to have ...
Edgar Mitchell wasn't on Apollo
Well spotted Hehe, (now who's rewriting history ;) lol.
Seriously though I think the Astronauts should refuse to do any more PR work
for Nasa over this, it's disgraceful. (Assuming the press reports are true of
course).
These Guys and girls put their lives on the line - Granted there's a
Indeed it is not so much a legal question, it is a question of decency.
Seems that a new generation was bred by NASA.
How disrespectful and ungrateful can you still be for that by all means truly
heroic deeds the astronauts did for NASA and the nation, to molest them now at
their old-age with
I think the problem is a simple legal one. It is probably like the owner of
a business using business stuff for personal use. It is illegal. It was
probably illegal to give away the camera, and other stuff, because it is
material that belongs to the business-NASA. NASA is probably determined by
Sterling,
Thank you, great site/info.
Ahhh, the good old days.
John
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To: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
List,
This is getting totally out of hand. Did any of you catch this press release?
“NASA officials are demanding the return of the mission shoulder patch that
Bruce Willis sent back to Billy Bob Thornton in the 1998 film Armageddon.
While
acknowledging that this was just a film, NASA claims
Yes but why is it 'a legal one' now as opposed to 30 years ago?
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To: Mark Ford
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
I think the
Yes but why is it 'a legal one' now as opposed to 30 years ago?
Would Statue of Limitations apply here?
GeoZay
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Hi Doug and List,
Happy Fourth of July to our astronauts who are being harassed for
having garage sales!
What an absolute waste of taxpayer money and manpower (again).
At what point did our government go an Syd Barrett acid trip and not come back?
This kind of thing sickens me. It makes me
Edgar Mitchell is the only crew member of Apollo 14 still alive and was
the pilot of the Lunar Module.
Apollo 14
Commander - Alan (Al) B. Shepard, Jr.;
Command Module Pilot - Stuart (Stu) A. Roosa;
Lunar Module Pilot - Edgar (Ed) D. Mitchell)
Speaking of the Apollo 14 Moon landing:
It was
Yes, Mike, the misplaced priorities given NASA's budget woes were not
lost on me when thinking of the young lawyers working for or being
retained by NASA to harass these true Human (and American) heroes, for
the little perks enjoyed by the guys that were the common practice at
the time among
I agreewhy does NASA now have to recover this camera after 30 years?
There should be a statute of limitations or something against this action
by NASA.
Just can't see how NASA is probably determined by law to sue to retrieve
the objects.
That is just bull!!
Kirk..
- Original
Without knowing the U.S.-system,
I suppose penologic yes, but by civil law?
Anyway, to me it sounds rather like a disgusting publicity gag of a law
firm.
Or maybe caused by craving for attention, like that prosecutor in the
dust-case recently.
Hey,
NASA can keep our stinky old V2-rockets btw.
Couldn't agree more and i'm not even American! (It saddens me to see the US
slowly sliding ever downward, someone in the whitehouse really needs to take a
good east).
I never thought I would see the loss of US manned space flight in my lifetime,
yet at the end of this week that will be it!
* someone in the whitehouse really needs to take a good look east).
Opps typo
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford
Sent: 04 July 2011 16:57
To:
Cosmic Fireworks: On July 4, 1054, Chinese astronomers observed a guest star
in the constellation Taurus, the result of a star exploding or going Supernova.
At mag -6, SN1054 (Supernova of 1054) became about 4 times brighter than Venus,
was visible in daylight for 23 days, and lasted a period
I'm just wondering what it's going to take and where they are going to
store them reference to Moon Trees.
Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
MexicoDoug
Hi John - Thanks for the well placed 'humor' and getting me to wiki
Moon seeds to find out what you were talking about !
One of those Moon Seeds is less than 50 miles from me. If I could,
it'd be time for a picnic while the now nearly 30 year old sycamore is
in seed itself, to gather up some
10 deadly comets, asteroids and meteorites in the movies by Ryan Lambie
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/940445/10_deadly_comets_asteroids_and_meteorites_in_the_movies.html
Below are Wikipedia articles to various movies. They all deserve spolier
alerts as they typically provide a complete plot of
First, a disclaimer, I could be completely wrong about this. However, when
people who hold high positions within the government or its agencies speak
outside the realm of what those agencies believe is acceptable, sometimes there
are reprisals. Edgar Mitchell was one of the speakers at the
Hmm Mark,
for me that story sounds anyway too disgusting to be true, who knows?
But I don't know, how that would in any way affect meteorites?
Moon isn't Moon in terms of earthly laws.
Relevant for the ownership question of the Apollo rocks, that they are
indeed owned by the United States is the
List,
This action by the government deeply disturbs me and I couldn't agree more with
Martin. I just used the 'email the president' web site
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/) to send the note below to Mr. Obama. On
this 4th of July, I urge all the Americans out there to use this, or
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Rich Jolly wrote:
I have not been following this thread in great detail, just skimming the
messages.
One thought comes to mind is that if he was trying to sell the item that
while he may have gotten it as a gift, it was maybe under the
understanding that he or his family
Not so if they got it as a gift.
And as NASA wouldn't really have other problems right now.
Here, they can buy a new camera, the firma still exist and I guess, they
will have better ones now:
http://www.hasselblad.de/
If that continues, I fear they will dry and stuff the bodies of the
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Greetings!
Please, could we have a filter, which, when switched on for a particular
subscribed user, would filter out all offtopic non-meteorite messages (marked,
say, by OT)? It's becoming a big daily burden to have to delete manually or
even look through all these massive offtopic messages
Hello
Tooday is special day for me.
10 years ago, after speaking with my parents about my personal future, I
decided to try selling meteorites and maybe become a dealer one day. All
this years was very succesfull for me. I meet alot of meteorite friends,
visit many meteorite places and whats
http://www.wpbf.com/news/28418418/detail.html
Unfortunately this is not a case of media error. Here is a video you
can see the American National Hero Ed Mitchell discussing his mementos
and memorabilia and how things really were in the Apollo days. It is
easy nowadays that fewer and fewer of
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Hi Marcin,
also from me conratulation.
All the best for you and your meteorite business for the next 10 or 20 or 100
years. ;-))
Best regards Mirko
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Sergei,
Most email clients, both online and computer based, such as Outlook,
etc. have just what you ask for. You might try looking at your own
filters.
Cheers,
Jim Wooddell
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sergei Schmalz sergius...@yahoo.de wrote:
Greetings!
Please, could we have a
Listoids.
Make an offer on a 3,5kg. - 2,7kg. and 1,6kg (1615gr) Canyon Diablos.
They go way below todays market value.
The 3,5kg and 1.6kg. are very nice sculptured.
Ask for pictures off list please.
Best,
Jan
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Good point Richard and Jim! I didn't even think about this angle, and it
really makes a lot of sense. My warning flag waved when I read about
them showing up a day early, but I dismissed it because of these
people's perceived plight. Perhaps this family wasn't a family at all,
and were as Jim
Hello Marcin,
10th anniversary ... wow!
Sincere congratulations!
Keep up the good work!
Bernd (in Germany)
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Congratulations Marcin,
You have certainly brought many interesting and beautiful meteorites to the
scientific and collector communities, and I have many of your treasures in my
collection. I concur with Mirko, Wadi Woreczko and Bernd in wishing you and
your Polandmet business all the best
Wow - after 10 years I hope new finds eclipse even your main mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJUh3sU5sG0
First time I'd seen it ... good luck always and you never know what
treasures the next ten years will bring and that's the most fun.
Congrats
Doug
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Congratulations, Marcin!
It goes to show that your sincere appreciation and dedication to something
you love will take you to a wonderful place... in your case, an avocation
you can hardly call work, yet it provides for your financial needs! Way to
go, a wonderful life story!!
Best Regards,
For the record:
There are 43 meteorites and thin sections in my collection of
Polandmet provenance! Thank you, Marcin, for these goodies!
Two thumbs up!
Bernd
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Hi Marcin,
You've been a great source of high quality beautifully prepared material.
Congratulations and keep up the great work!
Jim Baxter
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Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:38:37 AM GMT
G'Day Marcin
A big congratulations and the best is yet to come! I was just looking
at one of your beautiful full slice I have of Thuathe. Quality piece and
packaged beautifully.
Keep up the good work
Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125
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From:
Marcin,
I'm so glad you started selling meteorites. I'm still in awe of how
nicely cut and beautifully polished your specimens are. Thanks for all
the nice rocks over the years!
Best wishes for 10 more -
Bob
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net wrote:
Hello
Tooday
Hi Chris -
The folks at NASA who are working on this are extremely competent, and
are in close association with meteoritics research groups at
universities and observatories around the world. To suggest that these
people are incompetent says more about you than it does them.
I did not say
If it is illegal now it was probably illegal then. It is just that it was a
hay-day of sorts thirty years ago and no one thought more of it. I imagine
now that NASA is coming down there is probably a lot of auditing going on.
And the auditors are finding things missing. It is just a
I've often wondered and maybe someone here can answer.
Since 1054 was long before the 1582 conversion from the Julian to Gregorian
calendar, is the July 4 date that gets mentioned for the first sighting of
supernova a Julian date or has it been converted to Gregorian?
???
patrick
On 04 Jul
Hello Everyone,
Someone on the Lunar Observing forum at Cloudy Nights posted this. Too good
not to share.
An outstanding photo of the central peak of the lunar crater Tycho, as
imaged by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1987.html
It ought to be Julian since that was in effect ... or else all the
references would have to say something about the re-adjustment of the
date, but that's just an opinion! In astronomy, generally the 1582
conversion is respected by astronomers if I recall - I.e., before that
time events are
Eric,
Thanks for the analysis and the words of warning. Others on List have said the
same thing and I did post a reply. I will be even more careful about our
security which at the present is pretty formidable. Security Guard resides on
property, sophisticated alarm systems, Doberman Pinscher.
The Gregorian calendar represents a generalized conversion so that things
are easily kept in perspective between the sciences and the rest of the
world. And thus, the terms Current Era (CE) and Before Current Era (BCE)
have come into use and they do not represent Julian Calendar timelines.
You
List,
Does anyone know where Abdelaziz Alhyane is?
Thomas
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Hi Mark,
I meant it ought to be Julian in the sense that it is the Julian
calendar system I believe is used by astronomers for dates before 1582,
since we are by default dealing with the Holy Roman empire's calendar -
our calendar, which makes me believe the July 4 date all over the
place by
I bet that the Chinese used their own calendar system.
On 5:44:32 am 07/05/11 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
I meant it ought to be Julian in the sense that it is the Julian
calendar system I believe is used by astronomers for dates before
1582, since we are by default
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