Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG -- ONE MORE ...

2006-03-09 Thread MexicoDoug
Hola Sterling, and thank you for the gracious email. Hopefully this gas cooled down; I won't go for another round on this one now, I promise. I pray the tektite debate won't continue until after we are dust, but in some places, probably you are dead right there. I've always thought that one

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb
: Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG This is actually a more general point: there are lots and lots of impact craters but very few tektite producing ones; why? Sterling K. Webb Why not very

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-06 Thread MexicoDoug
Sterling W. writes: Doug, the actual language Kroeberl uses is that the F/B ratio of tektites should tend toward 1.0. This is Professional Science Speak for too complex to model exactly, but most of the cows ought to stampede in this direction... Hola Sterling, I asked you where you got the

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG -- ONE MORE TIME!

2006-03-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb
] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG Sterling W. writes: Doug, the actual language Kroeberl uses is that the F/B ratio of tektites should tend toward 1.0. This is Professional Science Speak for too complex to model exactly, but most of the cows ought to stampede in this direction... Hola

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-05 Thread MexicoDoug
Sterling W. writes: I don't know the values for the Nubia Sandstone, but the range of sandstones is fluorine 180 to 450 ppm and boron about 10 to 85 ppm. The figures for LDG is fluorine 7 ppm and boron 7 ppm, so you see how the ratios shift as the content drops. As the temperature rises

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-05 Thread Sterling K. Webb
@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG Sterling W. writes: I don't know the values for the Nubia Sandstone, but the range of sandstones is fluorine 180 to 450 ppm and boron about 10 to 85 ppm. The figures for LDG

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-05 Thread Larry Lebofsky
Sterling: Sounds good to me (though I study big rocks that you can see with a telescope). It sounds like it is time for me to start reading up on tektites too! As a novice, would you basically say that tektites come from volatilized material that has recondensed while an impactite derives

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-05 Thread Sterling K. Webb
- From: Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-05 Thread Kevin Forbes
PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG All, Thanks for the fabulous discussion. I had to take time out from the discourse to wash, size-sort, cull, and count 10,000 tektites

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-04 Thread Sterling K. Webb
-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG Hola Norm, so it seems we actually agree on most of the points, including the most important one: the subjectivity of the definition. You are just wanting to be more liberal...and me more stoodgy...I wasn't dodging the layered tektite issue when

[meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-04 Thread Mike Fowler
This is actually a more general point: there are lots and lots of impact craters but very few tektite producing ones; why? Sterling K. Webb Why not very high velocity comet impacts, at a near vertical angle. Maximum cometary velocities would be about 10 times more than average

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-04 Thread MexicoDoug
Sterling W. writes: Crustal rocks have 5 or 10 times more fluorine than boron. Tektites should have a ratio of 1.0, indicating that they were heated to temperatures high enough to drive off most of the fluorine and leave the two halogens at identical levels (however low the absolute amount),

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-04 Thread Sterling K. Webb
- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG Sterling W

[meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi Ron and List, Like so many others, I was eagerly flying over the lines in search of a hint to LDG (Libyan Desert Glass),and, there it is (of course ;-): since its shape points to an origin of extraterrestrial impact, it will likely prove to be the event responsible for the extensive field

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread Norm Lehrman
Bernd list, This is indeed exciting, and may finally justify LDG being recognized as a true tektite rather than a simple impactite. Although the article doesn't give us much for location beyond at the northern tip of the Gilf Kebir region, that's close enough, as the LDG strewn field is

[meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread Mike Fowler
Hi List, My two cents worth: Tektites are blasted into space and then return. Horizontal flow, blast , ejection or whatever, would not a tektite make, at least in the classical sense. Mike Fowler Where is the dividing line between impactite and tektite? I'd like to hear what others

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread MexicoDoug
Norm L. writes: Where is the dividing line between impactite and tektite? I'd like to hear what others may understand, but my impression is that it fundamentally hinges on distance the glassy material is ejected from the crater. Material found only in and immediately around the source

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread Norm Lehrman
Doug, Good points all, but if you want to raise the water/purity issue, you can't dodge the Muong Nong issue. (The best answer is that they shouldn't be called tektites, BUT, they ARE so called by all authorities). With LDG, it can be reasonably argued that flight-related morphology has been

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread MexicoDoug
Hola Norm, so it seems we actually agree on most of the points, including the most important one: the subjectivity of the definition. You are just wanting to be more liberal...and me more stoodgy...I wasn't dodging the layered tektite issue when I said not to bring it up (which you

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread Norm Lehrman
Doug, I do enjoy your contributions. Always stimulating. I have no fundamental disagreements. Just a few hair-splitting points. Re: the partial pressures in Australasian bubbles. It has been argued that our numbers are bogus. As atmospheric water is absorbed into the hydrating tektite

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread Pete Pete
From: Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:23:29 -0800 (PST) Doug, I do enjoy your contributions. Always stimulating. I have

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

2006-03-03 Thread tracy latimer
Perhaps, rather than falling like a dead rat into the division between tektites and impactites, LDG is an indicator of more of a continuous spectrum. We already admit that there are anomalies where Muong Nong tektites and some aspects of australites don't fit comfortably within tektite