[meteorite-list] SNAPSHOT OF EXTINCTION

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Dear List,

A site in the Hell Creek 
Formation (found in the SW 
part of South Dakota and 
elsewhere across the upper 
Midwest) has yielded a fossil 
site that seems to date to the 
exact day of the Chicxulub 
impact, or so it's claimed.

The longest story with photos
I found at The Daily Mail, but 
there are stories at Science 
Daily and Gizmodo.

<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6865903/The-deathbed-dinosa
urs-Dig-uncovers-66-million-year-old-fossilized-graveyard.html>


Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] OLDESTR IGNEOUS METEORITE

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List,

"Oldest-ever igneous 
meteorite contains 
clues to planet building 
blocks:"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180806095218.htm

"NWA 9 is the oldest-ever 
igneous meteorite recorded at 
4.565 billion years... "The age of 
this meteorite is the oldest, 
igneous meteorite ever recorded," 
said Professor and Director of the 
Institute of Meteoritics Carl Agee. 
"Not only is this just an extremely 
unusual rock type, it's telling us 
that not all asteroids look the 
same. Some of them look almost 
like the crust of the Earth because 
they're so light colored and full of 
SiO2. These not only exist, but it 
occurred during one of the very 
first volcanic events to take place 
in the solar system."

There's a good picture of 
this very odd item in the 
article.


Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Online Guidebook to Western Australian Impact Craters

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Paul, List,

I see they named a crater 
after Gene Shoemaker. That 
was nice of them.

Sterling Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Online Guidebook to Western Australian Impact
Craters

I came across a quite interesting field guide to impact craters of western
Australia. It has detailed descriptions of several impact craters and
associated impactites.

It is:

Western Australian impact craters - a field guide Field Excursion 20-29
August 2012 (Post Meteoritical Society Conference Excursion) Geological
Survey of Western Australia
http://museum.wa.gov.au/research/departments/earth-and-planetary-sciences/we
stern-australian-impact-craters-field-guide
http://museum.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/Met-FT-2012.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Online Guidebook to Western Australian Impact Craters

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Paul, List,

I see they named a crater
after Gene Shoemaker. That
was nice of them.

Sterling Webb
[Forgot I can't send the List 
HTML; here is the Plain Text]
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-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:52 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Online Guidebook to Western Australian Impact
Craters

I came across a quite interesting field guide to impact craters of western
Australia. It has detailed descriptions of several impact craters and
associated impactites.

It is:

Western Australian impact craters - a field guide Field Excursion 20-29
August 2012 (Post Meteoritical Society Conference Excursion) Geological
Survey of Western Australia
http://museum.wa.gov.au/research/departments/earth-and-planetary-sciences/we
stern-australian-impact-craters-field-guide
http://museum.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/Met-FT-2012.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] STICKY TAPES

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Anne, List,

The absolute worst sticky tape 
to remove is Scotch No. 800 and 
similarly formulated varieties 
of clear packing tapes. 

Years ago, when my family ran 
a drugstore, we used Scotch No. 
800 to wrap the label onto your 
pill bottles because you never 
want that kind of label to come 
off... ever.

The only two solvents that 
would work on that stuff was 
petroleum-distillate-based 
cigarette-lighter fluid or 
acetone, neither of which 
is pleasant to work with 
and will require a well-
ventilated area.

There is a good but even more 
primitive solution to holding 
a plastic box shut, but one that 
is very effective. 

Go to an office supply store 
and buy a box of 1/4" (wide) 
rubber bands of the right 
length to be stretched tight 
in one or two wraps around 
your packaging. No residue 
at all.


Sterling K. Webb



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[meteorite-list] Meteorites Recovered From Ocean Bottom

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List,

It seems that Marc Fries 
(former list member) has 
recovered fragments from 
the fireball that passed over 
Seattle in March of this 
year... from the bottom of 
the Pacific!

"Against all odds, NASA 
may have actually found 
a meteorite on the bottom 
of the ocean:"
<https://bgr.com/2018/07/05/ocean-meteorite-nautilus-nasa-expedition/>

They say:
"...researchers will examine 
the fragments more closely 
and hope to conclusively 
determine that they are 
indeed from space. If the 
rocks are indeed extra-
terrestrial, it will mark 
an incredible accomplish-
ment for the expedition 
team."

I'll say!


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why Extraterrestrial Life May Be More Unlikely Than Scientists Thought

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List, Alfredo,

A copy of this book (.pdf):
"Rare Earth: Why Complex 
Life is Uncommon in the 
Universe" by Peter Ward 
and Donald Brownlee can 
be downloaded (free) from 


Simply type "rare earth 
peter ward" into the search 
box and click "Search."

Peter Ward has a certain 
reknown as a contrarian 
in evolutionary theory. 
Many people know of the 
"Gaia" hypothesis of James 
Lovelock, that our planet 
is natually constituted to 
promote the emergence 
and long elaboration of life. 
Hence the term "Mother 
Earth" (which is what the 
divinity "Gaia" meant in 
Greek mythology).

Of course, that's more of 
a kind of generalization 
about theories, rather than 
an actual theory, but we 
do tend to like that idea, 
naturally; it flatters us.

Peter Ward has proposed 
the opposite: the "Medea" 
hypothesis, that "Mother 
Earth" wants to and has 
always "wanted" to stamp 
out this infestation of life 
by any means possible. (In 
the Greek myths, Medea 
murdered all her own 
children.)

Stomp, Stomp, STOMP. 
He's written almost a 
dozen (11) books that 
elaborate that theory.
They're full of convincing 
evidence and many good 
arguments and are, well, 
immensely depressing 
to read.

But the fact that some book 
bothers your innate (possibly 
unconscious) biases is not 
really a very good argument 
against it. When Darwin was 
quite elderly (but when "his"
evolution was still being 
argued against), a group of 
Victorian ladies asked him 
if his "ideas" about life's 
evolution had taught him 
anything about God.

Darwin pondered for a 
moment and replied, "Well, 
He does seem to have been 
inordinately fond of beetles." 
(There are 500,000+ species 
of beetle on Earth.)

Perhaps He feels that same 
way about habitable planets?
Or not. (Here's a good book 
that presents FIFTY reasons 
why there are no inhabitable 
planets with life:
"If the Universe is Teeming 
with Aliens, Where is Every-
body?" by Stephen Webb (pub.
by Praxis, 2002; it can be 
found for free on that same 
website I named above.)


Sterling Webb 
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 9:55 PM
Cc: meteorite list
Subject:Re: [meteorite-list] Why Extraterrestrial Life May Be More Unlikely
Than Scientists Thought


Apart from possible paucity of phosphorus, there are several other reasons
why advanced life could be much rarer than previously thought. Currently
everyone is looking for planets in the "habitable zone" around stars, but we
don't know what % of planets within a habitable (ie. temperature suitable
for liquid water) zone could develop advanced life. So far we only know of
one such planet, our own. It is likely that plate tectonics is a necessary
condition, for nutrient recycling, climate control, etc. Earth has it; Mars
and Venus do not. How commonly do Earth-like planets develop plate
tectonics? We don't know. 
A large moon will likely be a requirement for advanced life too, for several
geophysical reasons, and large moons seem to not be common with Earth-like
inner planets. Mars and Venus, again, don't have one. And so on... Books
have been written on this topic, years ago. I just finished one that was
written about 20 years ago, by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee: "Rare Earth:
Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe"





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[meteorite-list] Tiangong-1 Down

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List,

The Tiangong-1 Space Habitat 
is down, in the South Pacific, 
at about 8:16 p.m. ET

It is likely that all sales of 
Tiangong-1 debris has already 
been suspended... 

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] FIREBALL!

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List,
 
"Meteor size of minivan caused 
booming fireball over Washington:"
 

https://www.slashgear.com/meteor-size-of-minivan-caused-booming-fireball-ove
r-washington-09522832/
 
A piece made it to the ground, 
only the "ground" was the Pacific 
Ocean. Nice video of the bolide 
in the article, though.
 
 
Serling Webb
 
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[meteorite-list] FIREBALL!

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List,
 
"Meteor size of minivan caused 
booming fireball over Washington:"
https://www.slashgear.com/meteor-size-of-minivan-caused-booming-fireball-ove
r-washington-09522832/
 
A piece made it to the ground, 
only the "ground" was the Pacific 
Ocean. Nice video of the bolide 
in the article, though.
 
 
Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] ANOTHER MOON FORMATION THEORY

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,
 
"Moon was made from 
spinning cloud of vaporised 
rock, say scientists:"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/moon-how-made-origin-vaporised-roc
k-cloud-astrophysics-science-harvard-a8233006.html?utm_source=quora
 
 
Sterling K. Webb
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Seafloor Data Point to Global Volcanism after Chicxulub Impact

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Paul, List, 

The real mystery about Chicxulub 
is its SIZE for so recent a date. 
Or another way of putting it is to 
ask how an object that big could 
keep crossing the Earth's orbit for 
all those billions of years without 
deliverng us a good smack?

There's a theory that Chixcy is a 
by-product of the breakup of the 
large asteroid 298 Baptistina about 
160 million years ago, and Chixcy 
got tossed our way and managed 
to nail us in only 100 million years.


That I can believe...

It's an interesting notion, and it 
models well. I quote it: "...lines of 
evidence, however, suggest that 
the impact flux from kilometre-
sized bodies increased by at least 
a factor of two over the long-term 
average during the past ∼100 Myr."

I see that the journal Nature 
wants you to buy the article, but 
you can download a PDF of the 
actual article for free from here:  
http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~bottke/Reprints/Bottke_2007_Nature_449_48_Baptistina_KT.pdf

Knowledge wants to be free, 
doesn't it?


Sterling Webb 

-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 8:39 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Seafloor Data Point to Global Volcanism after 
Chicxulub Impact

The dinosaur-murdering asteroid maybe also triggered an underwater volcano 
meltdown. Why pick just one flavor of apocalypse? By Rachel Becker, The Verge,  
Feb 7, 2018 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/7/16988112/asteroid-chicxulub-mass-extinction-dinosaurs-underwater-volcanoes-magma

Seafloor data point to global volcanism after Chicxulub meteor strike, 
University of Oregon, February 7, 2018 
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-02/uoo-sdp020518.php
https://around.uoregon.edu/content/one-two-punch-may-have-helped-deck-dinosaurs

The paper is;

Joseph S. Byrnes and Leif Karlstrom, 2018, Anomalous K-Pg-aged seafloor 
attributed to impact-induced mid-ocean ridge magmatism Science Advances  07 Feb 
2018:
Vol. 4, no. 2, eaao2994 DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.aao2994
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaao2994

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] MICHIGAN METEOR

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List,
 
"Fireball Finds! Meteorite 
Fragments from Dazzling 
Michigan Meteor Found on 
Ice:"
https://www.space.com/39442-michigan-meteor-fireball-meteorites-found.html
Some nice pictures, too.
 
 
Sterling Webb
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[meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

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Hi, Jeff, Mattias, List,

Diamonds are formed deep
within the Earth's mantle: 
between 100 km and 200 km
below the surface at static
temperatures of 900 - 1300 C. 
Pressures there are between
45 - 60 kilobars.

A meteor impact, even a
relatively small one (Meteor
Crater) can generate 20-25
kilobars in impact pressures. 
A 50% increase in veocity
would boost those impact
temperatures and pressures
to diamond-forming levels.

If it was an iron meteorite
with carbon inclusions...

Little diamonds...

See: Meteor Impact on Solid
Surfaces, by E. J. Opik:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1958IrAJ5...14O

So, don't just drop the lumps
of coal; throw them down... 
really hard. And it wouldn't
hurt to give them a good
squeeze before you do!

Another good reference on
the effect of impact pressures
and temperatures can be found
here:
http://theconversation.com/meteorite-impact-turns-silica-into-stishovite-in-
a-billionth-of-a-second-48946

Diamonds and craters go together.

Russia's largest diamond mine
IS a crater: "The world's largest
known diamond deposit was
formed by a massive asteroid
impact," they say:

"Diamonds Beneath the Popigai
Crater -- Northern Russia:"
https://geology.com/articles/popigai-crater-diamonds/

Poipigai is the seventh largest
crater on Earth, and the world's
largest known diamond deposit.
It is 100 kilometers wide, with
a rim of deformed rock up to 20
kilometers wide. 

It was formed by the impact of
a massive asteroid of 5 or 6 km. 
The biggest diamonds there are
only 2mm in size, the size of the
carbon flakes they formed from.

Interestingly, the conditions at
the impact point were too severe
to form diamonds! "The diamonds
found today were probably formed
in a thin zone of rock located
about 12 to 13 kilometers out
from the point of impact."


Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:39 AM
To: Jeff Kuyken; Gmail; Tommy; Met-List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar
system status quo

Sale of lumps of coal suspended pending further notice ; -)

Am 10.01.2018 um 11:10 schrieb Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list:

Hmmm... diamonds formed from shock with the Earth's
atmosphere or ground? Really? Can't say I'm convinced but happy to be proven
wrong. Although if I'm wrong I'm climbing up a tree and going to start
dropping lumps of coal... ;)

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
IMCA #3085
www.imca.cc
_
From: Gmail via Meteorite-list 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone
rattles solar system status quo
To: Tommy   ,
Met-List 
 


Seems strange that it has not been classified or published in the
MetBull which makes me question any of the findings. If I understand
correctly, meteoriticists/researchers cannot publish papers until the
meteorite has been published in the MetBull.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list

  wrote:

Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your
thoughts?

Regards!

Tom


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180109112437.htm


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[meteorite-list] Alien Minerals

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Listees,
 
"Alien Minerals Discovered 
at Ancient Meteorite Strike 
Site in Scotland:"
http://www.newsweek.com/skye-meteorites-alien-mineral-749103
 
"Geologists have uncovered 
mineral forms never before 
seen on Earth at the site of 
a sixty million-year-old 
meteorite strike on the Isle 
of Skye in Scotland..."
 
Sterling Webb
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] What Happens If China Makes First Contact?

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Alfredo, Paul, List,
 
I can suggest two recent 
(within a few decades) books 
on the whole question of 
Extraterrestial contact:
 
"If the Universe is Teeming 
With Aliens, Where Is Every-
body?" (2002) by Stephen 
Webb, presents in detail the 
arguments for 50 different 
explanations for the apparent 
lack of evidence for aliens 
everywhere (or anywhere).

He has a website: 


A history of recent searches 
and searchers is: "Five Billion 
Years of Solitude: The Search 
for Life Among the Stars," by 
Lee Billings" (2013).

Even that title seems mournful 
to me...


Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 7:56 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What Happens If China Makes First Contact?


Let's hope that no one ever makes contact, because it would be a disaster
for one of the parties, us or them. In first contacts between cultures, the
less developed one is usually destroyed, if not by violence then by
inferiority complexes, addictions and other mental issues. Making contact
with an alien culture that is just coincidentally at the same technological
level as us would be so improbable as to be in the realm of religious hope
rather than reality.

On 19 November 2017 at 02:02, Roman Jirasek via Meteorite-list
 wrote:


As America has turned away from searching for
extraterrestrial intelligence . . .

Maybe because they already found it years ago!?

Roman


From: Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:11 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
Subject: [meteorite-list] What Happens If China Makes First Contact?


What Happens If China Makes First Contact?
As America has turned away from searching for
extraterrestrial intelligence, China has built the
world's largest radio dish for precisely that purpose.
The Atlantic, Ross Andersen, December 2017

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/what-happens-if-china-m
akes-first-contact/544131/
 

https://soundcloud.com/user-154380542/what-happens-if-china-makes-first-cont
act-the-atlantic-ross-andersen
 

With Massive Radio Telescope, China Takes World's Lead
In Search For Alien Life, here and Now, November 16, 2017
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/11/16/china-radio-telescope
 

The Alien Observatory --China's Preeminent Philosopher of
'First Contact' Visits New FAST Radio Telescope: "Warns of
Extinction By a Hidden Hunter" The Daily Galaxy,
November 08, 2017

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2017/11/the-alien-observatory-chinas-pr
eeminent-philosopher-of-first-contact-visits-new-fast-radio-telsecope-warns-
of-human-1.html
 

Yours,

Paul H.



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[meteorite-list] Meteorites Date Jupiter's Formation

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Dear List,

"Meteorites are made up from two 
genetically distinct nebular reservoirs 
that coexisted but remained separated 
between 1 million and 3-4 million 
years after the solar system formed."

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-evidence-jupiter-oldest-planet-solar.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/06/06/1704461114

"By looking at tungsten and 
molybdenum isotopes on iron 
meteorites , the team, made 
up of scientists from Lawrence 
Livermore National Laboratory 
and Institut für Planetologie at 
the University of Münsterin 
Germany, found that meteorites 
are made up from two genetically 
distinct nebular reservoirs that 
coexisted but remained separated 
between 1 million and 3-4 million 
years after the solar system formed.

"The most plausible mechanism 
for this efficient separation is the 
formation of Jupiter, opening a 
gap in the disc (a plane of gas 
and dust from stars) and 
preventing the exchange of 
material between the two 
reservoirs," said Thomas Kruijer, 
lead author of the paper appearing 
in the June 12 online issue of, 
Proceedings of the National 
Academy of Sciences. Formerly 
at the University of Münster, 
Kruijer, is now at LLNL. 
"Jupiter is the oldest planet 
of the solar system, and its 
solid core formed well before 
the solar nebula gas dissipated, 
consistent with the core accretion 
model for giant planet formation."

Jupiter is the most massive 
planet of the solar system and 
its presence had an immense 
effect on the dynamics of the 
solar accretion disk. Knowing 
the age of Jupiter is key for 
understanding how the solar s
ystem evolved toward its 
present-day architecture. 
Although models predict that 
Jupiter formed relatively early, 
until now, its formation has 
never been dated.

"We do not have any samples 
from Jupiter (in contrast to 
other bodies like the Earth, 
Mars, the moon and asteroids)," 
Kruijer said. "In our study, we 
use isotope signatures of 
meteorites (which are derived 
from asteroids) to infer Jupiter's 
age."

The team showed through isotope 
analyses of meteorites that 
Jupiter's solid core formed 
within only about 1 million 
years after the start of the solar 
system history, making it the 
oldest planet. Through its rapid 
formation, Jupiter acted as an 
effective barrier against inward 
transport of material across the 
disk, potentially explaining why 
our solar system lacks any super-
Earths (an extrasolar planet with 
a mass higher than Earth's).

The team found that Jupiter's 
core grew to about 20 Earth 
masses within 1 million years, 
followed by a more prolonged 
growth to 50 Earth masses until 
at least 3-4 million years after 
the solar system formed.

The earlier theories proposed 
that gas-giant planets  such as 
Jupiter and Saturn involved 
the growth of large solid cores 
of about 10 to 20 Earth masses, 
followed by the accumulation of 
gas onto these cores. So the 
conclusion was the gas-giant 
cores must have formed before 
dissipation of the solar nebula—
the gaseous circumstellar disk 
surrounding the young sun—
which likely occurred between 
1 million years and 10 million 
years after the solar system 
formed.

In the work, the team confirmed 
the earlier theories but we're able 
to date Jupiter much more 
precisely within 1 million years 
using the isotopic signatures of 
meteorites.

Although this rapid accretion 
of the cores has been modeled, 
it had not been possible to date 
their formation.

"Our measurements show that 
the growth of Jupiter can be 
dated using the distinct genetic 
heritage and formation times 
of meteorites," Kruijer said.

Most meteorites derive from 
small bodies located in the 
main asteroid belt between 
Mars and Jupiter. Originally 
these bodies probably formed 
at a much wider range of 
heliocentric distances, as 
suggested by the distinct 
chemical and isotopic 
compositions of meteorites 
and by dynamical models 
indicating that the gravitational 
influence of the gas giants led 
to scattering of small bodies 
into the asteroid belt. 

Read more at:
https://phys.org/news/2017-06-evidence-jupiter-oldest-planet-solar.html#jCp 

Sterling K. Webb


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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Rob, Ruben, List,

Virtually EVERY digital 
camera and photo-enabled 
phone made in the last 5 
years or more encodes what's
called EXIF data for every 
photo taken. That includes 
the GPS data for the photo 
location (among many 
other types of data).

Here's a good free program 
that addresses the problem 
of keeping your location 
secret: 
http://www.howtogeek.com/211427/how-to-see-exactly-where-a-photo-was-taken-a
nd-keep-your-location-private/

Simply Google "gps exif 
viewer" to find links to 
dozens of excellent EXIF 
viewers available for free 
download.

Sterling K. Webb
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Behalf Of Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:27 AM
To: Ruben Garcia
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

Hi Ruben:

"These pictures were taken with a hand held digital camera so, no worries."

Just FYI, depending on the camera, that is not a safe assumption. I have a
point-and-shoot Olympus TG Tough digital camera that I use primarily for
scuba diving and snorkeling and it has a GPS receiver and geotags photos
unless the feature is disabled. In any case, I think I could use your photo
to get much closer than you might think, but then I'm probably an exception
that you wouldn't be concerned  about. ;-). --Rob



On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ruben and List,
>
> Make sure you strip out all location data from the photos before 
> uploading them. Most mobile phone cameras attach GPS coordinates to 
> the photo file. You can strip them out easily, but many people forget 
> or don't realize the data is there.
>
> I uploaded a photo of one of my fossil spots to a forum and forgot to 
> strip out the location data. Another member messaged me in private and 
> told me he saw the exact coordinates of our location in the photo 
> data. I quickly deleted the photo, stripped the data from the file, 
> and re-uploaded it.
>
> Best regards and happy hunting,
>
> MikeG
>
> www.galactic-stone.com
>
>
> On 12/6/16, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Of course, I'm partly joking.  I think most of Northwest Arizona 
>> looks like this.  However, I do think someone could get within 7 - 10 
>> miles of the area without much trouble. Finding the exact area would 
>> be a little more difficult.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ruben Garcia 
>> <rubengarcia85...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Then get out there and find more , what are you waiting for?  Lol
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2016 3:10 PM, "Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list"
>>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi List!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geese Ruben, your pictures tell us exactly where you are!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take care out there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/06/2016 11:05 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>> > Great looking stones, I hope this strewn field turns out to be 
>>>> > one that produces for many, many years!  Looking forward to the 
>>>> > classification and getting out there myself.  So much terrain 
>>>> > like that in AZ, every time I drive through the state I want to 
>>>> > stop and cold hunt just about everywhere.
>>>> >
>>>> > Michael in so. Cal.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
>>>> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>> >> My friend Myke Steighler recently found some really fresh 
>>>> >> looking (probably L) chondrite meteorites in Northwest Arizona.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Today he invited Dustin Dickens and Myself to hunt what we 
>>>> >> believe is Arizona's Newest Strewn field.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Unfortunately, I can not divulge the exact location until the 
>>>> >> classification process is completed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> However, here are some photos of our hunt and some of Myke's 
>>>> >> amazing finds.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/arizona-s-newest-strewnfield
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>&

[meteorite-list] Another, Different Chicxulub Theory

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Dear List,
 
"Scientists Say Dinosaur-Killing 
Asteroid Made Earth's Surface 
Act Like Liquid:"
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/22/503013290/scientists-say-d
inosaur-killing-asteroid-made-earths-surface-act-like-liquid
 
"...recently published in the journal 
"Science." Deep drilled samples from
the crater... settled a major debate 
about how a planet's surface behaves 
during an asteroid impact - and 
how the mountain ring, known as 
a "peak ring," is formed. Some 
researchers have argued that the 
process is dominated by melting 
on the surface, which would mean 
that the ring is mainly formed from
material moving from side-to-side. 

In that model this ring of peaks are 
created by shallow material kind 
of moving towards the center and 
being uplifted. "On the drill floor 
when we're out there, out in our 
hard hats and so on, looking at 
these cores coming up," the 
researchers were seeing pink 
granite that emerged from about 
6 miles deep in the Earth and 
not the limestone that would 
have been on the surface during 
the Cretaceous Period... Everybody 
staring at it went, 'Wow, there's the 
answer. It's from deep.' "

The researcher was Sean Gulick, 
a geophysicist at the University 
of Texas, Austin. Gulick helped 
lead a team of researchers that 
drilled for samples of that mountain 
ring in the Chicxulub crater off 
the coast of Mexico.


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

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Hi, Rob,

There are several "tons." There's 
the English or "short" Ton, the 
unit of weight in the avoirdupois 
system equal to 2,000 pounds 
(907.18 kg) in the United States 
(the short ton) and 2,240 pounds 
(1,016.05 kg) in Britain (the long 
ton). The metric ton used in most 
other countries is 1,000 kg, which 
is equivalent to 2,204.6 pounds 
avoirdupois. And just in case 
you want to go crazy there are 
other weight system pounds than 
the avoirdupois one.

Biggest Campo is always Number 
Two until they find one bigger 
than Hoba! I just take these 
Argentines word for it that this 
Campo is bigger than the previous 
record-holder, which makes it 
Meteorite Number Two... as reported 
by a Chinese newspaper!

Sterling
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From: Rob Wesel [mailto:nakhla...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:41 AM
To: Sterling K. Webb; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

I have seen this in the news a few times today. Amazing find but I'm
confused.

This new find is 34 tons.

El Chaco weighs in at 37 tons and Hoba has them beat at 66.

I missing a metric conversion in reference to El Chaco?

Referencing the book
The Campo Del Cielo Meteorites, Vol. II, Chaco Guillermo Faivovich and
Nicolas Goldberg
2012
Page 45


Rob Wesel
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<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:52 PM
To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

> List,
>
> A 34-ton iron has been found
> in the Campo del Cielo region
> of Argentina:
> http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776
>
> The meteorite was found on
> Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo,
> 1,085 km north of Buenos Aires,
> Mario Vesconi, president of the
> Astronomy Association of Chaco,
> told the daily newspaper Clarin."
>
> "While we hoped for weights above
> what had been registered, we did
> not expect it to exceed 30 [metric]
> tons," Vesconi noted, adding that
> "the size and weight [about 68,000
> pounds] surprised us."
>
> "The meteorite will be weighed
> again to ensure an accurate
> measurement. The largest
> meteorite ever found is Hoba,
> weighing 66 tons, in Namibia."
>
> See also:
> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovered-
> in-arg
> entina-at-ancient-m/
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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[meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,

A 34-ton iron has been found 
in the Campo del Cielo region 
of Argentina:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776

The meteorite was found on 
Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo, 
1,085 km north of Buenos Aires, 
Mario Vesconi, president of the 
Astronomy Association of Chaco, 
told the daily newspaper Clarin."

"While we hoped for weights above 
what had been registered, we did 
not expect it to exceed 30 [metric] 
tons," Vesconi noted, adding that 
"the size and weight [about 68,000 
pounds] surprised us."

"The meteorite will be weighed 
again to ensure an accurate 
measurement. The largest 
meteorite ever found is Hoba, 
weighing 66 tons, in Namibia."

See also:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovered-in-arg
entina-at-ancient-m/


Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite hit pear on tree:)

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Paul Gessler and List,

Since the late unpleasantness 
between your ancestral Gessler 
and Herr Tell started up around 
1307 A.D., but the Twannberg 
iron was only discovered on 
May 9, 1984 in a barley field 
near Twann, after it had been 
plowed up (that's Twannberg I), 
it seems to me unlikely to be 
the murder weapon! 

Two additional fragments were 
found in an unnatural setting. 
One fragment (II) was found in 
2000 in an attic in Twann and 
another (III) in 2005 in the Naturhistorisches Museum Bern, 
in a collection received from the 
Museum Schwab in Biel where it
had been labeled as a hematite 
around 1930. Twannberg IV, V 
and VI were found in the creek 
Twannbach.

The meteorite is named after 
Twannberg (from the German,  
Twann mountain), a mountain 
that lies north of Twann.

You should take a look at this:
http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/william-tell-switzerland-he
ro.html

The chapel contains paintings 
including one of Wilhelm Tell 
shooting the "tyrant Gessler in 
the hollow way between 
Immensee and Küssnacht."

But the whole thing may be 
(probably is) a myth. "But one 
cannot find any document 
concerning a person named 
Wilhelm Tell nor the report 
of an assassination of a bailiff 
in central Switzerland. Only in 
1470, 160 years or so after 
the alledged events, a chronicle... 
reports the legend for the first 
time."

Herr Tell is a myth.


Sterling K. Webb

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Behalf Of Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:16 PM
To: John Lutzon; Anne Black
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hit pear on tree:)

Wilhelm Tell was a TERRORISTwho assassinated my ancestor with a crossbow
no doubt tipped with a Twannberg iron bolt/arrow true story

Paul Gessler


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Re: [meteorite-list] We Have A Neighbor

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, Paul, List,
 
Not to be overly picky, but it's 
MR. WEBB, not Mrs. Webb...
 
Mr. Sterling Webb 
---
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:48 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] We Have A Neighbor

In "We Have A Neighbor," Mrs. Webb wrote: 
 
"Hi,"We have a neighboring planet
only 4 light years away. It's
small, earth-like, in the
habitable zone of its star,
yada-yada.

Everybody's going crazy...

Me too."

The paper is:

Anglada-Escudé, G., P. J. Amado, J. Barnes, and others, 2016, A
terrestrial planet candidate in a temperate orbit around Proxima
Centauri. Nature. vol. 536, pp. 437–440 (25 August 2016)
doi:10.1038/nature19106
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19106.html

PDF file at
https://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso1629/eso1629a.
pdf

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] We Have A Neghbor

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi,
 
We have a neghboring planet 
only 4 light years away. It's 
small, earthlike, in the 
habitable zone of its star, 
yada-yada.
 
Everybody's going crazy...
 
Me too.
 
We could have a fleet of 
microprobes there (40 
years at 10% of lightspeed) 
before the end of this 
century, no sweat. 10-20 
years to build'em, 40 years 
in transit, four years to 
send the pictures back...
65 years from now.
 
Another wonderful thing 
I'll never live to see...
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/24/490947403/this-planet-just
-outside-our-solar-system-is-potentially-habitable
 
 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/news/a22522/nearest-planet-
proxima-b/
 
 
 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-earth-next-door/#
 
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/scientists-find-earth-like-planet-circli
ng-sun-s-nearest-neighbour/42396458
 
 
Sterling Webb
 
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[meteorite-list] Home World

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,
 
We're all familiar with the 
famous "blue marble" photo 
of the Earth supposedy taken 
by Apollo. (It was actually 
patched together for use as 
a publicity shot.)
 
But, there is (now) a true 
"blue marble" camera that 
photographs the Earth from 
a million miles out, the Earth 
Polychromatic Imaging Camera, 
or EPIC. 
 
There's a large archive of 
photos there to flip through, 
a movie of our endlessly 
fascinating planet.
 
http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
 
I love to watch the home 
world from orbit... and it's 
much cheaper than the ticket 
to orbit.
 
Sterling Webb
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Paul, List,

The earliest references on the 
Marius Hills lava tubes go back 
to 1971-2. See the references in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Then, there was a quiet among 
publications; one in 1992, but 
then after 2000, a flurry of lava 
tube publications, as you can see 
in the bibliography of the above.

A great picture of lunar lava 
tubes at:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Lunar_collapse_pits.jpg

2014 saw a raft of publications 
on Martian lava tubes; see the 
bibliography in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube

Few earlier papers but this great 
photo shows Martian lava tubes:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9220-lava-tubes-snapped-snaking-acros
s-mars/
It was taken by Mars Express in 
2004 but only released this week. 
Yup! That's the ticket --- sit on 
your data... for a decade.

The surface radiation on Mars 
isn't as bad as on the Moon, but 
humans still need protection 
from it, especially if you intend 
to stay on Mars for long.

And last, a remarkable look into 
a lava tube on Earth, seen as a 
Martian analogue, with lots of 
photos:
https://walking-on-red-dust.com/2016/01/19/the-cave/

I'm going to say "remarkable" 
again.

And giving credit, the novelist Kim 
Stanley Robinson set much of the 
second book of his Martian Trilogy, 
"Green Mars," written in 1994, in 
Dorsa Brevia, the dorsae being 
believed to be Martian lava tubes.

Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:19 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts By Nola Taylor Redd,
Space.com http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html

Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on the Moon by Nadia Drake ,
No Place Like Home (Blog)
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spott
ed-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/

Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202

The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava tube in an ancient
volcanic region of the Moon called the Marius Hills. This LROC image is the
highest resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is 500 meters,
pixel width is 0.5 meters, NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State
University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png

Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist on moon, University
of Perdue,
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-h
uge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Dunning-Kruger effect

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List, Paul, 

The opposite of the Dunning-
Kruger Effect is this:

"When the poet Paul Valery 
once asked Albert Einstein if 
he kept a notebook to record 
his ideas, Einstein looked at 
him with mild but genuine 
surprise. "Oh, that's not 
necessary," he replied . "It's 
so seldom I have one."
 ― Bill Bryson, 
A Short History of Nearly Everything 


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:51 AM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Dunning-Kruger effect

The Dunning-Kruger effect is sometimes encountered in discussing meteorites
on this list.

Dunning-Kruger effect
https://goo.gl/J3fcrz and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

Dunning, D., K. Johnson, J. Ehrlinger and J. Kruger, 2003, Why People Fail
to Recognize Their Own Incompetence. Current Directions in Psychological
Science. vol. 12, no. 3, pp. 83-87.
http://cdp.sagepub.com/content/12/3/83.abstract
and https://goo.gl/BEffpS

Kruger, J., and D. Dunning, 1999, Unskilled and unaware of it: how
difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-
assessments. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology vol. 77, no.6, pp.
1121-1134.
https://goo.gl/YWxCIU and https://goo.gl/sJMp8a

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs Orientated

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Rob, 

You bet "desalinization" would 
become one [a word], but the 
world has beaten you to it:

desalinization. (n.d.). The 
American HeritageR New 
Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, 
Third Edition. Retrieved May 09, 
2016 from Dictionary.com: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/desalinization

It's probably too late to stamp
it out...

Sterling
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A related faux pas: desalinization. No such word, but I bet it will become
one so as not to embarrass the media members who like to use it. ;-). --Rob

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My other favorite word that gets used by non-geologists: metamorphosized .
(Do you Brits use that one, by chance?)  I think it fits the rhythym better
in some songs and poems.

Cheers, Pete


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It certainly got everyone thinking ;-)


If you would like? for the sake of keeping the peace and despite the fact us
Brits widely use orientated I will use oriented.

Just to let you know in advance I use some really bizarre words and if it's
in the English dictionary (UK version) I will use it!

I won't shun you for your choice of words so please don't shun me :-) we are
all different.

Best wishes from across the pond

Xxx




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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for an article on Santa Rosa

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The best article I could find was:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2004/pdf/5038.pdf

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Hello all

Not too long ago, within the last year, someone posted an account of Henry
Ward's acquisition of the Santa Rosa Iron.

It went into full detail of his plans to bribe the mayor and have the
meteorite taken down and hauled away during a party where he got the whole
town drunk, followed by the town outcry and nullification of his agreement
with the mayor and being held up in Bogotá where he was finally able to take
a slice and in so doing took more than allowed.

Finding condensed versions of the story but not the full detail version.

Any help appreciated,

Rob Wesel
Nakhla Dog Meteorites

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Re: [meteorite-list] Correction to

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, Paul, List,

> In "The Aliens are Silent Because 
> They are Dead," I wrote [summarizing]:
> "The aliens are silent because they're 
> dead. Life on other planets would 
> probably go extinct soon after its 
> origin, due to runaway heating or 
> cooling on their fledgling planets."

It seems an obvious cultural expression 
of the contemporary obsession with 
climate change for someone to assert 
that climate change would destroy ALL 
life on ALL planets capable of supporting 
it, whether the number of potential life-
supporting planets is dozens, hundreds, 
thousands, or more.

It's like a soap opera --- planets die 
young, they say. We anthropomorphize 
our science. James Lovelock proposed 
the Gaia Hypothesis (planets enter into 
a supportive symbiosis with life). Peter 
Ward proposed the Medea Hypothesis 
(planets try to destroy any life that 
arises on them).

A challenge to this new hypothesis is 
how one could explain the survival of 
life on Earth for billions of years: why 
aren't we dead? And why didn't it happen 
long ago? Are we the only one to survive?

Unlikely. But... where IS everybody?

That question arises from a lunchtime
discussion at Los Alamos in 1943. A 
tableful of the brightest minds in science
agreed that there must be other intelligent 
life in the universe, then Enrico Fermi 
asked. "Well, where IS everybody?" and 
people have been trying to answer that 
question ever since.

Great question.

"If the Universe is Teeming with Aliens, 
Where is Everybody?" by Stephen Webb, 
provides 50 of the proposed answers to 
Fermi's Famous Question since 1943. A 
PDF of this book is available:
http://book4you.org/book/511674/c8066c
The download link is at the bottom of 
that page.

I guess that "climate change" is Answer 
No. 51.

Sterling Webb
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In "The Aliens are Silent Because 
They are Dead," I wrote:

"The aliens are silent because they're 
dead. Life on other planets would 
probably go extinct soon after its 
origin, due to runaway heating or 
cooling on their fledgling planets."

The correct URL for the first link should be:

http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/the-aliens-are-silent-because-they-are-e
xtinct

 >Charles H Lineweaver Publications -
 >http://goo.gl/4PPGuK and http://goo.gl/1H99Rs

The corrected URL for the first link should be:

http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/publications.html
or https://goo.gl/W30KtK

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Meteorite Micro Visions Screensaver

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Hi, MikeG, List

While this is not the specific screensaver 
you're looking for, it is a meteoritically 
themed screensaver and very "impactful" 
and entertaining:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/craters/

After the screensaver pause interval has 
passed, craters start appearing on your 
screen. It was written by John Walker, 
the original programmer of AutoCAD. 
Installation is easy, with instructions 
on that link given above.

I can testify that the 32-bit verion works 
on all MS operating systems up through 
Win7 32-bit (there's also a 16-bit version, 
if you're really living in the past). I quote 
the author: " 'Craters' simulates cratering 
of initially flat terrain, obeying the same 
power-law relating crater size to numbers 
observed on airless solar system bodies."

What better way to protect your monitor's 
phosphor than by smashing rocks into it 
at dozens of kilometres per second?

Sterling Webb

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Meteorite Micro Visions Screensaver

Hi List,

Can someone provide me with a working download link for Tom Phillip's
excellent Windows desktop screensaver?  Every link I can find online is
broken or 404.

I used to have it on my old netbook, but I did not have the file backed up.
It does not appear to be online at Meteorite Times any longer.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Meteorite Micro Visions Screensaver

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, MikeG, List

While this is not the specific screensaver 
you're looking for, it is a meteoritically 
themed screensaver and very "impactful" 
and entertaining:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/craters/

After the screensaver pause interval has 
passed, craters start appearing on your 
screen. It was written by John Walker, 
the original programmer of AutoCAD. 
Installation is easy, with instructions 
on that link given above.

I can testify that the 32-bit verion works 
on all MS operating systems up through
Win7 32-bit (there's also a 16-bit version, 
if you're really living in the past). I quote 
the author: " 'Craters' simulates cratering 
of initially flat terrain, obeying the same 
power-law relating crater size to numbers 
observed on airless solar system bodies."

What better way to protect your monitor's 
phosphor than by smashing rocks into it 
at dozens of kilometres per second?

Sterling Webb

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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:05 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Meteorite Micro Visions Screensaver

Hi List,

Can someone provide me with a working download link for Tom Phillip's
excellent Windows desktop screensaver?  Every link I can find online is
broken or 404.

I used to have it on my old netbook, but I did not have the file backed up.
It does not appear to be online at Meteorite Times any longer.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century Old

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, 

"Alien civilization still on the table"?
Somehow I doubt an advanced alien 
civilization would screw around with 
their own star. They might, if they 
were less than scrupulous, do it to 
somebody else's star. Or maybe they 
have found a way to continously 
extract energy from a nearby unused 
star over many centuries. You could 
call them "star eaters."

Once you pass over purely physical 
causes and move on to alien activity, 
almost anything is possible. There are 
physical explanations (some of them 
pretty exotic) for the behavior. Maybe 
this star swallowed a cloud of small 
black holes which orbit inside of it 
(or pass through it) and are slowly 
"eating" the star.

Since the behaviour has been obseved 
in only ONE star, it's could be very 
exotic (as exotic events are likely to 
be very rare). Now, if you find 
thousands more... that's a problem.

Sterling Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century
Old

Star's bizarre optical antics go back at least a century.
Alien civilization still on the table as data comes out of the archives. by
John Timmer, Ars Technica, Jan. 19, 2016
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/stars-bizarre-optical-antics-go-back-
at-least-a-century/

KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century
>From 1890 To 1989 by Bradley E. Schaefer (Submitted on 13 Jan 2016)
rXiv:1601.03256v1 [astro-ph.SR]  http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Changes in radiants over time

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E.P., List,

Most of this is straight from 
the Wikipedia; it's just the 
basics, but they say it so well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_shower#Radiant_point

Meteor "streams" are dust and 
particles shed by comets and 
strung out along the comet's 
orbit. Some of these orbits 
intersect the Earth's orbit.

Many showers have a radiant 
point that changes position 
during the interval when it 
appears. For example, the 
radiant point for the Delta 
Aurigids drifts by more than 
a degree per night. 

The radiant also moves slightly 
from night to night against the 
background stars (radiant drift) 
due to the Earth moving in its 
orbit around the sun. 

The gravitational pull of the 
planets determines where the 
dust trail would pass by Earth 
orbit, but the same gravitational 
effects perturbs the trails. Over 
longer periods of time, the dust 
trails can evolve in complicated 
ways.

Both gravitational influences 
and radiation pressure disperse 
the meteoroids and creates much
broader streams.

The Taurids are particularly 
complex in their radiant changes:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/seri/JIMO./0033//041.000.html

Over the very long term, meteor 
streams precess just as the planets 
do. The precession of the meteoroid 
stream orbit caused by planetary 
perturbations will also alter the 
date on which a shower occurs. 
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-stonehenge/predic
ting_meteor_showers.htm

An interesting piece by Duncan 
Steel on the association of Earth-
crossing asteroids with meteoroid 
streams:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00671497#page-1

Sterling Webb
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HI all - 

This author, Bard Marsden, is claiming that the radiant of the Taurid Meteor
Stream has drifted over the millenia:

https://sites.google.com/site/fromthedeepoceanabove/

Based on the mythological evidence he has assembled, this may be likely, but
what would be the mechanics involved?

E.P. 
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[meteorite-list] Hit by a mneteorite lately?

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List:
 
Moody Jacobs shows a giant bruise 
on the side his patient, Ann Hodges, 
after she became the only person in 
history to have been struck by a 
meteorite:
http://dailylifestyle.com/rare-never-seen-historical-photos/45/
 
Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] Hit by a meteorite lately?

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, Andre, List,

There are a number of cases
documented of individuals
being struck by meteorites,
going back centuries. A fellow
in Sweden lost an arm to one!

John S. Lewis' Rain of Iron
and Ice (1996) has a long
section listing hundreds of
such cases.

In the Uganda case, the
meteorite bounced off, not
leaves, but the trunks of
several trees before it struck
the boy.

Lucky boy.

Mrs. Hodges was inside her
house in an padded armchair
when the meteorite battered
its way through chimney, roof,
attic, ceiling, and several walls
before lodging in the side of her
chair. She was NOT directly
struck, which is very fortunate
for her

A meteorite that stagnates 
and free-falls is usually going
200-300 mph when it reaches
the ground. If it doesn't stagnate,
it's going even faster. This is
according to Norton's book.

If you see one coming, put on
your hard hat.


Sterling Webb
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I seem to recall a teenager in Uganda got hit by a 3gr. piece of the Mbale
meteorite circa 1993 without any ill effect since the piece had been slowed
by several leaves of a banana tree.

Andre Bordeleau

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List:

Moody Jacobs shows a giant bruise
on the side his patient, Ann Hodges,
after she became the only person in
history to have been struck by a
meteorite:
http://dailylifestyle.com/rare-never-seen-historical-photos/45/

Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars to have its own neighborhood meteorite7-Eleven

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Shawn, List,

I believe the first 7-11 in space 
will be found on the minor planet 
1254870 Exxon-Mobil.

Sterling Webb
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meteorite7-Eleven

Hello Listers

I wonder if the first 711 will sell Ensisheims
:)

Enjoy

Shawn Alan
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How Asteroids Could Fuel 'Gas Stations' In Outer Space

Preparing a mission for outer space is a little bit like getting ready to go
camping. 

If you don't pack enough provisions for the whole trip, it's going to be
tough to make it back home.

But geologist Leslie Gertsch is hoping to change all that. She's starting a
lab at Missouri University of Science and Technology this summer that will
test space rocks for gases-if she finds enough gas, there could be a future
for rocket gas stations in space.

If you can stop at a gas station, a gas asteroid, it would make [space
travel] more efficient, Gertsch says. You wouldn't have to carry all your
fuel.

What's the magic gas ingredient inside the space rocks?

Gertsch will have to bake the meteorites to find out exactly what kinds of
gases they give off, and how much, but research suggests some of the rocks
have as much as 22 percent water in them, and gases like carbon dioxide,
sulfur

source:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/hilarybrueck/2015/07/31/how-meteorites-could-fue
l-a-gas-station-in-outer-space/
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[meteorite-list] Pluto Flyover Movie TinyURL

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,

Pluto flyover movie animation is
in this article, but resists giving up
a separate URL. 

Here's the TinyURL:
http://tinyurl.com/p3kfy7q

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] Pluto Flyover Movie

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,

Pluto flyover movie animation is 
in this article, but resists giving up 
a separate URL:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/17/pluto_and_charon_more_c
lose_ups.html

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] The Fix Is In

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Gary, Rob, List,
 
Thanks to the link-fixers. 
Blessed are they because they 
save us all from cut'n'paste...
 
Sterling

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[meteorite-list] Houston, We Have GEOLOGY!

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Dear List,
 
Behold, the First Closeup Pictures
From the Pluto Flyby Are Here
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/behold-first-closeup-pictures-p
luto-flyby-are-here-180955934/#RCIFFlhitGcKgUWc.99

Color Intensification images
of Pluto and Charon:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-will-new-horizons-probe-g
o-after-pluto-180955929/
 
Pluto as interesting as a billiard
ball, you say? Well, it appears to
have GEOLOGY, mountains 11,000
feel tall, smooth plains with old
submerged craters in them, folded
ridges, and valleys, a rille or two,
in a word, geology, possibly orogeny. 
And if orogeny comes to mind, can
tectonics be far behind?
http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/48/bc/48bceaa5-b57a-483d-9518-
6ce07688a73d/nh-plutosurface.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg
 
Charon has a trench or chasm that's
reminiscent of the Valles Marinaris
on Mars, and a dark polar cap that's
already unofficially named... MORDOR.
http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/cb/ff/cbff2e54-0660-44c3-9bf8-
d167d4e88637/nh-charon.jpg
 
All these images are from:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-will-new-horizons-probe-g
o-after-pluto-180955929/
 
And, on a humorous note, Neil Da
Grass Tyson, a well-known hit-man
for the Eight-Planet Syndicate Mob,
is unimpressed by Pluto. He says it's 
because Pluto crosses the orbit of
Neptune for 20 years out of its 248
year orbit. 

Of course, this is not true, due to 
their differences in orbital inclination 
--- at no point do they intersect. 
Interestingly enough, that is also 
not one of those IAU criteria he 
promoted the acceptance of. But 
it's funny:
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/tyson-colbert-pluto/
 
Because of the differences in their
inclination and the 3:2 resonance
they are in, the actual closest Pluto 
and Neptune can possibly approach 
is 17.7 AU, or 1,645,317,790 miles 
(more or less).
 
The closest Pluto comes to Neptune
is about the same as the closest Earth
ever comes to Uranus. Does that mean
Uranus isn't a planet either? 
http://www.quora.com/Will-Neptune-and-Pluto-ever-collide-in-their-orbits

Or that the Earth isn't one?

Puzzling, isn't it?


Sterling Webb


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[meteorite-list] Granitic Conntinental Crust on Mars

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Dear List, 
 
Curiosity rover finds evidence of 
Mars' primitive [granitic] continental 
crust:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150714142051.htm
 
The first discovery of a potential 
continental crust on Mars. Now, 
I'm trying to calculate the speed 
with which a Martian Granite 
Meteorite can reach eBay.
 
Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Changes In 14C and Impacts

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Paul, Ed, List,

The village is actually named Kitscoty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitscoty 

Kitscoty is named after a village in
Kent (U.K.) with a famous stone
megalithic structure, so while Googling 
for a Kitscoty Structure you have to 
distinguish which Kitscoty and what 
kind of structure is meant.
http://albertacommunityprofiles.com/Profile/Kitscoty/2

The structure referred to is a proposed 
rebound plateau of an impact south of 
Kitscoty, Alberta, Canada:
http://www.meridianbooster.com/2009/03/18/did-a-massive-meteor-touch-down-he
re

I don't know (and am not going to Google 
myself to death finding out), but I recall 
that Hudson Bay and the Canadian 
Shield is very old crust, at least 2.0 to 
2.5 billion years old. 

It is bound to have evidence of a great 
many impacts in that long time span, 
but most, of ancient age. Plus, the 
Canadian Shield has been scoured by 
every ice age for billions of years, over 
and over and over again. Only evidences 
that can survive that will be found.

With typical human short-sightedness,
most theories of any explanation of a
feature in Northern Canada are always
referred to the last Ice Age, which is 
only the last few million years, while 
the Shield is immensely more ancient 
and has been exposed for BILLIONS of 
years.

Northern Canada contains a great
many craters; see:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Earth_Images_09.html#Steen

I can suggest another very ancient crater:
the south-southeastern coast of Hudson
Bay, above James Bay is a portion of
a perfect circle and it has a nice cluster 
of islands at the geometric center of 
that circle like the remnants of central 
peaks. I've always thought that it could 
be what's left of a very, very  ancient
 astrobleme. See map at:
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/hudsonbay.htm

It's very suggestive. But evidence? I
know of none.

Sterling Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Changes In 14C and Impacts

Hi Paul - 

Thanks for the link to that paper.

I am looking forward to your comments on the Kiscoty structure.

My guess is that the depth of the ice sheet may be estimated from the height
of the rebound, but I am incapable of performing detailed calculations from
any formula you may know of.

My working assumption is that nearly all of the energy released from the
initial blast went into different processes which  melted the ice sheet -
such as the infra-red,  the boiling water returning to Earth, the hot impact
dust returning, etc.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

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Re: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel tolife on Mars theories

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Bob, List,

The table may be set, but the diners 
are not in evidence. Early Mars may 
have had any amount of methane, but 
the analysis of Martian rocks (in the 
form of Martian meteorites), shows a 
rough equality of the Carbon-13 isotope 
with the Carbon-12 isotope.

Life has a preferential appetite for 
Carbon-12. It will be depleted if Life has 
been munching on or in the Martian 
subsurface (or surface).

The enigmatic possible life fossils in 
Martian meteorites (the only Martian 
rocks we know) also show a rough 
equality of Carbon-13 with Carbon-12 
in them.

IF (which I doubt) they are the signs of 
Martian life, that Life is not the same 
as life-as-we-know-it. All Earthly fossils, 
of whatever age, show a preferential 
depletion of Carbon-12.

I find the idea of a carbon-based life 
with a preference for a different isotope 
even more unlikely, chemically unlikely.
Particularly only one planet away. Two 
entirely different schemes of life?

So, I have to give up on the idea of any 
Martian life, from microbes to thoats.
Shame. Thoats are neat... And microbes 
have potential. 

Speaking as an ex-microbe.


Sterling Webb
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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 6:10 PM
To: Meteorite Central; Shawn Alan
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel
tolife on Mars theories

Here is a link to the actual abstract/paper:  

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150616/ncomms8399/full/ncomms8399.html 

Evidence for methane in Martian meteorites - by
 Nigel J. F. Blamey,
 John Parnell,  
 Sean McMahon,  
 Darren F. Mark,
 Tim Tomkinson, 
 Martin Lee,
 Jared Shivak,  
 Matthew R. M. Izawa,   
 Neil R. Banerjee   
  Roberta L. Flemming

ABSTRACT: 
The putative occurrence of methane in the Martian atmosphere has had a
major influence on the exploration of Mars, especially by the implication of
active biology. The occurrence has not been borne out by measurements of
atmosphere by the MSL rover Curiosity but, as on Earth, methane on Mars is
most likely in the subsurface of the crust. Serpentinization of
olivine-bearing rocks, to yield hydrogen that may further react with
carbon-bearing species, has been widely invoked as a source of methane on
Mars, but this possibility has not hitherto been tested. Here we show that
some Martian meteorites, representing basic igneous rocks, liberate a
methane-rich volatile component on crushing. The occurrence of methane in
Martian rock samples adds strong weight to models whereby any life on Mars
is/was likely to be resident in a subsurface habitat, where methane could be
a source of energy and carbon for microbial activity. 

In other words, the subsurface of Mars is like a dining table with all of
the necessary settings and the food ready and waiting.   
Another title for this post could read as, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?

Enjoy the read,
Bob V. 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2010/mar10.htm 


On Thu, 6/18/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel to life
on Mars theories
 To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015, 3:22 PM
 
 Hello Listers
 
 I think the question is when will life be detected, I have a  hunch and
think there was life on Mars in the past, it comes down to  proof :)
 
 Enjoy
  Shawn Alan

 
 CTVNews.ca Staff
 Published Thursday, June 18, 2015 10:48AM EDT  
 
 A team of Canadian, Scottish and U.S. researchers says they  have
discovered traces of methane in meteorites from Mars --  a possible clue in
the search for life on the Red Planet.
 
 The researchers examined samples from six Martian meteorites  that had
fallen to Earth. The team crushed the rocks and then  analyzed the gases
that emerged using a mass spectrometer.
 
 The meteorites were found to contain gases similar to the  composition of
the Martian atmosphere; they also contained methane.
 
 LINK:
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/methane-detected-in-meteorites-adds-fuel-to-l
ife-on-mars-theories-1.2428568
 
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Philae Comet Lander Awakes from Hibernation

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, List,

Someone should get started on 
a children's book, to be entitled:
The Little Lander That Could

Sterling Webb

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Behalf Of Paul H. via Meteorite-list
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 8:23 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Philae Comet Lander Awakes from Hibernation

Rosetta mission: Philae comet lander 'ready for operations' after first
contact in 7 months The Independent, June 14, 2015
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/rosetta-mission-philae-comet-lande
r-wakes-and-contacts-earth-10318822.html

Philae Comet Lander Awakes from Hibernation European Space Agency, June 14,
2015
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Rosetta_s_lander_Phi
lae_wakes_up_from_hibernation

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

You are severely underpricing your 
punctuation. Really good comma's 
are worth at least two bucks a pair. A 
proper semi-colon should be $1.00 to 
$1.50. You should work up a detailed 
price list...

Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 1:02 PM
To: Peter Richards
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Farmer
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific
or Educational Institutions...

I was trying to be genuinely helpful.  And now I am reminded why I do not
reply to these kind of inquiries.  The messenger always gets shot.
I tried in good faith to be helpful to you and you start launching
accusations.  The rest of your replies are too incomprehensible or paranoid
to warrant a reply.

This is my last reply on this matter.  Any further replies will cost you $20
per sentence with punctuation being an extra .25 cents per period or comma.
Payment in advance only.




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On 6/7/15, Peter Richards pedricha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only 
 you but many professional meteoricists have your hardline, barely 
 logical, if so, preconceived, paper form reply, when, of course, it 
 is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites 
 did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included 
 the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that 
 scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the 
 possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous 
 statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the 
 behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what 
 you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are 
 leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a 
 muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some 
 emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the 
 rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and 
 maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, 
 but, I have already written this and the send button is in sight, so 
 do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you 
 are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, 
 and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past infidelities
 is my attempt to protect my own.
 cordially,
 Peter
 P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and 
 would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it 
 to stay that way?

 On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks 
 meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Peter,

 It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs
 that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites.   I do not see any
 fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish.  Desert 
 varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites.

 Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both 
 low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of 
 possibilities.  If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a 
 meteorite.  If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the 
 range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite.

 You will find that most accredited institutions that work with 
 meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer 
 volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis.

 My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help 
 rule in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or
terrestrial.
 If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of 
 them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks.

 Best regards,

 MikeG

 PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is granite 
 then it is not a meteorite.

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 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any 
 representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is 
 a granite, and the photos may not tell the 

Re: [meteorite-list] New, 124 miles in Diameter, Lunar Crater Discovered

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Mark, List,

Other aviators have lunar craters
named after them, noteably Charles
Lindberg, John Henry Tower, and
V. V. Bondarenko, the last because
he also lost his life in the business,
as did Earhart.

You said:
 Earhart was, at best, a mediocre
 aviator whose notariety resulted... 
 from an energetic (often shameless)
 promotional effort... 

Every aviator of that day was heavily,
often shamelessly, promoted. Air
records were the Space Program of
that day and ballyhoo was deemed
essential for the real goal, which was
to promote aviation. Her publisher
husband was good at it. So?

But I doubt any mediocre flyer could
have posted this list of records:

Woman's world altitude record: 
14,000 ft (1922)

First woman to fly the Atlantic
Ocean (1928)

Speed records for 100 km (and
with 500 lb (230 kg) cargo) (1931)

First woman to fly an autogyro (1931)

Altitude record for autogyros: 
18,415 ft (1931 --- The current
autogyro record is only 26,407 feet.)

First person to cross the U.S.A. 
in an autogyro (1932)

First woman to fly the Atlantic
solo (1932)

First person to fly the Atlantic
twice (1932)

First woman to receive the
Distinguished Flying Cross (1932)

First woman to fly nonstop,
coast-to-coast across the U.S. (1933)

Woman's speed transcontinental
record (1933)

First person to fly solo between
Honolulu, Hawaii and Oakland,
California (1935)

First person to fly solo from Los
Angeles, California to Mexico City,
Mexico (1935)

First person to fly solo nonstop from
Mexico City, Mexico to Newark, New
Jersey (1935)

Speed record for east-to-west flight
from Oakland, California to Honolulu,
Hawaii (1937)

First person to fly solo from the Red
Sea to Karachi (1937)

The records that impress me most are
actually the autogyro records. Yeah, I
really want to take one of those gooney 
things to over 18,000 feet...

Note how many of these records are
for the first person, male or female, 
to accomplish that goal?

Of course, it's a self-serving move by
Purdue. All universities promote
themselves through the achievements
of their graduates, whether the school
had anything to do with it or not.

Sorry, but I just think you're dead
wrong about the mediocre part.

Sterling Webb
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Behalf Of Mark Langenfeld via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Paul H.
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New, 124 miles in Diameter, Lunar Crater
Discovered

Kind of a self-serving move by Purdue.  Earhart was, at best, a mediocre
aviator whose notariety resulted more than anything else from an energetic
(often shameless) promotional effort captained by her husband -- George
Putnam.  Whether she merits this honor on the basis of such manipulated fame
is certainly a matter of debate.

Mark

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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:33:52 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New, 124 miles in Diameter, Lunar Crater
Discovered

New lunar crater named after aviation pioneer Earhart by Paul Rincon, BBC
News, March 17. 2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31917302

Hidden Moon Crater Named After Amelia Earhart by Ian O,Neill, Discovery,
March 17, 2015
http://news.discovery.com/space/hidden-moon-crater-named-after-amelia-earhar
t-150317.htm

Why did researchers decide to name enormous moon crater after Amelia
Earhart? by Andrew McDonald, The Space Reporter, March 17, 2015
http://thespacereporter.com/2015/03/why-did-researchers-decide-to-name-enorm
ous-moon-crater-after-amelia-earhart/

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] F.A. Paneth - Radioactive Decay Processes and theAge of Meteorites

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Guys,

Paneth is writing this in 1928 
because that is when George Gamov 
worked out the quantum mechanics 
of radioactive decay, particularly 
of the uranium and thorium series.
Paneth is merely appreciating the 
possibilitie.

There are dating possibilities 
because, while all the radioactive 
decay serieses end in good old 
long-lived lead, lead has several
isotopes (same atomic number; 
different atomic weights caused 
by hitch-hiking neutrons).

This is called lead-lead dating. 
However, measuring the exact 
abundances of lead atoms by 
isotope is tricky. You need to 
measure very long-lived elements 
if you're going date something as 
old as the Earth, but the longer 
the half-life of an element is, the 
more difficult it is to measure!

This was first done by geochemist 
C. C. Patterson (and George Tilton).
Cleverly, he measured the lead-
lead ratios in meteorites AND in 
ocean bottom sediment (which 
would contain a samples of lead 
eroded out of all the Earth's 
surface for hundreds of millions 
of years.

Bingo! Both extraterrestrial lead 
ages and terrestrial lead ages were 
essentially the same for the formation 
date of the solar system and the Earth:  
4.55 +/- 0.070  10^9 years.

Here's his 1956 paper:
http://www.colorado.edu/geolsci/courses/GEOL5700-9/pdf/Fall07/Patterson.pdf

Measuring both values answered 
Paneth's question: In our present 
state of ignorance of how they were 
formed, we must admit the possibility 
that there may be meteorites 
substantially older than the oldest 
strata on Earth...

Jumping all the way back to George 
Gamov... He was not only a great 
physicist, but a very good popular 
science writer. A Russian, he managed 
to wiggle out of the Soviet Union and 
come to the U.S. only a little behind 
Einstein wiggling out of Germany 
(both in 1933).

In the 1930's, Gamov worked out the 
basics of neucleosynthesis in stars. 
In 1940, he wrote a book, The Birth 
and Death of the Sun on the process 
of element creation in an early hot 
universe and the evolution of stars. 
Today, this is called The Big Bang 
Theory, although he never called it 
that. But he's it's Father of the Big 
Bang..

In 1952, Gamov was re-printed as a 
early news-stand paperback book 
(paperback books were a brand-new 
thing then), and I still have my 
63-year-old copy bought with my 
school lunch money. 

I'd buy two milks and save the rest 
of the lunch money for books, the 
same way I bought Arthur C. Clarke's 
first book Interplanetary Flight that 
same year. It was much more slimming, 
as it was a hard-bound book and had to 
be paid for in advance because it would 
have to be imported by boat from far-away 
England. (This is how to be a complete 
geek yet not get fat.)

In Gamov, writing in 1940, I learned 
(because measuring the half-life of lead 
isotopes was so hard, hence imprecise) 
that the crust of the Earth was 1.6 
billion years old and that the planet 
and the solar system could not be 
much more than 2 billion years old.

By 1955, when Life magazine published 
their famous The World We Live In 
book (still worth looking over, BTW), 
they described the dating of the age of 
the Earth and Sun as never less than 
2 billion and never more than four or 
five billion years. I guess the long 
half-lives of the lead isotopes was in 
the wind or they'd heard about C. C. 
Patterson's as-yet unpublished work.

He published the next year, and in 
the 60 years since, there has been no 
contradictory evidence found for that 
dating. Geochemists can get a good 
fight going by suggesting shifting the 
date by 10 or 20 million years.

Evidence converges on Patterson date:
the Earth's oldest rock, the tiny Jack 
Hills zircon is 4.404 +/- 0.008 x 10^9 
years old. And the lunar sample, the 
Genesis Rock, dates to 4.460 x 10^9 
years.
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/April04/lunarAnorthosites.html

Evidence from two worlds...

Sterling Webb
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Hi Rick and List,

Our knowledge of meteorites has changed a great deal since 1928.  :)

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos: See Five Fireballs That Lit Up ColoradoSkies March 11

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Shawn, List,

 PS was this a fall?

Not until you (or somebody)
picks up a rock from it in their
hand.

Then it's a fall...

Sterling
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:38 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos: See Five Fireballs That Lit Up
ColoradoSkies March 11

Hello Listers 

Enjoy

PS was this a fall?

Shawn Alan
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Photos: See Five Fireballs That Lit Up Colorado Skies

Early on March 11, many Denverites saw a ball of fire streak across the sky.
Subsequent reports suggested that the object was probably an earth-grazer
meteorite - and this kind of thing actually happens fairly often in the
state.

Evidence aplenty can be found at Cloudbait.com, the fascinating website for
Cloudbait Observatory in Guffey, Colorado. 


The landing page devoted to fireballs documents dozens of such incidents
over the past decade and a half.

Count down the five most recent sightings shared by Cloudbait prior to the
latest one, featuring photos, maps and excerpts from each listing's text.
(For even more information, click here.) That's followed by a 7News report
about last week's fireball. 

Source: 
http://www.westword.com/news/photos-see-five-fireballs-that-lit-up-colorado-
skies-6602765
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[meteorite-list] Life on Titan?

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List,
 
Possible mechanism for cellular 
life on Saturn's (and the solar 
system's) largest moon, Titan, 
is suggested:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-02/cu-la022715.php
 
In more molecular detail:
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/1/e1400067
 
But, like everything on Titan, 
too cold to shake hands with...
 
Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] UK Scientists: Aliens May Have Sent Space Seeds ToCreate Life On Earth

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Shawn, List,

This stuff:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/aliens-send-space-seed-to-earth_n_6
608582.html
is just more of the same old Wickramasinghe nonsense, like the red rain of
Kerala State (India), which was nothing but bat blood in rain water, and the
more recent Diatoms from Outer Space claim. 

Just as we learned that Dr. Wickramasinghe could not recognize red blood
cells, we have now learned that he cannot recognize IDP's. Metallic
spherules are common and not an example of panspermia. Oh, and yes,
particles with a weak melt crust and a gooey center are a common type.

All we learn from this press release is that Dr. Wickramasinghe has moved
from the University of Wales in Cardiff to the University of Buckingham in
England. This serves the valuable function of informing  you whose
astrobiology press releases to ignore.

Sterling Webb
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:10 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] UK Scientists: Aliens May Have Sent Space Seeds
ToCreate Life On Earth

Hello Listers
I am an ALIEN :)
ENJOY

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UK Scientists: Aliens May Have Sent Space Seeds To Create Life On Earth


Scientists in the U.K. have examined a tiny metal circular object, and are
suggesting it might be a micro-organism deliberately sent by
extraterrestrials to create life on Earth.

Don't be fooled by the size of the object in the microscopic image above. It
may appear to look like a planet-sized globe, but in fact, it's no bigger
than the width of a human hair.

The University of Buckingham reports that the minuscule metal globe was
discovered by astrobiologist Milton Wainwright and a team of researchers who
examined dust and minute matter gathered by a high-flying balloon in Earth's
stratosphere.

It is a ball about the width of a human hair, which has filamentous life on
the outside and a gooey biological material oozing from its centre,
Wainwright said, according to Express.co.uk. 

One theory is it was sent to Earth by some unknown civilization in order to
continue seeding the planet with life, Wainwright hypothesizes.

That theory comes from a Nobel Prize winner.

This seeming piece of science fiction -- called 'directed panspermia'
-- would probably not be taken seriously by any scientist were it not for
the fact that it was very seriously suggested by the Nobel Prize winner of
DNA fame, Francis Crick, said Wainwright.

Panspermia is a theory that suggests life spreads across the known physical
universe, hitchhiking on comets or meteorites.

The idea of directed panspermia was suggested by Crick, a molecular
biologist, who was the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA in 1953.
Twenty years later, Crick co-wrote -- with biochemist Leslie Orgel -- a
scientific paper about directed panspermia.

The abstract of their manuscript states:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/aliens-send-space-seed-to-earth_n_6
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs were Not wiped out by a global firestorm??

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List,

Somehow I doubt a laboratory barbeque 
is a good test of a global hypothesis. 
I'm sure if I could tinker with their 
fire-starter aparatus I could get it to 
ignite a mass of live branches just 
fine. I do it in my back yard with 
a butane pocket lighter every fall.

I bet the experiment was fun, though.

But the soot argument goes back a 
way. The lead author of the cited 
study, Claire Belcher, published 
several earlier papers suggesting 
that the soot was all transported 
from the impact site rather than 
being formed locally from fire in 
the sky frying the planet.

This article gives a good review of 
both sides of the issue:
http://www.geotimes.org/aug08/article.html?id=nn_carbon.html

First, worth bearing in mind is that 
EVERY suficiently large impact has 
produced world-spanning soot layers:

A Systematic Study of the Correlations 
Between Meteorite Impacts and Soot 
Formation
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/28327177_A_Systematic_Study_of_the_C
orrelations_Between_Meteorite_Impacts_and_Soot_Formation
A really excellent study, worth the read.

More (and recent) studies:

CU study provides new evidence 
ancient asteroid caused global 
firestorm on Earth
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2013/03/27/cu-study-provides-new-evide
nce-ancient-asteroid-caused-global-firestorm#sthash.DvCOzUCZ.dpuf

The Survivors! New Theories About 
the Chicxulub Asteroid Impact 65 
Million Years Ago:
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/07/the-survivors-new-theories-abou
t-the-chicxulub-asteroid-impact-65-million-years-ago.html

The Rock That Changed The World:
http://www.esi.utexas.edu/outreach/ols/lectures/ppts/54.pdf

This next study pooh-pooh's the 
soot, but keeps the fire. Personally, 
I would rather have a little soot 
fall on me than be exposed to a 
red-hot 2700-degree sky... given 
the choice.

K-Pg extinction: Reevaluation of 
the heat-fire hypothesis
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrg.20018/abstract
They say, However, global firestorms 
are consistent with both data and 
physical modeling.

Worth noting is that massive impacts 
are not the only possible source of 
global wildfires. At oxygen concentrations 
of 24% or more (the present concentration 
is 20%), global wildfires will break 
out spontaneously. 

This level of oxygen concentration has 
been exceeded at various eras in the 
past: 

Since the start of the Cambrian period, 
[the] atmospheric oxygen concentrations 
have fluctuated between 15% and a 
maximum of 35% of atmospheric volume 
towards the end of the Carboniferous 
period (about 300 million years ago)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_history_of_oxygen

I can't help noting that a researcher 
in cold, wet Exeter doubts the fires and 
American researchers in our hot, dry South-
west find them much easier to believe...

Sterling Webb
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:39 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs were Not wiped out by a global
firestorm??

Dinosaurs were Not wiped out by a global firestorm Jonathan O'Callaghan,
Daily Mail, January 22, 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2921547/Dinosaurs-NOT-wiped-g
lobal-firestorm-Asteroid-impact-not-hot-ignite-nearby-plants-study-claims.ht
ml

Doubt cast on global firestorm generated by dino-killing asteroid
(Pioneering new research has debunked the theory that the asteroid that is
thought to have led to the extinction of dinosaurs also caused vast global
firestorms that ravaged planet Earth.) University of Exeter.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-01/uoe-dco011915.php


Belcher, C. M., R. M. Hadden, G. Rein, J. V. Morgan, N. Artemieva, and T.
Goldin, 2015, An experimental assessment of the ignition of forest fuels by
the thermal pulse generated by the Cretaceous-Palaeogene impact at
Chicxulub. Journal of the Geological Society, First published on January 22,
2015, doi:10.1144/jgs2014-082
http://jgs.geoscienceworld.org/content/early/2015/01/19/jgs2014-082.abstract
http://jgs.geoscienceworld.org/content/early/2015/01/19/jgs2014-082.full.pdf
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Yours,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Mars Life?

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List, 

New study on signs of (ancient?) life 
on Mars about to be published. Advance 
description at:
http://www.space.com/28194-mars-rover-curiosity-photos-ancient-life.html?

Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Eight Billion 'Dark Asteroids' May Lurk in OortCloud

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Ron, List,

 Don't fear, though: The team estimates 
 that a planet-killing collision with 
 such an object might happen only once 
 every billion years or so.

I've got a well-known quote for you...

 You've gotta ask yourself one question: 
 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Eight Billion 'Dark Asteroids' May Lurk in
OortCloud

http://news.sciencemag.org/space/2014/12/eight-billion-dark-asteroids-may-lu
rk-oort-cloud

Eight billion 'dark asteroids' may lurk in Oort cloud By Sid Perkins Science
Magazine
4 December 2014 

Our solar system's asteroid belt, which lies between Mars and Jupiter, may
contain a few hundred thousand objects. But much farther away, in regions
long presumed to be the realm of comets and other icy bodies, there could be
billions of rocky orbs circling the sun, a new study suggests.
 
Researchers used computer programs to simulate the fate of objects circling
our young sun once its planetary disk was largely cleared of gas and dust. 
Gravitational interactions with planets over the subsequent 4.5 billion
years caused some objects to crash into the sun and others to be flung out
of the solar system altogether. But many of the objects were cast into exile
in the Oort cloud, a spherical haze of objects that stretches far beyond
Neptune and a good fraction of the way toward our nearest stellar neighbors.
(The image above depicts the Oort cloud as compared with the solar system
and the much nearer Kuiper belt of objects.) Of those deportees, about 4%
came from within about 375 million kilometers of the sun, rendering them
rock- or metal-rich bodies like asteroids rather than icy orbs like comets,
the researchers report online ahead of print in the Monthly Notices of the
Royal Astronomical Society. Previous observations suggest that the Oort
cloud contains about 200 billion comets, the researchers note. 

If that's correct, the new results suggest that those comets are accompanied
by about 8 billion asteroids. If one of those objects ever fell toward
Earth, it would be tougher to spot than a comet (being much darker) and more
difficult to divert than the typical near-Earth asteroid (as it would be
traveling much faster). Don't fear, though: The team estimates that a
planet-killing collision with such an object might happen only once every
billion years or so.
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Re: [meteorite-list] MASSSIVE Russian Event Asteroid? 14NOV2014

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Ben, List,

There may be a confusion in some 
reports. There is a city named 
Sverdlovsk in eastern Ukraine (now 
held by the separatists) but also 
a Sverdlovsk Oblast (or federal 
district) far to the east in 
Russia (ocated on the eastern slopes 
of the Middle and North Urals and 
the Western Siberian Plain):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_Oblast
This where this event took place.

The city of Sverdlovsk there is now 
called Ekaterinburg. It was the home 
town of Boris Yeltsin, I believe.

Sterling Webb

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:26 AM
To: Sterling K. Webb
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MASSSIVE Russian Event Asteroid? 14NOV2014

Hi Stirling, 
   There was a similar event that took place in the Ukraine in the same
24 hour period.  I have seen the video, and there is a pulse of light before
the main event, just as the event in Russia.

 Best Regards,  Ben Fisler, Phoenix

Sent from my iPhone

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 Marcin, List
 
 The Sverdlovsk region is quite isolated and dense with weapon 
 development centers of all kinds. In 1979, a germ warfare agent, 
 aerosolized anthrax spores, escaped from a laboratory where they were 
 being manufactured in weaponized form and killed an uncertain number 
 of people (~100?).
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/sverdlovsk/
 and
 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ussr-anthrax-outbreak-still-a-mystery/
 
 A local news site suggests there's an old chemical plant outside the 
 nearby town of Rezh, the explosion of which would be consistent with 
 this phenomenon, and one local on the forum of Astronomy.ru wrote 
 there were also reports of the military setting off ammunition.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/meteor-ufo-flash-over-russia-ma
y-have-earthly-origin-n251081
 
 Maybe they had to sterilize something?
 In any case, it's very unlikely this was a natural celestial event, 
 I'm afraid.
 
 Sterling Webb
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 14NOV2014
 
 Hi
 We all like to have Chellyabinsk x10 ofcourse but my first feeling was 
 nuclear explosion. Also there seems to be fog or dense clouds so the 
 whole flash will be false.
 But yes, this could be just big explosion in factory.
 
 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
 
 
 
 
 I think some kind of explosion, aircraft or chemical plant. Meteor 
 would be faster and move. This was something else I think.
 
 
 Michael Farmer
 
 On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 List,
 What ever it was you will not want to miss these videos!
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/11/russia-super-bolide
 -
 asteroid-strike.html
 
 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] MASSSIVE Russian Event Asteroid? 14NOV2014

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Marcin, List

The Sverdlovsk region is quite isolated 
and dense with weapon development centers 
of all kinds. In 1979, a germ warfare 
agent, aerosolized anthrax spores, escaped 
from a laboratory where they were being 
manufactured in weaponized form and killed 
an uncertain number of people (~100?).
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/sverdlovsk/
and 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ussr-anthrax-outbreak-still-a-mystery/

A local news site suggests there's an 
old chemical plant outside the nearby 
town of Rezh, the explosion of which 
would be consistent with this phenomenon, 
and one local on the forum of Astronomy.ru 
wrote there were also reports of the 
military setting off ammunition.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/meteor-ufo-flash-over-russia-ma
y-have-earthly-origin-n251081

Maybe they had to sterilize something?
In any case, it's very unlikely this was 
a natural celestial event, I'm afraid.

Sterling Webb
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Hi
We all like to have Chellyabinsk x10 ofcourse but my first feeling was
nuclear explosion. Also there seems to be fog or dense clouds so the whole
flash will be false.
But yes, this could be just big explosion in factory.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]




I think some kind of explosion, aircraft or chemical plant. Meteor 
would be faster and move. This was something else I think.


 Michael Farmer

 On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 List,
 What ever it was you will not want to miss these videos!
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/11/russia-super-bolide-
 asteroid-strike.html

 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] Sudbury --- Comet Impact?

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List,

A new study concludes that the 
Sudbury, Ontario, basin is an 
ancient impact crater caused by 
an icy-snowball model comet 1.85 
billion years ago:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/sudbury-basin-comet-impact-crater_n
_6168408.html
This is advance publicity; the study 
won't be published until February, 
2015.

A better description this study 
can be found here:
https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/comet-the-likely-cause-of-ancient-cr
ater/5117?srcfeed=newshomesrcview=ghp#.VGwfAWcrizc

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] New Meteoritic Evidence

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List,

Evidence of very early solar system 
magnetic fields found in chondrules 
of Semarkona:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meteorite-bears-evidence-of-magnet
ic-fields-in-early-solar-system/

Though widely believed, this is the 
first actual proof of the existence 
of these magnetic fields in the very 
earliest formation of the solar system.

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] Where'd All This Water Come From?

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List,

The Earth was wet from the beginning...
http://www.space.com/27603-solar-system-water-evidence-for-earth.html
...the meteorites did it.

Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto

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List,

The argument about Pluto The Planet 
or Pluto The Small Body continues:
http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/12524/20141002/pluto-planet-again-sta
tus-2014-still-undecided-astronomy-debate-ongoing.htm

The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for 
Astrophysics said in a press release 
that a dwarf fruit tree is still a 
small fruit tree, and a dwarf hamster 
is still a small hamster. In order to 
convince others that Pluto is a planet 
again, the center held a debate Sept. 18 
to figure out the pros and cons. They let 
the audience vote, and the audience 
agreed, therefore for them 'Pluto IS 
a planet again.'

Some quarrels never end...

Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto

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Larry,

And a dwarf star is still a small 
star (whatever that means). 

This Dwarf-Star-thing is probly why 
our planetary system Doan Get No 
Respect and the Aliens never visit 
us... except in certain regions of 
The Internet.

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Behalf Of Larry Lebofsky via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:45 AM
To: Sterling K. Webb
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto

And the Sun is a dwarf star, Sterling.

Larry
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 List,

 The argument about Pluto The Planet
 or Pluto The Small Body continues:
 http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/12524/20141002/pluto-planet-aga
 in-sta tus-2014-still-undecided-astronomy-debate-ongoing.htm

 The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
 Astrophysics said in a press release
 that a dwarf fruit tree is still a
 small fruit tree, and a dwarf hamster
 is still a small hamster. In order to convince others that Pluto is a 
 planet again, the center held a debate Sept. 18 to figure out the pros 
 and cons. They let the audience vote, and the audience agreed, 
 therefore for them 'Pluto IS a planet again.'

 Some quarrels never end...

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

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Marco, List,

That's the best explanation for this 
crater that I've heard so far. When I 
posted about it, I didn't realize that 
Dirk Ross hadn't found any observations 
of fireballs, etc., or I'd have been as 
suspicious then as I am now...

All I can contribute now is the 1947 
hit song of the same name as the town:
http://www.songlyrics.com/guy-lombardo/managua-nicaragua-lyrics/

Sterling Webb

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Behalf Of Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 2:01 AM
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It is well known that arms caches were hidden in Nicaragua during the fight
between Sandinista's and Contra's in the 80-ies. In 1993, one of these
exploded in Managua. Maybe something like that happened again.

Marco
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

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Kevin, List,

It looks a great deal like the Carancas 
crater, although it's a little smaller, 
about 80% of its size. The test would be: 
are there meteorites scattered about?

Good photo (official Army photo) found 
here:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/rare-meteorite-impact-causes-blast-in-nicaraguas
-capital-managua-20140908-10dsqo.html
and
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/09/07/meteorite-strikes-nicaragua/15
262973/
and some film from Russia:
https://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=entab=wnar=1410130829

They are sweeping with metal detectors, 
but only on the well-worn pathway, not 
in the grass!

More photos here:
http://news.yahoo.com/meteorite-smashes-nicaraguan-capital-230034550.html;_y
lt=AwrSyCUf6AxUNwYAZ5fQtDMD

Sterling Webb
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:47 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

Team Meteorite:

There appears a photo of an alleged meteorite crater in the news just a few
moments ago.

It's being well-guarded by armed Sandinista's.

Does anyone beside Nica jefe Daniel Ortega think this looks like a met
crater?

http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/09/07/meteorite-smashes-into-nicaraguan-capita
l

Kevin Kichinka
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Global Meteorite Price Report - 2015 out in late December mars...@gmail.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

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Steiner, List,

I agree that it is silly to associate 
this tiny impact with 2014RC or any 
fragment or co-travelling object 
associated with it. I didn't say that, 
the comment was ascribed in the article 
to Nicaraguan authorities, who, it 
should be said, know nothing about 
meteorites. Not saying that to insult 
them; it is simply the case.

2014RC passed beneath the plane of the 
Earth's orbit:
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2014+RCorb=1
That alone makes any connection unlikely.

Unlike Carancas, which was a near-vertical
impact (70 to 80 degrees), this appears 
to have been an impact from a lower angle, 
perhaps 30-40 degrees or so. The crater 
appears not to be perfectly circular but 
to have a pushed-up back wall and to be 
slightly eccentric (in the one photo).

 We should wait for more evidence...

Actually, ANY evidence of an impacting 
body is missing so far, other than the 
likelihood that there must have been 
one. If it had been an artillery shell 
or bomb there would be metal fragments, 
of course, but there doesn't seem to be.

Sterling Webb
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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Steinar Midtskogen via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:53 AM
To: Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

Without ruling out that this is indeed a meteorite impact, I take the near
miss of asteroid 2014 RC rather as an argument against than for.
Given the news exposure that the asteroid has had, early investigators might
have jumped to conclusions.  We should wait for more evidence.

The impact seems to have taken place about 13 hours before the closest
approach.  That places it half a million km away or so.  The link seems to
be a stretch.

-Steinar

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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com writes:

 Kevin, List,

 It looks a great deal like the Carancas crater, although it's a little 
 smaller, about 80% of its size. The test would be:
 are there meteorites scattered about?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

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John, List,

Here are photos showing the landers 
and even footprint traces on the Moon:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1218958/Probe-photos-Apollo-l
anding-sites-reveal-man-DID-walk-Moon.html

24 photos here:
http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html
Lots of walking tracks and even a 
phone line are seen!

Suveyor 3 was visited by the crew of 
Apollo 12:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program
No holes are in evidence. Meteorite 
impacts are not more frequent on the 
Moon than they are on the Earth.

Here's a video:
http://www.space.com/10040-ep-3-survey-trip-surveyor-3.html

No ground-based telescope can see any 
of the landers, not even the Hubble can.
The smallest possible thing Hubble can 
see on the moon is about 328 feet across 
or the length of a football field. While 
an impressive feat of resolution, no Apollo 
spacecraft comes anywhere near that size. 
Every piece of man-made hardware is below 
the space telescope's resolution limit.

No, no hardware is a meteorite. They are 
all constructed by the Amazing Flying 
Monkeys of Planet Three!

Sterling Webb
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:25 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

Hello Everyone,

As some of you may know, i've recently suffered from some minor dain bramage
and major physical damage--but I still remain to ask my often unimportant
questions...
However, in this case, I pose some questions that were asked to me to which
I had no answers. Thus, I figured to ask the knowledgable one's--You folks

1. Is there any evidence/photo's of meteorite impacts to the lunar 
   landing crafts that were left on the surface after our brief visits ?
   Also, are ground based telescopes capable of seeing these
   crafts ?

2. Can our lunar landing craft's be considered meteorites 
(in the sense of the definition) ?

Many thanks, John
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[meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Fall Each Year?

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Dear Anne, Al, List,

A long post on the question of
how many meteorites fall each
year was posted to The Meteorite
List back in the year 2000. It
can be found at:
http://archive.today/Yx4Fc

From that post, you can follow
the thread forward and backward
if you want to read all the
discussion. There was quite a
bit of discussion, as I recall.

It gives the figures from the
Canadian MORP study and other
sources, as well as discussing
methods of calculating the fall
rate.

Sterling Webb

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CDT 02AUG2014

Hi Anne and all,

There are many scientifically calculated fall rates. Most assume meteorites
that have landed are 100 grams or larger as those are deemed more findable.
A Canadian study estimated some 21,000 falls per year. 
We loose 3/4 in the oceans, leaving some 6,000 to land on dry land. 
Many of those land in remote areas away from the notice of people. 
Higher populations usually result in the notice of more falls. Light
pollution probably reduces that number some.

Of all the falls, only 0.1% or about 5 to 6 falls per year are actually
collected. The 1933 year was an excellent year for recovery of falls. 
17 meteorites of the potential fall total were recovered!

According to this Canadian study we are really no better at recovery of
falls than we were in the past. Even though meteorite falls are better
understood than in the past. It is important to keep this in mind as there
are many unlocated falls all over the world.


Source for some of this information:
Canadian fireball rates and meteorite falls - declining returns by Martin
Beech Campion College, The University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan,
Canada


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



Quoting Anne Black via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:

 I am curious.
 It is practically everyday that a fireball is spotted somewhere around 
 the globe, but..

 -  How many of those fireballs are real fireballs, not plane, 
 fireworks, lighting,... etc?
 -  How many of those real ones burn up in the atmosphere?
 -  How many make it to the ground and produce meteorites?
 -  And finally how many of those are ever found soon enough to be 
 called Falls?

 Is anyone keeping track of those numbers?
 The percentage meteorites  fireballs would be interesting.


 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Newly discovered meteorite could explain boominglife on Earth

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Hi,

Here's the LiveScience article:
http://www.livescience.com/46563-new-meteorite-type-fossil-ordovician.html
Geochemically, the meteorite falls 
into a class called the primitive 
achondrites, and most resembles a 
rare group of achondrites called the 
winonaites. But small differences 
in certain elements in its chromite 
grains set the mysterious object 
apart from the winonaites...

Sterling Webb


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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 6:44 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Newly discovered meteorite could explain
boominglife on Earth

Hello Listers

Think this might spark some interest in some of you :) Enjoy

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com 




Researchers in Sweden have found a new class of meteorite. And according
to LiveScience, that discovery — published in Earth and Planetary
Science Letters — may be the missing link in the asteroid crash that
sparked the diversification of life on Earth nearly 500 million years
ago.

The meteorite in question was found in a quarry located just west of
Stockholm. Finding meteorites there isn’t all that surprising, given
that more than 100 have been dug up in the past 20 years. But previous
finds were all of the common L-chondrite variety, a class of meteorite
that started raining down on Earth 470 million years ago when a small
asteroid crashed into a much larger one made up of these L-chondrites.
That crash, scientists say, caused a meteor shower that resulted in just
the right amount of destruction to drive animals and plants to diversify
and form new species. But the specifics of that crash have always been
shrouded in mystery, because the composition of the first, smaller
asteroid is unknown. That’s why the new meteorite discovery is so
important: scientists think it’s a fragment of the “asteroid
destroyer” that triggered an explosion of species diversification on
Earth.

David Harper, a geologist at Durham University who did not participate
in the study, told New Scientist that “the team may at last have
identified the impactor responsible for the break-up of the parent body
of the L-chondrite meteorites.”

But that finding will need to be validated, because some scientists
aren’t even sure it belongs to a new class of meteorite yet. Timothy
Swindle, a meteorite expert at the University of Arizona, told
LiveScience that he thinks scientists might still be able to link it to
known classes of meteorite — despite the compositional differences
that set it apart from previous finds. “I think it’s entirely
plausible [that it's a new kind of meteorite], and it’s a great study,
but that’s not a guarantee they’ve got it right,” Swindle said.
“But if they didn’t, it’s because of new things we’ll find out
in future work, not because of their analysis.”

The new meteorite hasn’t been named yet, but it might end up being
called “Österplana,” after a nearby church. In the meantime,
however, researchers are choosing to call it the “mysterious object”
— and given the questions that continue to surround it, that interim
name seems appropriate.


Source:
http://euroasianews.com/newly-discovered-meteorite-could-explain-booming-lif
e-on-earth/


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Re: [meteorite-list] Membership disabled?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

I too received a membership disabled 
due to excessive bounces message about 
half an hour ago. But my email address 
is an sbcglonal.net address (part of ATT).
That seems to make the excessive bounces 
hard to understand unless they're having 
Yahoo or one of the others handle their 
email for them.

I'm writing this chiefly to see if I get 
a copy back, and I'll bet lots of other
MetListers are doing the same about now.

Sterling K. Webb
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of William
Bagwell
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:01 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membership disabled?

On Thursday 01 May 2014, tracy latimer wrote:
 Has anyone else received a notice about meteorite list membership 
 being disabled due to excessive bounces?  This seems weird to me...

This is happening on many mailing lists. From a list which deals in mailing
list software.
When a @yahoo.com or @aol.com user posts something, @yahoo.com, @aol.com,
@netscape.net, @hotmail.com and @live.com users get bounces and eventually
get their subscriptions disabled.

Exactly why is complicated and off topic here... The list owner (and the
curious) may want to read the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/ggARAQ

Feel free to relay this info to any other lists that are having these same
problems.

William
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Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

You can get to that paper (Gladman on 
Mercurian ejecta) at the following URL:

Mercurian ejecta:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.4038

Gladman is also the author of a similar 
study on Martian and Lunar ejecta:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1996LPI27..421G

Sterling Webb
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Alan Rubin
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:27 AM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net; 'Jim Wooddell'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

This refers to modeling, not actual observations.  Gladman and Coffey (2009)
MPS 44, 285-291 calculated that Mercury ejecta could achieve independent
orbits and re-accrete to Mercury after several million years.

Alan Rubin
Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California
3845 Slichter Hall
603 Charles Young Dr. E
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567

office phone: 310-825-3202
fax: 310-206-3051
e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu
website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html

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cdtuc...@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:37 AM
To: Alan Rubin; 'Jim Wooddell'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

Alan, You said;
Interestingly, some studies have
concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in
independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury.
How did our probes reveal enough data to reach such a conclusion? 
Thanks,
Carl
Meteoritemax
 
--
Love  Life

 Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: 
 The more general question is how we would distinguish a terrestrial 
 meteorite found on Earth 9as opposed to one found in the lunar regolith).
 Unless it was an observed fall, the rock would have to have a fusion 
 crust for us to notice it in the first place.  It would have been 
 exposed to cosmic rays (gauged by measuring its cosmogenic nuclides) 
 and it should have the isotopic compositions of terrestrial rocks.
 Presumably, the rock would have been extensively shocked or completely 
 melted for it to have been launched off the Earth to begin with.
 Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of 
 Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits 
 before
accreting once again with Mercury.
 
 Alan Rubin
 Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California
 3845 Slichter Hall
 603 Charles Young Dr. E
 Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567
 
 office phone: 310-825-3202
 fax: 310-206-3051
 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu
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 Wooddell
 Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:53 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite
 
 So, let's say there is one.a chunk of hematite.
 
 What tests could be performed to 1.  Prove it was in Space.  2. 
 Originally from Earth.  ???
 Radionuclide?
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 --
 Jim Wooddell
 jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
 http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 5,000+ Year Old Egyptian Iron Meteorite Beads

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

Meteoritic iron has been idendified as 
the material of some small Egyptian relics 
since the 1800's. The oldest is 9 beads 
from two graves in Gerzah (3500 BC):
http://www.gizapyramid.com/meteorite.htm

King Tut had'em. He also had tektite 
(Libyan Desert Glass) jewelry.

Sterling Webb
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To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] 5,000+ Year Old Egyptian Iron Meteorite Beads

An interesting discovery:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0820/Out-of-this-world-Ancient-Egyptia
ns-wore-meteorite-jewelry


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum 

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[meteorite-list] K-T Impact

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

A producer of radio shows which are often 
heard on various NPR stations, Radiolab.org, 
has toured a live stage show presentation on 
the K-T extinction. I heard it by accident 
and was entertained and informed (that's the 
whole idea, isn't it?).

It has interviews with Jay Melosh and other 
impact scientists (recorded and integrated 
into the live presentation). I recommend it 
if impact extinction is your thing. Luckily,
there's a YouTube: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYoqtBEzuiQfeature=player_embedded

(Isn't there a YouTube of everything?)

The show is called, appropriately enough,
Apocalyptical. The above link is to just 
that portion that deals with the impact and 
the Dinopocalypse, but all portions and 
smaller selections can be linked to from 
this page:
http://www.radiolab.org/live/

After all, there aren't too many stage 
shows based on the K-T impact and dino 
extinction!

They (or rather their recorded scientist 
guests) attribute the K-T impactor to the 
breakup of the Baptistina Family, but recent 
(2011) studies based on WISE (Wide-field 
Infrared Survey Explorer) data claim to 
blow the Baptistina theory out of the water 
(so to speak) or out of the sky or whatever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptistina_family
As a result of the WISE science team's 
investigation, the demise of the dinosaurs 
remains in the cold case files...

The apparently as-yet-unpublished 2008 paper, 
New Constraints on the Asteroid 298 Baptistina, 
the Alleged Family Member of the K/T Impactor,
by Daniel J. Majaess, David Higgins, Larry A. 
Molnar, Melissa J. Haegert, David J. Lane, 
David G. Turner, and Inga Nielsen can be 
found at:
http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/0811.0171v1.pdf

A more popular explanation of the ruling out 
of the Baptistina Family can be found at:
http://www.universetoday.com/89050/did-asteroid-baptistina-kill-the-dinosaur
s-think-other-wise/#more-89050

But the stage-show YouTube is definitely 
worth watching. Catch it.

Sterling Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite collection of East London Museum in South Africa stolen

[Sterling K. Webb]

Fred,

It would be a Gibeon from Namibia. Keetmanshoop 
is one of the farms where it's been found.
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1967SA
OSR.238.Cdb_key=ASTpage_ind=0data_type=GIFtype=SCREEN_VIEWclassic=Y
ES

Keetmanshoop is a 168 kg iron, was on display 
in the local high school. Dimensions, fall 
date, discovery date, and discoverer are 
unknown. The Smithsonian got 622 gm. of it.
Went to the East London Museum.

It is the largest of the meteorites stolen 
from the East London Museum in South Africa 
on March 26-27, 2014.
http://www.dispatch.co.za/news/organised-thieves-steal-museums-space-rocks/

It's a hot rock...


Sterling Webb
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Does anyone know anything about a Keetmanshoop iron? It is not listed in
the Met Bull. Does it have another name?

Regards, Fred Hall





 Dear Listees and Karmaka

 Thanks for this rather depressing news. I am fearful for the security 
 and safety of collections in South African museums. This is not a 
 story I haven't heard before involving other museums. I hope the 
 perpetrators are caught, but I fear they will  not. This can only 
 serve to encourage other to do the same - unfortunately this also 
 means curators and other museum workers.

 Cheers

 Peter Davidson
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 Meteorite collection of East London Museum in South Africa stolen

 http://www.dispatch.co.za/news/organised-thieves-steal-museums-space-r
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 http://www.ecr.co.za/post/valuable-east-london-museum-items-stolen/

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Re: [meteorite-list] First photos of a cut meteorite from the JinjuFall on 9 March

[Sterling K. Webb]

Shawn, List,

Phosphorus sesquisulfide and/or additional 
elemental sulfur creates the smell of old-
fashioned stick matches.

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Subject: [meteorite-list] First photos of a cut meteorite from the JinjuFall
on 9 March

Hello Listers

The meteorite looks like an Enstatite the looks like Eagle meteorite. Has
anyone noticed that some Enstatites have a slight smell of match sticks. I
have Pillistfer meteorite fragments and when I always open the container, I
get this matches smell. Do other people on the list notice that as well?

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen(Siberia, Russsia)

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

Bingo, a pingo!

Of course, none of the pingoes I can
find pictures of have the exact peculiar 
shape of the Patomskiy crater. But they 
do have similar but varied shapes, of 
which this could easily be one more 
variation.

No evidence of any kind of meteoritic 
impact. This is a formation produced 
by slow pushing, not instantaneous 
impact. All the rocks in evidence in 
the photos are broken by cold physical 
forces. No evidence of heat; it's not 
vulcanism; it's not impact.

That leaves the pingo-theory. From the 
raw look of the feature, I would say it 
was young compared to other pingoes.

A few hours ago, I'd never heard of a 
pingo, and now they seem to be everywhere. 
At least, everywhere on the internet.

There are pingoes on the seafloor:
http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2007/paull-plfs.html

More pingoes here:
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/01/the-pingos-of-tuktoyaktuk.html

And here:
http://www.arctic.uoguelph.ca/cpe/environments/land/features/freeze-thaw/pin
goes.htm

And here:
http://www.pwnhc.ca/inuvialuit/placenames/ibyukwhat.html

Everybody likes to take pingo pictures:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kpetaine/visuals/album/NLand/Pingo/

http://www.geo.uu.nl/fg/berendsen/pictures/photography/alaska/Pingo.jpg

http://toheroa-jim.blogspot.com/2010/03/from-asphalt-to-permafrost-blisters.
html

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/collapsed-pingo-science-source.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wyojones/galleries/72157623260224291

Steps in the cycle:
http://www.fws.gov/alaska/nwr/arctic/permcycl.htm

World's largest pingo?
http://www.bubblews.com/news/1173173-what-is-the-world039s-largest-pingo

As for the unique cone-in-a-crater shape, 
that could be explained by the growth of 
a first large pingo crater-mound with a 
collapsed crest (of which there are many examples), followed by a period of 
quiescence. 

Then, the pingo pump mechanism started up 
again on a smaller scale and pushed up the 
central mound inside the larger pingo, 
with the result we see today. In other
words, a cyclical pingo. It could be driven 
by climatic cycles (on the century-length 
scale). With an age of about 500 years, 
there's been time for a few on-off cycles.


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever
Seen(Siberia, Russsia)

A really strange landform has made the news in Russia and now has appeared
in the Mail Online. Articles with pictures and rather weird speculation
about meteorites and all sorts of other processes that might have created
it.

What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'? 
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists baffled by Sarah Griffids,
Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-
continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteori
te-strike-nuclear-blast.html

Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate Baklitskaya, The
Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-cra
ter

This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that I have ever seen.
Some of the various theories that have been proposed for its origins are
mentioned in:

Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

I would be interested in what the people on this list think about what might
have created this pile of rock? 

Does anyone know what is being said about it among Russian geologists and
geomorphologists?

Whatever, it is, it is quite young. 

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] R: friction or ram pressure?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, all,

 the hot air heats the front 
 surface of the meteoroid...

That's where the complexity is hiding. 
The rammed air jacket is hotter the 
deeper you get into it. The layer closest 
to the meteoroid is the hottest, achieving 
the plasma state and temperatures --- 
30,000F to 50,000F.

Plasma does not heat anything much by 
contact. Instead, plasma at those 
temperatures transfer heat by radiation. 
The rammed air layers ahead are converted 
to plasma by radiation until all but the 
outermost layer of the jacket is plasma. 
The technical term for this jacket is the 
meteor head.

On the inner side of the meteor head, the 
plasma transfers heat to the meteoroid, 
by radiation. The spectrum of 30,000F plasma 
runs from long radio waves to soft x-rays. 
(You can Google up how to listen to meteors 
by radio.)

It's the other end of the spectrum that 
has the most powerful effect on meteoroid
rock. Soft x-rays can boil rock 10,000 
times faster than your microwave can 
overcook a chicken pot pie.

Areas of lower boiling point get excavated 
faster, forming regmaglypts. Regmaglypts are 
also caused by the irregularities in the 
meteoroid's shape which affect the meteor 
head's shape. Between the plasma and the 
rock face there is little heat transferred 
by conduction. Radiative transfer is the 
predominant mechanism.

Rock plasma and atmospheric plasma mix 
as the plasma escapes by moving from the 
center of the meteoroid face back 90 
degrees to the point where it can be shed 
into the trail, combining as the plasma 
cools to the point where atoms CAN combine 
into meteoritic dust. They can be seen 
as areas of the trail just behind the 
meteoroid described as burning.

There is little physical contact between 
the meteoroid and the plasma in our usual 
sense; hot as it is, it's not very dense 
by Earthly standards, just more dense than 
the atmosphere at 60 miles altitude. But, 
it's just 5 or 10 times hotter than the 
surface of the Sun. That does the trick 
very nicely. Friction is not really an 
adequate term for the heating mechanism.

Assuming a generally spherical shape for 
the meteoroid, to travel back half the 
meteoroid's diameter to reach the point 
where the tail detaches it must traverse 
a distance of 0.78 the meteoroid's diameter, 
hence, there must be a radial plasma wind 
accelerating across the face of the meteoroid 
to a velocity 57% greater than that of the 
meteoroid itself. We assume this is 
responsible for the flow lines.

Here's some more (technical) information 
for those more fascinated. First, an 
excellent general summary of radar studies 
of meteor heads and trails here:
http://www.cas.uio.no/Publications/Seminar/Convergence_Dyrud.pdf

More technical treatments here:
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/4/817/2004/acp-4-817-2004.pdf
and here:
http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public/PubFullText/RTO/MP/RTO-MP-IST-056/MP-IST-056-
12.pdf
and then there's this tome (seriously; 
it's a book!):
http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1177context=etd

A lot of this stuff is hotly debated. How 
many tons of meteors are delivered to Earth 
every year? They're fighting over that. How 
many meteors a year? Fighting. And so on.

Enjoy.


Sterling K. Webb


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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] R: friction or ram pressure?

Thanks for your kind answer!
So we can say:
meteoroids dimensions:
 ~1cm friction
~1cm ram pressure

But I have still a question... how the ablation process works on the bigger
meteoroids?
The ram pressure heats the air, the hot air heats the front surface of the
meteoroid to the fusion/sublimation temperature, right?
But is the collisional process that create oriented shape, ragmaglipts, flow
line ... or what else process??

Thanks

x
Francesco

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Oggetto: Re: [meteorite-list] friction or ram pressure?

Your understanding is broadly correct, although I don't think friction 
is quite the right word to describe the heating process for particles
smaller than about a centimeter. The mechanism of heating depends on the
particle size and on the mean free path of atmospheric molecules (and
therefore on height). For centimeter scale particles, most of the heating is
the result of creating a compressed gas zone along the leading edge. For
millimeter scale particles the heating involves collisional processes. Not
surprisingly, there's an intermediate range where both processes are
operating.

Chris

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Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's

[Sterling K. Webb]

Thumperianism:

The character Thumper first appears in the film
Bambi, watching as Bambi is first presented as
the young prince to the creatures of the forest.
He remarks that Bambi is kinda wobbly but is
reproved by his mother who makes him repeat
what his father had impressed upon him that
morning, If you can't say something nice, don't
say nothing at all. This moral is now known by
such names as the Thumperian principle,
Thumper's rule or Thumper's law.

Quote from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumper_%28Bambi%29


Sterling K. Webb

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To friend and foe alike,
Besides the response from Mr. Mulgrew to my request, a number of you 
responded in the manner I was expecting, the result being I was 
successful at acquiring a few meteorites. It's that simple, I just 
wanted to get some meteorites, not invite a superfluous debate. 
Apparently a lot of people understood exactly what I intended for 
every single one of you that chose to send images, somehow you all 
managed to send nothing but images of exactly what I was looking for. 
So to those of you who responded accordingly and without the need to 
read anything more into my simple request, thank you very much, it was 
a pleasure to do business with you. This may come as a surprise after 
all I've said, but I do admit to having overreacted to Mr. Mulgrew's 
response, I amit I could just as easily have been diplomatic in 
expressing my dislike, I could also have chose to say nothing at all, 
so I do apologize for that not only to Mr. Mulgrew specifically, but 
also to everyone else on the list for was
ting their time with my unnecessary rant. I also want to give credit 
where credit is due, Mr. Mulgrew didn't respond to my rant, he could 
have retaliated, but he didn't, and I can applaud that.

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Re: [meteorite-list] 1922 Blackstone VA 20-ton meteorite anyone?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Dirk, List,

This meteor fall is discussed in The great meteor
of May 11, 1922 by C. P. Olivier in Popular Astronomy,
Vol. 33, p.502. It can be found in:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1925PA.33..502O

It refers to sensational notices that appeared in the
daily papers during the next few days. Meraning, the
usual lies that newspaper conventionally use to sell
papers. In the 1920's I mean. They never do that today.

Do they?

Interestingly, most of the dozens of references to a
20-ton meteorite falling there are in the websites of
NEWSPAPERS, who obviously research the news
through older newspapers...


Sterling K. Webb

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Dear List,

Seeing the Today in History headlines in several US newspapers, does 
anyone have any information about the-
1922 _ 12 MAY: A 20.3-tonne/20-ton meteorite lands in a field near 
Blackstone, Virginia, leaving a 46 sq m/500 sq ft hole in the ground.

http://popcornpot.com/hughspen/chroast1.htm

?


I have done some digging, but no library to dig. I have found that a 
large meteor was seen over North Carolina and Virginia on 11MAY1922 with 
reports of broken windows and earthquake.


http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/05/in-history-virginia-meteor-22may1922.html


Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography

[Sterling K. Webb]

Greg, List,


the megapixel capability is something I should consider...


On the question of choosing a digital interchangeable
lens camera, the comparison that comes to mind is with
film cameras. 35mm film (which most would consider
the standard for comparison) is roughly the equivalent
of 14+ megapixels, so if you want a digital as good as
the best 35mm camera, 16mp is the minimum you
should aim for.

The sensors in digital cameras are not as large as a
frame of 35mm film. The largest (and most expensive)
digital sensors are about the APS film size. (APS is
the Advanced Photo System introduced by Kodak just
as film was dying for good.) It's 2/3rds the size of a
35mm frame.

Nikon DX, Pentax and Sony use an APS-C sensor of
23.6mm x 15.7mm. Canon uses a smaller 22.2mm
x 14.8mm APS-C sensor and a larger APS-H sensor
that's 28.7mm x 19mm (with a good-sized price jump
between them; you won't have any trouble telling
them apart). Both Nikon and Canon (and Sony and
Samsung) have brought out cameras with 20 to 24
megapixels (and larger sensors).

And, paradoxically, once you start, you will end up
spending far more on lenses than you do on cameras.
The last system camera I bought was chosen for
value, but I now have nine lenses for it, most of which
cost more than the camera, and I am even now
counting up my pennies for the next lens... (It may
be a disease.)

Enjoy your jump into the Money Pit.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography


Hello All,

I am starting to look for a DSLR camera for studio photography of
meteorites, minerals and similar. I figured the best source for opinions
would be here so anyone with experience in this I would appreciate your
suggestions. I am looking for something that has the best quality for 
price
but want to consider all possibilities regardless of cost so I can 
improve
my images. I will also like suggestions on different lens options to go 
from
macro to ??mm so I can get microscopic depth along with stand back and 
photo

a large meteorite if needed without changing lenses. As I read a little
today, the megapixel capability is something I should consider.

Thank you in advance on whatever info and suggestions you can provide!

Best Regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal

[Sterling K. Webb]

Dear List,

The claim of physical recovery is getting wide attention
with astronomical websites and (probably will in) publications.
Zlobin collected the stones in 1988, but never bothered
to look at them until now...

Dr. Zlobin's earlier paper on Tunguska states he is an
Expert to Federal Agency of Physical Training and Sport,
Moscow. That paper (undated) can be found at:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CDAQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.104.2490%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdfei=qEiDUci1DY3C4AOgz4DIBAusg=AFQjCNH5vjYxI7Tq1M-okA42HsMY-zLXDQsig2=vetSHOQ-JlPNpf99gFJC-gbvm=bv.45960087,d.eWU
It is... creative. It's a comet theory.

Here's his resume (in English):
http://www.orc.ru/~azorcord/page_sob.htm

There is a YouTube of him singing and playing the guitar
when he was a studen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ipfQAEcZM


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska 
meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal




Aloha Everyone,

A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF format is 
available for free download from the Cornell University Library.  I 
can't say I agree with calling it the discovery of meteorites--I 
think impact glass would be a better description, but it's an 
interesting read nonetheless.  Shatter cones are also discussed.


The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library page with 
a one paragraph abstract of the article.  To download the entire 
paper, click the download PDF Only link on the upper right of the 
web page.


http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070



Aloha,

Matthew

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[meteorite-list] The Sound of Chelyabinsk

[Sterling K. Webb]

Dear List,


From ten hours of infrasound detected in Georgia:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130503105033.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
the sound of the passage of the meteor can be re-constructed.

You can hear it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ey5zc6TOo


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Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (MiningAsteroids for Platinum)

[Sterling K. Webb]

Mark, List,

Mining The Sky, by John S. Lewis,
can be purchased from:
http://www.amazon.com/Mining-The-Sky-Asteroids-Planets/dp/0201328194
or
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/mining-the-sky-john-s-lewis/983588
or try your public library.


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(MiningAsteroids for Platinum)



The 2010 stat is not cumulative. It's the total platinum mine production 
just for 2010.



Platinum is just the tip of the Iceber asteroid. There are even 
greater amount of other metals contained in that 30m asteroid. The 
question is if they can stay in business when prices are depressed. If 
so they would drive many terrestrial mines out of business (which would 
help prices recover somewhat).


And if low cost of metals can be sustained, the metals can be used in 
far more applications and would make a lot of new technology possible. A 
huge benefit for all people, no matter their socioeconomic level.


Dr. Lewis at the U of AZ has done a lot of interesting work on space 
mining if people want to learn more.




From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights 
(Mining Asteroids for Platinum)


The problem is that supply and demand must equalize. I would think that 
the arrival of more platinum that has ever been mined would instantly 
depress the price on the open market.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:56 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


All in due time. It will be mind numbing to the nth degree when 
profits are made. The potential for fees and regulation are as 
limitless as the greed based hallucinations that currently strip us of 
our ability, our will, to produce on an entrepreneurial level no 
matter how basic.





From: mikest...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:23:19 -0700
To: mars...@gmail.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights 
(Mining Asteroids for Platinum)


Just wait until you see the BLM permitting process to establish a
mining claim on an asteroid...

Michael is so. Cal.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Team Meteorite:

When Ron Baalke forwarded today a news article about mining 
asteroids
for platinum, I at once thought of science-fiction movies I have 
seen

from behind a box of artificially-buttered popcorn.

You know, those flicks where slaves from Earth work 84 year-days far
beneath the surface of some bare rock-moon in space partnered with
creatures normally viewed among the protozoa. Of course there is no
possible escape from this living death, but movies need happy 
endings

so our heroes always make it home to their Honey. Mining asteroids
seems a bit far-fetched to me.

But ask a question or make a comment on the m-list and someone opens
the door to knowledge for you. Just walk through.

Thanks to Randy Korotev, I know that OC's may contain Pt at 
ore-grade

concentrates of 1ppm.

But really, how concentrated is that I wondered, ever the sceptic. 
Two
seconds research informed me that Platinum is an extremely rare 
metal,

occurring at a concentration of only 0.005 ppm in the Earth's crust.

Looking deeper into the topic (research is like mining, just keep
digging and you'll always find your bone) ...

Platinum exists in higher abundances on the Moon and in meteorites.
Correspondingly, platinum is found in slightly higher abundances at
sites of bolide impact on the Earth that are associated with 
resulting

post-impact volcanism, and can be mined economically; the Sudbury
Basin is one such example.

And...

From 1889 to 1960, the meter was defined as the length of a
platinum-iridium (90:10) alloy bar, known as the International
Prototype Meter bar. The previous bar was made of platinum in 1799.
The International Prototype Kilogram remains defined by a cylinder 
of

the same platinum-iridium alloy made in 1879.

Those two paragraphs were uncovered from 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum


Sterling Webb's ever astute comments and links gave me leads and 
info

so that with a little follow-up I've also learned -

- the total mass of all asteroids equals about 4% of our Moon's 
mass.

(I had always thought the sum was equal to a 'broken' or 'aborted'
planet the size of Mars or larger).

- C-type asteroids are carbonaceous and the most common. Consisting 
of
clay and silicate rocks they exist furthest from the Sun in the 
outer
Belt and are the least altered by heat

Re: [meteorite-list] Friday Thoughts

[Sterling K. Webb]

Kevin, List,

A 500 meter asteroid would weigh about 144 million
tons. In rock generally (Earth's crust) platinum makes
up about 1/1,000,000 of 1%. There would be about
1.5 tons of platinum, or 1500 kilos, or 1,500,000 grams,
worth about $2,250,000,000. More or less.

All you have to do is pick through it one atom at a
time and drop all the platinum atoms into a baggie...
You'll need about 3,000 baggies for your asteroid's
platinum.

And a pair of atomic tweezers.

However, Planetary Resources is welcome to drop
one of their platinum wiffleballs in my back yard
any time.

http://www.economist.com/node/21553419
The platimun value of Earth rock wouldn't pay the
mission cost, much less the cost of its own extraction.
But it is beieved that asteroids are much richer in these
materials than the Earth's crust. The current theory
is that asteroids brought these materials to Earth but
that they followed the iron down into the core during
formation, leaving only traces behind.

The highest meteoritic abundances are found in the
metal-rich phases of chondrites and in iron meteorites.
Abundances are similar to iridium. (Remember the
iridium marker zone 65 million years ago?)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-space-asteroid-mining-idUSBRE83N06U20120424
Planetary Resources... said a 30-meter long (98-foot)
asteroid can hold as much as $25 billion to $50 billion
worth of platinum at today's prices, [co-founder]
Diamandis said.

The abundance of platinum may be as much as 900
times more than earth's crustal rocks. That would make
our 500 meter example (above) worth 2 TRILLION
in platinum.

Here's another interesting reference on asteroidal
platinum:
http://www.astronomysource.com/tag/platinum-from-asteroids/



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Friday Thoughts



Team Meteorite:

Ron Baalke just posted a news article regarding 'mining asteroids'.
Here's a quote:

Platinum-group metals, or PGMs, are among the most valuable (and most
talked about) resources that asteroids could yield. The price of
platinum is
currently just a bit less than the price of gold - about $1,520 per
ounce.
Anderson said a single 500-meter-wide (quarter-mile-wide) asteroid
could contain
more platinum than has been mined during the history of humanity.
Planetary
Resources is looking at a process that would turn the extracted
platinum into
220-pound, 7-foot-wide wiffleballs of foamed metal that could be
sent down
through the atmosphere without breaking up. The balls would hit the
ground at a
velocity of about 60 mph.

This makes me wonder.

- what government entity will permit 220 lb. spheres of metal to rain
down on their population and,

- how come we haven't recovered any platinum-rich meteorites?

Kevin Kichinka
Rio del Oro, Santa Ana, Costa Rica
www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
'The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013'
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Re: [meteorite-list] Galactic Analytics Announcement

[Sterling K. Webb]

List, Chris,

I suspect the Planetary Science Institute
is meant, rather than the Planetary Research
Institute. My suspicions were aroused by
going to the website of the Planetary Science
Institute and seeing a picture of Marc Fries
there.

http://www.psi.edu/



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Galactic Analytics Announcement



Planetary Research Institute?

Chris

***
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http://www.cloudbait.com

On 3/26/2013 2:21 PM, Marc Fries wrote:

Howdy ladies and gents

The scientists at Galactic Analytics have been working on a project 
behind the scenes and the time has come to announce it publicly.  GA 
will stop performing radar analyses of meteorite falls. The same 
people will continue working on this project (don't worry!!), but we 
are transferring operations from Galactic Analytics to the Planetary 
Research Institute, a nonprofit research institution. We will 
continue to perform analyses, but they will appear on a PSI web page, 
and the old events will be transferred to the PSI website as well. 
PSI will also offer rapid, affordable meteorite classification 
services as well, picking up GA's efforts in that direction.


---

WHAT THIS MEANS TO SUBSCRIPTION HOLDERS:

GA has suspended the sale of annual subscriptions ahead of 
transferring to PSI. The goal is to do away with subscriptions 
entirely and make the radar data openly available to the public. 
This will take some time, however, as alternative funding efforts are 
underway. Since PSI is a nonprofit research institution, they can 
accept private donations, NASA and other government funding, and 
other sources of funding that were not available to GA. This will be 
used to continue operations.
Your subscription will still be honored! Existing one-year 
subscriptions will be allowed to expire over the course of the 
~one-year transition period. In the meanwhile, all data will be 
available on the single-event basis to those without annual 
subscriptions. The three-day wait for the single-event subscriptions 
will no longer be used. At the end of the coming one-year period, 
other funding should be in place and radar data will be openly 
available.
GA's website will be transferred to PSI's servers soon, but there 
should be no interruption in service. You'll have to update your 
browser links, but that is all.


---

ABOUT PSI:

The Planetary Research Institute (http://www.psi.edu) is a widely 
respected research institute based in Tucson, AZ that has been 
actively engaged in planetary science and public outreach since 1972. 
Roughly half of PSI's scientists live and work in Tucson, and the 
rest are scattered across the US and around the world. PSI is a 
flexible, responsive organization composed of dedicated and motivated 
science professionals. At a time when most research institutes are 
cutting back under budgetary pressures, PSI has continued to grow:


http://tucsoncitizen.com/press-releases/2013/03/01/planetary-science-institute-opens-new-tucson-conference-center/

PSI scientists perform research in a broad range of planetary science 
and astronomy, and near-term plans include manned suborbital 
spaceflight for astronomical observations:


http://www.psi.edu/atsa



METEORITE CLASSIFICATION:

PSI will pick up GA's efforts to offer a rapid, affordable meteorite 
classification service.  A great deal of progress has been made in 
this effort, and we anticipate that the service will commence in the 
coming months although we do not have a solid date yet. Please stay 
tuned.




OTHER STUFF

Dr. Marc Fries has accepted a job offer with NASA, working at the 
meteorite curation office in Houston, TX. Dr. Fries will still work 
on radar analyses on a part-time basis and has begun training PSI 
personnel to join in the effort. In the end, there will be more 
analysts working on locating meteorite falls, which means more 
meteorites! PSI's personnel and expertise resources will be brought 
to bear, allowing the project to grow more than it could under 
Galactic Analytics. Dr. Vishnu Reddy and Dr. Lucille LeCorre of PSI 
will take leading roles in the new effort.


This is going to be a good thing. We get to carry on with a new 
period of growth, training more analysts and getting more people 
involved. The meteorite analysis effort will grow into an expansive, 
self-supporting entity that truly does bring planetary science down 
to Earth into schools, museums and collections. We hope to expand 
meteorite recovery into a multifaceted science experience, with 
outreach efforts in the communities where meteorite falls occur, 
in-house analytical services at PSI, and inclusive research and 
recovery efforts that include scientists

Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today

[Sterling K. Webb]

Mike, List,


...it doesn't mention them in the bible...


Then they don't read their Bible (either): Joshua 10:11.
And it came to pass, as they fled before Israel, and werer
in the going down to Beth-Horon, that the Lord cast down
into Azekah great stones from heaven upon them, and
they died...

There follows a second mention of the stones but it calls
them hailstones. Strange, as the first reference is the
word for 'rocks.' Perhaps they became instantly coated
with frost as some meteorites have been observed to do.

But great stones from heaven is as clear a description
of meteorites as you can get in 1420 B.C.E.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com

To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com
Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today



Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education.
Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention 
them in the bible.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote:

Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space 
program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget 
about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the 
specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and 
enjoy it.


Regards!

Tom

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[meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

East Coast Fireball:

http://news.yahoo.com/meteor-over-manhattan-east-coast-fireball-sets-internet-052545019.html

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/flashy-meteors-fall-on-us-too/

http://www.fastcompany.com/3007389/tech-forecast/whats-now-meteor-streaks-over-eastern-us


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan VIDEO

[Sterling K. Webb]

This article contains two videos, the second
of which seems to show fragmentation taking
place:
http://www.space.com/20360-east-coast-meteor-fireball.html


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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:34 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan



List,

East Coast Fireball:

http://news.yahoo.com/meteor-over-manhattan-east-coast-fireball-sets-internet-052545019.html

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/flashy-meteors-fall-on-us-too/

http://www.fastcompany.com/3007389/tech-forecast/whats-now-meteor-streaks-over-eastern-us


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan VIDEO #2

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

The second video in this article shows brightening
and fragmentation and then it fades to dark quickly
at what must be a very high altitude:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/03/22/dramatic-meteor-streaks-through-evening-sky/


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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan VIDEO



This article contains two videos, the second
of which seems to show fragmentation taking
place:
http://www.space.com/20360-east-coast-meteor-fireball.html


Sterling K. Webb
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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:34 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Over Manhattan



List,

East Coast Fireball:

http://news.yahoo.com/meteor-over-manhattan-east-coast-fireball-sets-internet-052545019.html

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/flashy-meteors-fall-on-us-too/

http://www.fastcompany.com/3007389/tech-forecast/whats-now-meteor-streaks-over-eastern-us


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Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff

[Sterling K. Webb]

Phil, List

You said:
Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionism, 
physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and 
intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random 
arrangements of organic molecules.


That is EXACTLY how science defines life.
All science is materialist, reductionism, and
physicalist. If you believe something else,
then whatever that thing is, it is NOT science.

Yet:
I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according 
to the laws of probability...


So, life can't arise by chance on OUR planet but
it CAN on some other planet. Would you explain
the logic of that to me? Or is our planet special?

2500 years of having the structure (and eventually
the workings) of matter explained by Leucippus,
Democritus, Epicurus, through Galileo, to Dalton,
Bohr, Heisenberg, Einstein, and hundreds of others,
and you still don't get it.

I'll give you a 2500-year-old quote that you can
repeat quietly to yourself until you DO get it:
There are atoms and the void and nothing else.


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology 
Stuff




Mark,

I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been 
lifeless. If it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to 
Earth, with all the right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't 
hold my breath while looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. 
Abiogenisis is an extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity.


Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist, 
physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and 
intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random 
arrangements of organic molecules.


Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the 
building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth 
had a reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van 
Gogh by microprobing his paints.


I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according 
to the laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter how 
weird, bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will 
happen again.



We'll know more in a million years.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum


Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth) - That's fine if 
your looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally 
define life (and not just some grey area about self reproducing 
molecules) would we know 'it' if we saw it?




Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life 
on Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have 
gone from theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or 
forests to a small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging on 
deep underground near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we 
should, but at some point in the near future we should probably give 
up and start face to reality, and think about sending some resources 
elsewhere - where frankly the chances are a looking little bit higher, 
e.g Europa.


Mark



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Mulgrew

Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04
To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

Sterling,

Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on 
Mars will likely be found there.


Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff

[Sterling K. Webb]

Phil, List,


...our planet is incredibly special, it's the
most perfect goldylocksy place ever!


I knew what you were talking about wasn't
science. Now, I know what it is.

WillyWonkaism


Sterling K. Webb
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To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology 
Stuff




Sterling,

Nobody knows what life is, plain and simple. The wisest, most wizened 
theologians and the brightest scientists in the latest techno-labs 
don't have a clue. Nobody knows what the ghost in the machine is. Or 
how it arose from matter.


What I said was life seems to arisen by chance on our planet, and 
therefore it could possibly happen again elsewhere.


You said: Is our planet special? Yes, our planet is incredibly 
special, it's the most perfect goldylocksy place ever!



Yes, 2500 yrs ago all they had were atoms. Nowadays we have quantum 
particles and a stringy, vibrating web of particle waves that can be 
two places at once. Matter may not be solid after all. An entirely new 
parallel universe may be created ever time we make a decision. There 
may be near infinite copies of each and every one of us. Physics is 
turning into metaphysics. Materialism as we know it may be fading 
away. There might be massless forces lacking a Boson that we know 
nothing about. (The Force.) Particles may have a simple consciousness. 
For all we know meteorites may be intentionally aiming for the 
Sahara's soft sands. (Comic relief and steering the thread back the 
physical world of meteorites.)



Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum


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Exobiology Stuff


Phil, List

You said:

Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionism,
physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and
intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random
arrangements of organic molecules.


That is EXACTLY how science defines life.
All science is materialist, reductionism, and
physicalist. If you believe something else,
then whatever that thing is, it is NOT science.

Yet:

I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according
to the laws of probability...


So, life can't arise by chance on OUR planet but
it CAN on some other planet. Would you explain
the logic of that to me? Or is our planet special?

2500 years of having the structure (and eventually
the workings) of matter explained by Leucippus,
Democritus, Epicurus, through Galileo, to Dalton,
Bohr, Heisenberg, Einstein, and hundreds of others,
and you still don't get it.

I'll give you a 2500-year-old quote that you can
repeat quietly to yourself until you DO get it:
There are atoms and the void and nothing else.


Sterling K. Webb
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Mark,

I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been
lifeless. If it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to
Earth, with all the right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't
hold my breath while looking for life in the rest of the Solar 
System.

Abiogenisis is an extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity.

Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist,
physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and
intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random
arrangements of organic molecules.

Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the
building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth
had a reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van
Gogh by microprobing his paints.

I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according
to the laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter 
how

weird, bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will
happen again.


We'll know more in a million years.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum



Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth) - That's fine if
your looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally
define life (and not just some grey area about self reproducing
molecules) would we know 'it' if we saw it?




Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff

[Sterling K. Webb]

Every time I hear that word,
I feel... I dunno, kinda heavy.

Sterling

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The word today students is Boson now, back to your books.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

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Count,

Just as there is nothing in Isaac Newton's little book on gravity
that needs correcting despite its four-century age, the chemistry
and physics of atmospheres hasn't changed in the half century
since this other Isaac outlined the basics. The basics remain
the basics.

It's worth noting that at the time this was written very little
was known about the actual atmospheres of the planets (besides
the Earth). We had just learned that Jupiter had a lot of hydrogen,
but the others were all a mystery.

On purely theoretical grounds, Asimov suggests Mars' atmosphere
would turn out to be very rich in CO2 (unless there was plant life),
and indeed it's almost all CO2. But he wasn't writing about known
planetary atmosphere, he was writing about theoretical atmospheres,
their likelihood based on elemental abundances, and the possible
life energy cycles that could take place in them.

Those theoretical considerations haven't changed a bit. They're
not going to, since they are from basic chemistry and the known
cosmic abundances of the elements. Since there's 10,000 times
more oxygen in the universe than there is chlorine, this makes
the hydrogen-chlorine energy cycle of life much less likely to
occur in the universe than the hydrogen-oxygen cycle we critters
use.

Count, I thought you lived in  a place where they understood
what the odds mean...

Read the article. There's nothing out-of-date nor inaccurate in it.


Sterling K. Webb
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Jeez! Sterling,

I would hope that those who have read the suggested assignment in your 
post would read something a bit more current than my hero Isaac's half 
a century old treatise. They might as well read Genesis.


Best personal regards,

Count Deiro
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Guys, List,

What life needs is a source of energy that can be
stored and utilized when needed. Without these
energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you
have to eat breakfast.

This energetic system requires elements that are
cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool
enough to retain a gaseous reservoir of a reactive
element (called an atmosphere) and a fluid reservoir
of a working solvent to facilitate  and participate in
those reactions (called an ocean).

There are many possible systems of energy
exchange, but their LIKELIHOOD depends on
the cosmic abundance of the elements involved
and the likelihood of their entering into
combinations with other common elements.

If you grab a fistful of solar nebula you have
hydrogen, helium, and as impurities, oxygen and
nitrogen, BUT the oxygen and nitrogen combine
easily with hydrogen, so you end up with an
atmosphere of hydrogen, helium, with ammonia
and methane as impurities.

We represent a CHON life system, but fluorine is
more energetic than oxygen and yields more bang
for the buck. So, why don't we have a CHFN life
system? The reason is that fluorine grabs on so
tight it can't be split off again with the energies
available at a planetary surface. Ammonia is a
better solvent than water but its liquid range of
fluid temperatures is so narrow that it would make
a lousy ocean.

The reactive elements for life are all right there on the
periodic chart in a stack: fluorine, oxygen, chlorine,
bromine, iodine. At first blush, life could be based on
any of them, but some are more unlikely than others.

Since I don't want to write twenty pages of chemistry,
I suggest you go the link given below;
http://www.bestebooksworld.com/showeBook.asp?link=24235
and download the PDF of this little 1957 book, Only
A  Trillion. Read Chapter Six, Planets Have An Air About
Them, by Isaac Asimov who, being both a chemist by
trade and a better writer than I, can explain the whole
range of possible life systems and how they might work
in a marvelous fashion.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

[Sterling K. Webb]

Count,

You said:

...Asimov was making a wild ass guess as to the
10,000 to one Oxygen/Chlorine ratio and he never
 presented one paper to support his hypothesis.


Asimov wasn't presenting a scientific paper. He was
writing a popular article in a popular magazine. There
are no referencew in magazine pieces. Again, he wasn't
making hypotheses; he was presenting the well-known
science of the time. The cosmic abundances were being
determined for forty years before this article was writteen.

Here's a current table of the values:
http://www.kayelaby.npl.co.uk/chemistry/3_1/3_1_3.html
and a bit clearer example at:
http://old.orionsarm.com/science/Abundance_of_Elements.html

Counting atoms for cosmic abundances is tricky. People
have tried by counting atoms in Earth's sea water, in the
crustal rocks of the Earth, by analyzing meteorite abundances,
by spectroscopic analysis of the Sun and of other stars.

The table in the first reference gives figures for all of these
sources; water, rocks, meteorites, Sun, stars... (I don't know
which one Asimov was using.) It works because our star
and rocks (planets) are all made out of the same stuff and
similar stars are made from almost identical stuff.

The ratios may have been refined since 1957, but they haven't
changed that much. And Isaac only mentions one noble gas:
neon.

As for Mars, I have another argument. Mars had a warm wet
past. Any simple life there probably started then. So, life has
had 3-4 billion years to get its act together. IF there is life on
Mars, don't you think it would evolve a little bit in all that time?
Do something that would get our attention? Leave visible
evidence of its presence? Life expands, spreads, complicates.
If there were life on Mars, wouldn't it have done SOMETHING
in three billion years?

I don't believe in patient little microbes that do nothing for
billions of years. It says to me that there's nobody home...


Sterling K. Webb
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Stirling,

I'm on board with you through the first three paragraphs of your last, 
but I have to jump ship right from the first sentence of your fourth, 
cause you is sailing into ever shallowing water.


Thereoretical considerations have changed and are changing as we speak 
about Asimov. We hadn't scratched or sniffed on any other solar system 
body in his day, and now the present science argues against the ratios 
of noble gasses he theorized.


Further shallowing the water, is the fact that we haven't been able to 
sniff the whole of the volumne of the universe as yet and we have 
recently discovered that there is enough evidence of galactic sized 
concentrations of interstellar gas and other elements floating around 
that we can't even postulate the percentages of anything.. So you see, 
Asimov was making a wild ass guess as to the 10,000 to one 
Oxygen/Chlorine ratio and he never presented one paper to support his 
hypothesis.


As I swim away from this sinking ship, I yell over my shoulder that I 
never meant to imply that it's evidence of homonids that I expect to 
show up on Mars, or any other body in the solar system, but I'm 
giving odds that the Sport Utility Vehicle we just drove up there 
will quite quickly show us that the red planet did have the right 
ratios to once support life in the scientific sense...and perhaps 
still does.


Best personal regards,

Guido

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

Count,

Just as there is nothing in Isaac Newton's little book on gravity
that needs correcting despite its four-century age, the chemistry
and physics of atmospheres hasn't changed in the half century
since this other Isaac outlined the basics. The basics remain
the basics.

It's worth noting that at the time this was written very little
was known about the actual atmospheres of the planets (besides
the Earth). We had just learned that Jupiter had a lot of hydrogen,
but the others were all a mystery.

On purely theoretical grounds, Asimov suggests Mars' atmosphere
would turn out to be very rich in CO2 (unless there was plant life),
and indeed it's almost all CO2. But he wasn't writing about known
planetary atmosphere, he was writing about theoretical

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

[Sterling K. Webb]

Guys, List,

What life needs is a source of energy that can be
stored and utilized when needed. Without these
energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you
have to eat breakfast.

This energetic system requires elements that are
cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool
enough to retain a gaseous reservoir of a reactive
element (called an atmosphere) and a fluid reservoir
of a working solvent to facilitate  and participate in
those reactions (called an ocean).

There are many possible systems of energy
exchange, but their LIKELIHOOD depends on
the cosmic abundance of the elements involved
and the likelihood of their entering into
combinations with other common elements.

If you grab a fistful of solar nebula you have
hydrogen, helium, and as impurities, oxygen and
nitrogen, BUT the oxygen and nitrogen combine
easily with hydrogen, so you end up with an
atmosphere of hydrogen, helium, with ammonia
and methane as impurities.

We represent a CHON life system, but fluorine is
more energetic than oxygen and yields more bang
for the buck. So, why don't we have a CHFN life
system? The reason is that fluorine grabs on so
tight it can't be split off again with the energies
available at a planetary surface. Ammonia is a
better solvent than water but its liquid range of
fluid temperatures is so narrow that it would make
a lousy ocean.

The reactive elements for life are all right there on the
periodic chart in a stack: fluorine, oxygen, chlorine,
bromine, iodine. At first blush, life could be based on
any of them, but some are more unlikely than others.

Since I don't want to write twenty pages of chemistry,
I suggest you go the link given below;
http://www.bestebooksworld.com/showeBook.asp?link=24235
and download the PDF of this little 1957 book, Only
A  Trillion. Read Chapter Six, Planets Have An Air About
Them, by Isaac Asimov who, being both a chemist by
trade and a better writer than I, can explain the whole
range of possible life systems and how they might work
in a marvelous fashion.


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff



Michael M and List,

First, apologies to be so Sci-Fi...not the intention.  If I had a 
better rocker I'd probably be knocked off of it for remotely, even 
slightltly suggesting this, especially to this credentialed List; best 
a slap upside-the-head to get me back to reality...


Meanwhile, here goesit falls into the X-curiousity factor of all 
equations: how can we rule out everything that hasn't already been 
ruled in? To wit: given what we know about 
Life-to-develop-needs-100%-water, what don't we know?  Is our 
silly-human insignificance bound only by what we currently know and 
entertain as possibilities?


This is NOT an endoresment for rice-paddy science; nor a support for 
the previous thread.  I've just always wondered why we assume that all 
elemental progressions are known.


Big stew out there! I really would like to hear from you 
heavy-weights...it'll rest better when I read.


Sincerely, and good thing I'm not a B-movie producer,
Richard Montgomery


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FossilsinFireballFragments




Considering our current understanding of what it takes for life to
develop, i.e. water is 100% absolutely necessary, I would say the
recent evidence of Mars' wet past increases the chances of
extraterrestrial life discovery by much, much more than a tiny tiny
amount.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Mark Ford
mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk wrote:


Sure and I don't deny finding water or evidence of it is very 
exciting, but what I question, is 'the building blocks of life 
claim'. This is pure hype. Sure water and amino acids are essential 
for life, but I would question exactly how certain life is to evolve 
when water alone is present. The answer is it's massively more 
complex than just having flowing water. So finding water does not 
immediately mean there is any life. From some of the recent press 
and Nasa coverage, you would get the impression that finding water 
on Mars automatically means the hunt for extraterrestrial life is 
nearly over, but the truth is very far from it! It just makes it a 
tiny tiny amount more likely..


Mark

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[meteorite-list] Interactive Map of Every Meteorite Impact

[Sterling K. Webb]

List,

Every known earth impact of a meteorite in
an interactive scalable map:
http://osm2.cartodb.com/tables/meteoritessize/embed_map?title=truedescription=truesearch=trueshareable=truecartodb_logo=truesql=zoom=2center_lat=39.075375179558346center_lon=0

Fun to play with...

More elaborate than the Gaurdian map posted
on the List earlier, but inspired by it:
http://www.wunderground.com/news/meteorite-map-every-strike-earth-history-20130226


Sterling K. Webb


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Re: [meteorite-list] What are we seeing here?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Are these fragments...?

No, that's lens flare from the bright fireball.


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I'm hesitant to speculate so I must ask. Are these fragments, in this 
video, that have finished generating visible light and are going into 
dark flight/reaching terminal velocity?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzwB7FeJRgAfeature=player_embedded#!
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Re: [meteorite-list] terminology

[Sterling K. Webb]

Meteoroid impact = collect meteorites.
Asteroid impact = collect asterites.

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Hello everyone -

What is the difference between a meteoroid impact and an asteroid 
impact?


Well, in a meteoroid impact there are people left alive to collect 
meteorites afterwards.


My guess is that those popping sounds are due to the release of simple 
mechanical energy well after the main bolide (one l).


good hunting,
Ed


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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

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Pieces on the ground?

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_worldid=8993349
The ministry said some fragments fell near the
town of Satka, about 200 kilometers (120 miles)
from the regional capital city of Chelyabinsk.

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Hey List,

Anyone hearing reports of a major meteor in Russia in the past few
hours? Supposedly large shockwave blew out windows.

Some interesting videos have been popping up on youtube, judge for 
yourself:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI

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Re: [meteorite-list] Celestial Sleuths Track Historic Meteor Procession to South Atlantic

[Sterling K. Webb]

Anne and List,

A lengthy and detailed description of the event can
be found here (and downloaded as a PDF if desired):
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1956Metic...1..405M/405.000.html

A history of research into the path of the fireballs:
http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/smith/feb1913.pdf

Most of the detailed tracking and calculation of the
flight path described  in this article is simply a repeat
of the work done by John O'Keefe sixty years ago.
Some references to O'Keefe's work can be found in
the wikipedia article on the Fireball Procession:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_procession_of_February_9,_1913

I posted about it to the list on March 26, 2005:
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg32385.html

O'Keefe conducted a search of 8,000 local newspapers
across the US and Canada for reports of such fireball
trains and plotted the results on the map.  He discovered
that there TWO stripes of fireball trains, parallel to each
other but with the second one displaced to the south.
Whatever the decaying orbital object was, it [may have]
survived through TWO passes of the Earth's atmosphere.


Sterling K. Webb
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WOW!!!
This should be mandatory reading for anyone who has ever thought that 
the meteor/fireball they saw landed just beyond those 
trees/houses/hills...

This one was seen from Canada to the South Atlantic!


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
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http://www.txstate.edu/news/news_releases/news_archive/2013/January-2013/Meteors012313.html

Celestial sleuths track historic meteor procession to South Atlantic
Posted by Jayme Blaschke
Texas State University
January 23, 2013

A century ago, one of the most spectacular astronomical sights ever
recorded lit up the skies when a grand procession of meteors blazed
their way through the Earth's atmosphere. The event made headlines 
from

Toronto to Pennsylvania and New York, and in the days that followed
eyewitness reports poured in from as far away as Western Canada and 
Bermuda.


Now, on the 100th anniversary of the historic event, astronomers Don
Olson of Texas State University and Steve Hutcheon of the Astronomical
Association of Queensland, Australia, have answered a long-forgotten
call for more information from the pages of the science journal
Nature, establishing a far greater range for the great fireball
procession than previously known.

Olson and Hutcheon publish their findings in the February 2013 issue 
of

Sky  Telescope magazine, on newsstands now.

A meteor procession occurs when an Earth-grazing meteor breaks up upon
entering the atmosphere, creating multiple meteors traveling in nearly
identical paths. Instead of plunging down through the atmosphere and
burning up within a second or two, as often observed in normal meteor
showers, the fireballs in meteor processions travel almost 
horizontally,

nearly parallel to the Earth's surface. Each member of a meteor
procession can remain visible to a single observer for about a minute,
and the entire procession can take several minutes to pass by.

On the evening of Feb. 9, 1913, the dazzling procession of meteors
crossed over Canada and the Northeastern United States traveling
northwest to southeast. University of Toronto astronomer Clarence A.
Chant collected accounts from the astonished eyewitnesses and
summarized, To most observers the outstanding feature of the 
phenomenon

was the slow, majestic motion of the bodies; and almost equally
remarkable was the perfect formation which they retained. Hundreds of
meteors were observed as far west as Saskatchewan, Canada, around 7 
p.m.

Mountain Time, and as far east as Bermuda at around 10 p.m. Atlantic
Time, a distance of more than 2,400 miles. In the years that followed,
additional reports from a town in Alberta, Canada, and a ship off the
coast of Brazil extended the confirmed range of the meteor procession 
to

more than 6,000 miles.

Writing about the procession in Nature in 1916, William F. Denning
observed that Such an extended trajectory is without parallel in this
branch of astronomy. Further reports from navigators in the South
Atlantic Ocean might show that the observed flight was even greater.
Later in 1916 Denning observed in the Journal of the Royal 
Astronomical

Society of Canada that, according to the most distant ship sighting
known to him, the meteors were still going

Re: [meteorite-list] POLONNARUWA METEORITE WITH EVIDENCE OF LIFE FROM OUTER SPACE....

[Sterling K. Webb]

Here's the paper.
http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Polonnaruwa-meteorite.pdf
Connecting back to other bogus phenomena,
the meteorite also contains cells of what are
sopposed to be cells of the red rain.


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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLONNARUWA METEORITE WITH EVIDENCE 
OFLIFE FROM OUTER SPACE




Did I misread that? Journal of Cosmetology?
By the way, I am pretty sure I found evidence of extra-terrestrial 
life in
my 11 year old son's socks today. I ready to publish because, after 
the

socks, I'm ready to perish.

Mendy

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
Jodie

Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:52 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Meteorite list; Tom Randall
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLONNARUWA METEORITE WITH EVIDENCE OF 
LIFE

FROM OUTER SPACE

We need to be a little careful of the Journal of Cosmology.

Although they claim to be peer-reviewed, as blogger PZ Meyers so 
eloquently

describes them:

---
 It doesn't exist in print, consists entirely of a crude and ugly 
website

that looks like it was sucked through a wormhole from the 1990s, and
publishes lots of empty noise with no substantial editorial restraint. 
For a
while, it seemed to be entirely the domain of a crackpot named Rhawn 
Joseph
who called himself the emeritus professor of something mysteriously 
called
the Brain Research Laboratory, based in the general neighborhood of 
Northern
California (seriously, that was the address: Northern California), 
and

self-published all of his pseudo-scientific publications on this web
site.


They've gotten whacked for publishing these claims before:

http://news.discovery.com/space/nasa-refutes-alien-discovery-claim-110307.ht
m


From Bad Astronomy:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/07/followup-thoughts-
on-the-meteorite-fossils-claim/#.UPNxZ3fSrLc

http://rrresearch.fieldofscience.com/2011/03/is-this-claim-of-bacteria-in-me
teorite.html


etc, so-on, ad-nauseam.

Give me a call when it appears in Science, Nature, Space Science 
Revue,
Astrophys, Astron_J Planetary and Space Sci, Advances in Space 
Research, ...

;-)

--- Jodie


Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:42:21 PM, you wrote:


What a pile of steaming crap article! I love how they have put out a
scientific paper finding life, in two weeks (I returned from Sri 
Lanka

on the 29th).

The meteorite which fell there on 18 dec was a chondrite, then in
typical 3rd world fashion, meteorites were hitting all over the
country nightly, setting fields and houses on fire, killing dogs etc!
I wouldn't bother trying to get a piece of this one, it is most 
likely

bat crap or something similar:) Michael Farmer



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http://bit.ly/UXjYZc



Regards!



Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Creepy crawlies!

[Sterling K. Webb]

It's the New Mexico State Insect:
http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/New_Mexico/Tarantula_hawk_wasp.html
Not exactly a warm and welcoming symbol.

Not complaining. I live in Illinois and our
State Fossil is the equally attractive Tully Monster:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/tullys-mystery-monster/


Sterling K. Webb
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To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Creepy crawlies!



Adam and List, (nice off-topic desert fun)...

YES!!   While collecting (insects) at Paramid Lake years ago, I nabbed 
a Pompillidae (tarantula hawk) who's body-length was 2 inches+, and it 
actually looked like a bird flying aroundand it stung me.


Pain wasn't even the word for it.  I remember that is felt like an 
electric shock, and literally knocked my off my feet.  Oddly, that's 
all I remember. It now lives somewhere in the UC Davis Bohart Museum.


They literally carry tarantulas away to provision the nest for 
young-uns.


See you all in Tucson!
Richard Montgomery


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From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com

To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Creepy crawlies!


I have been bitten (more like chewed on) by Wind Scorpion on my large 
toe when I feel asleep on my back porch. Left a distinctive scar that 
only a creature with two independent sets of jaws can deliver. 
Surprisingly, it wasn't as painful as being stung by bark scorpion 
which feels like somebody is burning you with a hot coal for hours. 
They are afraid of nothing and will attack anything that moves. I had 
one chasing me around my back patio. It moved so quickly that I could 
not tell what it was until I trapped it.



You think Sun Spiders and Wind Scorpions are bad. On a one to ten 
scale, a sting from a Tarantula Hawk rates a ten as far as pain goes 
while a bee sting only rares a one or two and a scorpion sting rates a 
three or four. I can only imagine one of these things flying through 
the air carrying a giant tarantula spider payload. If you startle it 
while it is carrying the alive spider back to its nest, it is liable 
to drop it on you in mid flight.


http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2010/07/16/tarantula-hawks-deliver-the-big-sting/
I have only seen two of these. One landed on my sandal while I was 
wearing it and the other I smashed onto the the side of my head when 
it buzzed me under a streetlamp. What a mess! I identified it through 
the giant red wings that I combed out of my hair. Thankfully I was not 
stung by either one. A sting from one of these will make the strongest 
man curl up in the fetal position and cry mama.


Be Careful,

Adam
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