Re: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
John, I agree and since Nantan has already been taken a few times, I'll guess it's an abused Campo. Mike Heres my Vote for the NJO: Meteorite John Higgins 31 Walnut St Bloomfield, NJ 07003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update JAN 8
Lots of off list voting! We have so far: Meteorite - 5 Meteorwrong - 18 Brushed up Nantan/other - 4 Betean Fuel rod - 1 Abstain - 5 Slag -1 Did anyone notice the US Steel industrial park a stone's throw away from the impact location? Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. VOTING WILL END FRIDAY! Jan 12! -- I've got to get on with my life. :0) -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update JAN 8
My vote is for a meteorwrong. It looks a lot like a piece of iron that was kicked out of a tubgrinder. These are large machines used to grind up wood debris, like after a hurricane, or for recycling purposes, or for volume reduction of demolition debris. If there is such a machine operating within 300 or 400 yards of the impact site, it could have been hammered around in the machine a while, leaving it somewhat rounded and dented, and then kicked out with enough velocity to go hundreds of feet in the air, and fall back with a velocity of 100 to 150 miles an hour, depending on the size of the machine etc. The horizontal travel would depend on the angle of ejection, and most importantly on the wind speed. Of course if this happened, it is unlikely that the owner of the machine will come forward and own up to it. Mike Fowler E-Z Tree Recycling Chicago also ebay--starsandrocks Did anyone notice the US Steel industrial park a stone's throw away from the impact location? Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. VOTING WILL END FRIDAY! Jan 12! -- I've got to get on with my life. :0) -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
My vote is meteorwrong.And a thought on the subject of the velocity of the object.If the object had enough cosmic velocity to penetrate a roof,ceiling,crack tiles and bounce to embed itself in a wall would it not have to be disengaged from a larger mass of sufficient size to retain much of its cosmic velocity until it came close to the point of disingagement of of the smaller object which entered the apartment roof.IF SO,SOMEONE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE NOTICED SUCH A LARGE OBJECT AND REPORTED IT.Food for thought. Have a great day meteoriteophiles. Best Regards;Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO - Votes
We have so far: Meteorite - 3 Meteorwrong - 3 Brushed up nantan/other - 2 Betean Fuel rod - 1 Abstain - 4 Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO - Votes
I have to abstain, not being able to hold the NJO in my hot little hands and look at it in person. I am, however, leaning towards a meteorwrong; the color looks off, unless we are looking at a recurrence of the copper meteorite that turned out to be an aircraft part. Tracy Latimer _ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme002001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO - Votes
Hi All, I was surprised that our local NBC affiliate in Los Angeles closed the news last night (just before Jay Leno) with a 30-second blurb on the mystery metal object from New Jersey. So I was finally able to see high-definition video of the object being rotated, allowing a better feel for the surface texture. It is a bit peanut-shaped, and certainly larger than a golf ball which means its specific gravity is correspondingly lower -- less than 7 I should think. The surface looked melted in some spots (like viscous drips), but in other areas I thought I could see glints from small, metallic crystal faces -- although not unlike the octahedrite crystals one sees in the higher quality Nantan pieces. If this had been a find rather than a fall, I'd be very encouraged by its density and appearance. But as a fresh fall, it looks, well, ~wrong~. Where is the crust of magnetite? How could it look the way it does if it just screamed through our upper atmosphere at 8+ miles per second? So my vote is that if it turns out to be a meteorite, foul play is involved. Determining whether it is a meteorite or not should take about 20 seconds by any regular member of this list examining the specimen firsthand. If it ~is~ a meteorite, the next step would be to check its gamma ray spectrum for evidence of short-lived, cosmic-ray-induced radioactive isotopes in order to prove it was recently in space. On a final note, by nature I'm suspicious of coincidences; given the recent reentry of the Soyuz third stage booster over Wyoming/ Colorado the morning of January 4th, I thought it would be a good idea to check that rocket body's ground track for the evening of January 2nd over New Jersey! For example, there may have been pyro bolts or other deployment hardware related to the launch that would have had different drag coefficients, causing them to reenter earlier or later than the rocket body. Great idea on paper; alas, there were no passes close to New Jersey in the hours prior to 9pm on Tuesday night. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
We have so far: Meteorite - 3 Meteorwrong - 8 Brushed up nantan/other - 3 Betean Fuel rod - 1 Abstain - 5 Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
Here is my vote: Meteorwrong! José Campos - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5 We have so far: Meteorite - 3 Meteorwrong - 8 Brushed up nantan/other - 3 Betean Fuel rod - 1 Abstain - 5 Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO - Votes
Hi, About an hour after Ron posted the first news story about the NJO, with a link to the newspaper with a photo that had a scale in it, I posted this: Thankfully, they provide a scale, so a rough estimate of volume can be made. The weight is given as 13 ounces, or about 370 grams. Roughing up the volume on a cylinder of the diameter and length of the object shown, I get a density between 7 gm/cm^3 and 8 gm/cm^3, so it's likely iron. Specifically, a rectangular prism 25mm x 25mm x 70mm, or a cylinder 30mm by 80mm, covers that density range. Of course, it's a potato, but I approximate its volume at 45 +/- 3 cc. That would be consistent with iron at that weight. Brass or copper would be 15-20% heavier and lead or silver would be 50% heavier for that size. Iridium or osmium would be 200% heavier, and a plutonium reactor slug would be 130% heavier. A meteorwrong of solid gold would be 150% heavier. A slug of tin would be almost the same weight as iron, but pure tin is not that common. The only other choice is copper or brass and for that, the object would have to be no more than 39 +/- 3 cc in volume. Its length is evident, but it would have to have an average circularized cross section just under one inch in diameter, to be the right volume to be copper or brass. It looks bulkier than that to me, but it's hard to judge a potato from photos, videos, TV. The density of iron meteorites is variable over a +/- 10% range depending the other constituents; nickel has a density of 8.9, while troilite lowers the bulk density of the iron. The density of copper alloys and brass varies considerably according to composition. Two days of rising publicity, but would it take you more than two hours to measure its density, window a corner, do the nickel test, give it a close squint, and so forth? Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NJO - Votes Hi All, I was surprised that our local NBC affiliate in Los Angeles closed the news last night (just before Jay Leno) with a 30-second blurb on the mystery metal object from New Jersey. So I was finally able to see high-definition video of the object being rotated, allowing a better feel for the surface texture. It is a bit peanut-shaped, and certainly larger than a golf ball which means its specific gravity is correspondingly lower -- less than 7 I should think. The surface looked melted in some spots (like viscous drips), but in other areas I thought I could see glints from small, metallic crystal faces -- although not unlike the octahedrite crystals one sees in the higher quality Nantan pieces. If this had been a find rather than a fall, I'd be very encouraged by its density and appearance. But as a fresh fall, it looks, well, ~wrong~. Where is the crust of magnetite? How could it look the way it does if it just screamed through our upper atmosphere at 8+ miles per second? So my vote is that if it turns out to be a meteorite, foul play is involved. Determining whether it is a meteorite or not should take about 20 seconds by any regular member of this list examining the specimen firsthand. If it ~is~ a meteorite, the next step would be to check its gamma ray spectrum for evidence of short-lived, cosmic-ray-induced radioactive isotopes in order to prove it was recently in space. On a final note, by nature I'm suspicious of coincidences; given the recent reentry of the Soyuz third stage booster over Wyoming/ Colorado the morning of January 4th, I thought it would be a good idea to check that rocket body's ground track for the evening of January 2nd over New Jersey! For example, there may have been pyro bolts or other deployment hardware related to the launch that would have had different drag coefficients, causing them to reenter earlier or later than the rocket body. Great idea on paper; alas, there were no passes close to New Jersey in the hours prior to 9pm on Tuesday night. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
Heres my Vote for the NJO: Meteorite John Higgins 31 Walnut St Bloomfield, NJ 07003 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
