Hi all,
After I placed my last Denver Blow Out Sale ad I received so much
response that I thought I'd list an update.
Even though I said I was all packed and really didn't want to unpack
to make sales before Denver, I had no choice. There was just too much
demand for my specimens at these LOW
Hi folks,
the last few hours for the 29g full slice of PV...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=270310190635
thanks
dave
IMCA #0092
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www.bimsociety.org
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Hi,
I have a 28.6g slice of PV for sale - wonderful thick metallic veins and
superb matrix! It's also crusted and generally rather fab!
I would like OIRO $500 for it - to be paypalled to me!
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/entropydave2001/PortalesValley#
email me if interested
thanks
dave
IMCA
Portales Valley was my first hunt for a fresh fall. Mike Farmer called
to tell me about the fall. I wasn't able to get away immediately, but I
borrowed a bunch of cash and a couple days later met Mike and Jack and Devon
Shrader in southern New Mexico and followed Mike back to the fall
Hello and good day list,
I am thinking of searching the Portales Valley area.
I have never been there and don't have a clue of the area or where to look.
Can anyone help me, please?
Thanks and best to all,
Griff
Floyd Griff Griffith
Parker, Colorado USA
IMCA
Hello List,
It has been a while since I last made a post about
our few remaining pieces of Portales Valley, and
Dhofar 1180. The supply of both is even lower now. So,
if you still haven't added either/both to your
collection, now might be a good time to do so.
To check out some of the
Does anyone on the list know the current status
of classification for Portales Valley? When it first
fell, I believe it was merely classified as (H6), which
I thought was insulting to one's logic. Then, I heard
the classification had been changed (about time). However,
I recently saw a Michael
Hello Michael and List,
I don't have a final, definitive answer to your
question. It is one that I, too, have been seeking an
answer to for a long time.
Here is a link to a fairly recent article that
raises some good points:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Sept05/PortalesValley.html
Michael,
This was the subject on the list just a year ago. I had expressed my
favor of the journal article by A. Ruzicka et al. (2005), which referred
to PV by a new term -- H-chondrite, metallic-melt breccia. Jeff Grossman
posted the following in reply, which actually does seem like a
In Roberl Woolard site its write this:
H7, Metallic Melt Breccia (Primitive Achondrite)
Its ok?
Matteo
--- Frank Cressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
Matteo and all,
I believe it is now classified as a Metallic-melt
Meteorite Breccia.
Cheers,
Frank
M come Meteorite Meteorites
Anotherthe probably H7, Metallic Melt Breccia
(Primitive Achondrite) classification its for the
pieces with metal veins...but for the normaly portales
valley without any veins the classification its a H6?
The matrix its paired to a normaly ordinary chondrite.
Matteo
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley: Not Just Another
OrdinaryChondrite
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:22:54 +0200 (CEST)
Anotherthe probably H7, Metallic Melt Breccia
(Primitive Achondrite) classification its
Obviously there is disagreement among scientists
on what to call PV. I personally see no reason
to call it type 7, a primitive achondrite, an
achondrite OR to coin a new term. If I take the
conclusions of the Ruzicka study as a given, that
you had H6 material near its peak metamorphic
Hello Matteo and List,
Matteo had written:
In Roberl Woolard site its write this:
H7, Metallic Melt Breccia (Primitive Achondrite)
Its ok?
Matteo
Just to make it perfectly clear, what I say on the
site, in context, is: (Capitalization and spacing
added here for emphasis):
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Sept05/PortalesValley.html
Portales Valley: Not Just Another Ordinary Chondrite
Planetary Science Research Discoveries
September 30, 2005
--- A melted meteorite gives a snapshot of the heat and shock that
wracked an asteroid during the first stages of differentiation.
ok...in conclusion what new classification is portales
valley?
Matteo
--- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Sept05/PortalesValley.html
Portales Valley: Not Just Another Ordinary Chondrite
Planetary Science Research Discoveries
September 30, 2005
Hello Listees,
I am looking for a nice larger slice of Portales Valley for a local Museum in
Germany. It shall be put on display to the public. A trade could be arranged
and the Museum can offer a large slice of the L6 chondrite fall Fisher,
Minnesota. Although of a common type, material of
so what are they calling portales?
i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley
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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hello List,
Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled
by the classification of Portales Valley as an H6
ordinary chondrite. (See
ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Robert Woolard" [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification InfoDate: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:11:20 -0700Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list forasking;" I have to
: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list for
asking;
I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary
chondrite because they were to lazy to make up a new classification? It
would seem to me
ordinary
chondrite, then it was!
Just thought it was interesting . : )
Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier
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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
peregrineflier
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Tom ,
I
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Hi Bob,
I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for
reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed
: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi Bob,
I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for
reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory
remarks
about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as
you
can see now, work
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From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Tom,
The word 'lazy
:39 PM
To: Bob Holmes; Robert Woolard; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi Bob,
The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine.
I know, sorry if I made it sound like you said it. I wanted to know if
it
was laziness or what
17, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking
a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues.
Dave
Bob Holmes wrote:
Tom,
The word 'lazy' came from your
Hi Tom and List,
If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say
about the original classification? Was it wrong?
No.
Was it a rush to judgment?
No.
Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to
properly classify it (lazy)?
No. It was studied. Everything
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:33 AM
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Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading
Tom,
I agree with Bob. Ask anyone who anxiously waited for the official
classification of Portales Valley to be released, and you will find that
with few exceptions, every one was shaking their heads in disbelief when
the announcement was made. I seriously doubt that anyone spoke negatively
Hola Tom,
No one said you are stupid (except your own post)! You are ruffling some
feathers because your comments seem to be too insensitive. Scientists -
which can include even you and me - normally have no problem being questioned
(well, sort of...), that is typically how progress is
If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the
original classification?
Things are reclassified all the time. Mount Egerton was originally classified
as a mesosiderite, it is now an aubrite. Yilmia was an EL5 and is now an EL6.
There are lots of other examples. As
Great post Doug,
Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept!
Dave F.
(who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would
like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a
paranoid schizophrenic!
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Hola Tom,
No one said you are
Knudson
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Great post Doug,
Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept!
Dave F.
(who is not proud tom
The authors of the MAPS paper wrote:
Based on our work, it seems clear that the metal-sulfide and even the
silicate portion of the meteorite was partly melted, suggesting that the
petrographic grade of Portales Valley is higher than six. Considering
this likely partial melt origin for PV, the H
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Hi Rob: I can't get anything put on the list so I thought I'd go through
another list member. Please forward to all list members.
Just a reminder Deep Impact is on schedule for a July 4th
Hello List,
Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled
by the classification of Portales Valley as an H6
ordinary chondrite. (See my article in the May 2001
issue of Meteorite, titled Portales Valley - A Not
So Ordinary (Ordinary Chondrite??)! In the recent
past, the classification
.
Looking forward to knowing more
Martin
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From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hello List,
Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled
by the classification
--
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hello
Hello List,
If you are interested in Portales Valley
Meteorites, you might want to check out my site at
(what else?): http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com
Some members have stated that they could not
remember how to get to my site. I apologize for it
being such a long
Hello List,
If you are interested in Portales Valley
Meteorites, you might want to check out my site at
(what else?): http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com
Some members have stated that they could not
remember how to get to my site. I apologize for it
being such a long
Hello List, I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary
chondrite because they were to lazy to make up a new classification? It
would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group instead
of being shoved into an already existing group.
I do not feel like we
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
this unique meteorite deserves it's own group insteadof being shoved into an already existing group.
What are your reasons?
GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
Hey, thanks to all the replies I received!
Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier
IMCA #6168
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Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Vally classification?
Hello List, I have
I'd guess that a particular "tailwind" is not required to make the situation you describe happen, as it impacts me as a bit too simple. The particles are not falling at the same rate (terminal velocity depends on mass, cross sectional area, their ratio and aerodynamics in general, so differing
Rex and List,
That's an interesting point Rex. I have seen that effect. One of my theories about Park Forest had been that it may have been a multi-stage breakup followed by a detonating main mass. Once breakoff pieces separate, they immediately lose energy to the process of seeking aerodynamic
Dear List,
To continue our musings on strewnfields, I'd like to firstclarify Adam's post earlier when he identified strewnfields as the fall pattern of meteorites that break upprior toimpact (Park Forest, etc.). This wouldbe fine with me but it suggests we need new/different terminology to
Does anyone have Robert Wollard's Portales Valley website URL?
Thanks...
Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038
Catch a Falling Star Meteoriteshttp://www.catchafallingstar.com
Hi Jim,
www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com
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Its :
http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/
I have write the portales when is exit in the market
the price it was to $35-40 grams, and for me is ok for
a special meteorite type Portales Valley - find
another similar meteorite - but after few years the
price is go to $12/gr. when the main mass is go cut.
The same is for Park Forest, now
Matteo,
Are you just now figuring out that there are several factors that affect
the value of anything that is collectable? Lots of factors have negatively
affected the prices of meteorites over the past few years. In contrast,
some people will say that the net effect was a GOOD one because
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M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
I remember when is exit the first Portales
pieces$35-40/gr. now is go to $12.5/gr. but this
is a very special
Matteo:
if someone ruin the
prices of market
I can't speak for anyone else, Matteo, but THIS phrase clearly identifies perhaps the major difference between your view of the meteorite market (or any market for that matter) and mine, which I'd guess is also shared by many on this list.
The
if someone ruin the
prices of market like already was done with the
lunars, martian and varied historical meteorites, make
losing money to who had invested grosses adds
Matteo - did a PERSON "ruin the prices".or did increased supply lower the prices? When DaG 262 first came onto the market,
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The fact that you assume that that a seller (or
several) even has the
capability of ruining the prices of a meteorite,
suggests that you think
that market prices are mostly controlled by the
seller. I think that prices
are mostly controlled by the buyer.
Regarding this whole discussion on the price of PF, and ANY OTHER meteorite.
There's a little thing we have in this (but not only this) country (i.e., USA)...it's
called CAPITALISM. And closely tied to capitalism is a little thing called supply
and demand.
Heyit may not be the best
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. I know many dealers have buy for high prices
and now have lost many money for this problem.
Yes. But when I buy shares in Microsoft or General Motors and the price goes down (true story ;-) I can't really complain to the corporation and ask for my money back, now
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. But when I buy shares in Microsoft or General
Motors and the price goes
down (true story ;-) I can't really complain to the
corporation and ask for
my money back, now can I? I can only sell it for
wherever the price goes, up
or down, and be a smarter
Hello List,
On 3-31-03, Mike Farmer posted in an email
Regarding Park Forest Orders:
This is a once in a century fall, so I am saying
that--- you will never see a gram for sale cheap,
and you will find that it will be like Portales
Valley, many people complained that it was too
expensive
Hello List,
On 3-31-03, Mike Farmer posted in an email
Regarding Park Forest Orders:
This is a once in a century fall, so I am saying
that--- you will never see a gram for sale cheap,
and you will find that it will be like Portales
Valley, many people complained that it was too
expensive
I remember when is exit the first Portales
pieces$35-40/gr. now is go to $12.5/gr. but this
is a very special meteorite, and have hit houses and
fall over a citythe same of Park Forestand the
total mass of Portales is many low.
Regards
Matteo
--- Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
I remember when is exit the first Portales
pieces$35-40/gr. now is go to $12.5/gr. but this
is a very special meteorite, and have hit houses and
fall over a citythe same of Park Forestand the
total mass of Portales is many low.
I don't
Wally wrote:
I'd trade my house, car and three cats
for a just a look at Portales Valley
Wally Cluett IMCA 9746
Hello Wally and List,
Check out Robert Woolard's website:
http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/
Best regards,
Bernd
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Hello All,
My sincere thanks to all of you who have previously
contacted me for your kind words about my site and
specimens, your helpful suggestions, your expressions
of happiness with your purchases, and your inquiries
in regard to any other meteorites I might have to
offer.
I have just
Good Evening List Members,
I recently received a very nice metal rich (including veins) 20.86g part
slice of PV. I was amazed at how much Trolite is evident in the specimen. In
looking at it with a 10x Loupe, I noticed some dark blue colored material
which appeared crystalline in nature. Is
So far only 1 person has come forward to let me know who has portales
valley for sale. I'm looking for a 20 to 40 gran slice with rich metal
veins. who has some??? let me know.
steve arnold, chicago!
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Subject: [meteorite-list] portales anyone
So far only 1 person has come forward to let me know who has portales
valley for sale. I'm looking for a 20 to 40 gran slice with rich metal
veins. who has some??? let me know.
steve arnold
have some
difficulty in acquiring a
piece.
Mike Farmer
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So far only 1 person has come forward to let
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:59:44 -0700
Hello Ron and all,
The following link is a closs-up
wanna know more- anybady got GOOD PIX? is there a difference between big metal areas and stone? do big metal areas have a sikhote-like crust? or is it all just a mix?Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com.
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crust
I have a slice about 1/4 inch thick. The crust is a
typical stony meteorite crust but is identical over the metal phase as
well.
Hello Ron, Harlan, and list,
I was fortunate enough to find the 34Kg main mass
of Portales Valley and will offer my observations on
the question about the crust.
The appearance of the crust varies a fair amount
from spot to spot over the piece. In some areas,it is
fairly weak and very
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Dear Dave and list
I like your Portales story, it is my favorite also. If any of you are
interested I have decided to quickly put together
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I have no idea.. Harlan.. how??
Rosie
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Subject: [meteorite-list] portales
how do YOU think portales got formed?
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how do YOU think portales got formed?
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Rhett Bourland wrote:
My 8 cents
Hello Rhett and List,
Those 8 cents are well spent :-)
I also know there are large sections of iron in this chondrite that are
unlike any other meteorite out there. These large sections of irons will
display a Widmanstatten like most iron meteorites when
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, David Freeman wrote:
Dear Rhett, Harlan, and List;
My portales story is...the neatest piece that I saw was half buried in a
living chunk of asphalt!
...as opposed to a DEAD chunk of asphalt?? :-) Still, cool story.
Tracy Latimer
Coming Soon to a theater near you:
Monolith Monsters VS The Living Asphalt
You will never drive at night again!
You will wonder at every bump in the Road!
What is waiting for YOU around the next curve?
Starring Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford, Kathleen Turnover,
and
LOL Zeppieare you trying to tell us
something??
How much are these again?
Rosie
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Hello List...
In my opinion
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