Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Link;
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 Michael Blood via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
wrote: 
> Please keep political pronouncements off this list - especially pretending
> It has to do with meteorites, their recovery or some other form of
> propaganda.
> Sincerely,
> Michael Blood
> 
> 
> On 2/12/16 9:58 PM, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   Our freedoms have been horribly eroded in the last few years, especially 
> > in
> > the last 7 years.  People just let it happen and don't complain unless it
> > directly, and seriously affects them.  It is now affecting the meteorite
> > hunter's ability to hunt for meteorites, and that affects us all, including
> > the modest collector.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com> on behalf
> > of Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:25 PM
> > To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres 
> > Of
> > Land Off-limits
> > 
> > This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  
> > 82
> > year old
> > Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on
> > everything!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
> >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> >> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> >> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
> >> 
> >> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> >> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> >> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> >> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> >> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> >> degrees.
> >> 
> >> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> >> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> >> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> >> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> >> not, but they all suck.
> >> 
> >> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> >> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> >> treatment every four years.
> >> 
> >> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> >> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> >> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> >> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> >> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> >> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> >> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> >> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> >> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> >> the resources they govern.
> >> 
> >> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> >> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> >> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> >> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> >> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> >> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> >> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> >> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> >> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> >> hands dirty.
> >> 
> >> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
> >> 
> >> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> >> People are gettin

Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Please keep political pronouncements off this list - especially pretending
It has to do with meteorites, their recovery or some other form of
propaganda.
Sincerely,
Michael Blood


On 2/12/16 9:58 PM, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
wrote:

> 
>   Our freedoms have been horribly eroded in the last few years, especially in
> the last 7 years.  People just let it happen and don't complain unless it
> directly, and seriously affects them.  It is now affecting the meteorite
> hunter's ability to hunt for meteorites, and that affects us all, including
> the modest collector.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com> on behalf
> of Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:25 PM
> To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of
> Land Off-limits
> 
> This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82
> year old
> Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on
> everything!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
>> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
>> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
>> 
>> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
>> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
>> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
>> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
>> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
>> degrees.
>> 
>> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
>> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
>> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
>> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
>> not, but they all suck.
>> 
>> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
>> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
>> treatment every four years.
>> 
>> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
>> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
>> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
>> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
>> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
>> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
>> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
>> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
>> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
>> the resources they govern.
>> 
>> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
>> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
>> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
>> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
>> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
>> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
>> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
>> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
>> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
>> hands dirty.
>> 
>> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
>> 
>> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
>> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
>> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
>> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
>> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
>> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
>> that's how it is.
>> 
>> [/rant]
>> 
>> Best regards and happy huntings,
>> 
>> MikeG
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> Where I g

Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

I fully agree with you Darryl.

I wish a whole lot more land was off-limits to developers and trespassers of 
any kind.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
To: Raremeteorites 
Cc: meteorite-list 
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 9:41 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Barack Hussein Obama Places Over 265 Million 
Acres Of Land Off-limits


Hi, 

While I take your point and understand your frustration, you've violated the 
most fundamental canon of journalistic ethics by extracting a passage from a 
publication which you've represented as a quote—but a quote which you've 
modified. 

Your gratuitous addition of the president's middle name is a point I do not 
take to at all:  bigotry is not welcome here. 




On Feb 12, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> Dear List Member,
> 
> Barrack Hussein Obama has added another 1.8 million acres of land to the his 
> running total of 265 million acres that are now completely off limits to 
> mineral hunting of any sort which includes meteorites.
> 
> Highlights:
> 
> "With his second term winding down, Barrack Hussein Obama has now protected 
> more than 265 million acres of land and water, more than any other 
> administration. A year ago, Obama designated much of the Angeles National 
> Forest as the San Gabriel Mountains National Monument."
> 
> "Concern over the long-term health of the deceptively delicate terrain 
> spurred Obama to designate the Mojave Trails, Sand to Snow and Castle 
> Mountains monuments under the 1906 Antiquities Act, which authorizes 
> presidents to create national monuments on federal land to protect "objects 
> of historic and scientific interest."
> 
> Link to article:
> 
> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-me-monuments-20160212-story.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  Our freedoms have been horribly eroded in the last few years, especially in 
the last 7 years.  People just let it happen and don't complain unless it 
directly, and seriously affects them.  It is now affecting the meteorite 
hunter's ability to hunt for meteorites, and that affects us all, including the 
modest collector. 




From: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com> on behalf of 
Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:25 PM
To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of 
Land Off-limits

This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82 
year old
Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on 
everything!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
>
> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> degrees.
>
> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> not, but they all suck.
>
> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> treatment every four years.
>
> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> the resources they govern.
>
> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> hands dirty.
>
> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
>
> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
> that's how it is.
>
> [/rant]
>
> Best regards and happy huntings,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
>> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble
>>
>> when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?"
>> instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do
>> not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without
>>
>> public input.
>>
>> Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor
>>
>> is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave
>> Desert.
>

Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list]

Yup, I have written to the Feinstein camp many times over the years
in opposition of Sand to Snow, Mojave Trail, and Castle Mountains as
National Monuments.  The real issues had nothing to do with
"preservation", but that's how it was spun to the general public.  Of
course, who's going to argue with that?

If George Carlin taught me anything it was to never trust anything
your government tells you, ever.  All you will find about these new
monuments is positive press, the truths spoken at every single public
hearing have been buried and forgotten.  If you have "blm" in your
search, such as a Google search for "ca new blm land news" you won't
find a single link related to this. It's a bunch of horseshit.

This is my backyard, well it was anyway.  The 4x4 groups that get
slandered in the press did more in the name of conservation and
preservation than the BLM ever did and ever will.

-Michael in so. Cal.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82 
> year old
> Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on 
> everything!
>
> Sent from my iPad
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[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82 
year old
Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on 
everything!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
> 
> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> degrees.
> 
> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> not, but they all suck.
> 
> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> treatment every four years.
> 
> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> the resources they govern.
> 
> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> hands dirty.
> 
> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
> 
> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
> that's how it is.
> 
> [/rant]
> 
> Best regards and happy huntings,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
>> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble
>> 
>> when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?"
>> instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do
>> not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without
>> 
>> public input.
>> 
>> Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor
>> 
>> is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave
>> Desert.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
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[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they 
use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble 
when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?" 
instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do 
not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without 
public input.


Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor 
is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave 
Desert.


Best,

Adam 



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[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.

But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
degrees.

What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
not, but they all suck.

Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
treatment every four years.

I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
the resources they govern.

So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
hands dirty.

That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)

PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
that's how it is.

[/rant]

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG


On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble
>
> when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?"
> instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do
> not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without
>
> public input.
>
>  Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor
>
> is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave
> Desert.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
>
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