Re: [uf-discuss] hMood/hPresence?

2007-02-02 Thread Frances Berriman
On 31/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes As for an activity (if this is what you may be suggesting by presense), the same would apply (is currently a href=http://www.wikipedia.com/skydiving; rel=tagsky diving/a

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Colin Barrett
On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's action is about as valid as saying the American public had a say in George Bush's recent troop increase. You are treading dangerously close to invoking Godwin's Law[1] here, and a number of

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread David Janes
On 2/2/07, Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's action is about as valid as saying the American public had a say in George Bush's recent troop increase. You are treading dangerously close

Re: [uf-discuss] Species microformat process

2007-02-02 Thread Colin Barrett
On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Charles Roper wrote: What does the community feel should be the focus for species at present? Now that I know that the analysis of existing practice is about the existing *content* rather than existing *markup*, That's not entirely true. Existing markup plays a

[uf-discuss] XMDP Profile for hCalendar

2007-02-02 Thread Danny Ayers
I needed a profile URI for hCalendar for use with GRDDL, but there wasn't even a profile. There was a list of terms [1] on the microformats wiki, so using DanC's hCard profile [2] as a template I've made a first draft [3]. I've no idea how complete or accurate the list of terms is, though

Re: [uf-discuss] Hello World or How do I get started with the process?

2007-02-02 Thread Frances Berriman
On 27/01/07, Derrick Lyndon Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone that hasn't met me: I'm a software engineer at a search company. (However, nothing I say on this list is on behalf of or reflects the views of my company.) For anyone that has met me: yes, I finally signed up. (I'll no longer

Re: [uf-discuss] Species microformat process

2007-02-02 Thread Charles Roper
On 02/02/07, Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Charles Roper wrote: What does the community feel should be the focus for species at present? Now that I know that the analysis of existing practice is about the existing *content* rather than existing *markup*,

RE: [uf-discuss] hMood/hPresence?

2007-02-02 Thread Goix Laurent Walter
Andy, Ben, Agreed that Presence interop issue can lead to endless metaphysical discussions and is out of scope here. As both of you pointed out, the proposal is simply for better formalizing self-expression in HTML content, in particular regarding moods and activities. This is already useful

Re: [uf-discuss] [hCite] call for examples: language

2007-02-02 Thread Brian Suda
On 2/1/07, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if the evidence confirms my suspicion that it's really rare to need to mark up the language of (for example) the book separately from the language of the words in the book's title, then can we just say that the language is inferred from

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 2/2/07, Derrick Lyndon Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except it does need it. Say you put your del.icio.us (or otherwise) feed on your page and want to include it and the associated tags as xFolk entries. How can a generic rel-tag parser know that the xFolk entires don't apply to the current

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Brian Suda
On 2/2/07, Derrick Lyndon Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take the example of a dead relative: there is no way to put a family tree with relatives you need to tag as deceased on your own page without a document level parser concluding that you are dead. --- that is not true, you are not

Re: [uf-discuss] [hCite] call for examples: language

2007-02-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/bb/70-465.htm Nice, those are good examples Thank you. - they do mark up the language of the citation itself, but don't mention the language of the cited object

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Derrick Lyndon Pallas
Brian Suda wrote: Does that make sense? That's what I get for using someone else's example. Still, no one has responded to the more fundamental concern that rel-tag is not reusable for things like lists of bookmarks. (Or does someone really find it helpful that a page has content about X can

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Derrick Lyndon Pallas
Ciaran McNulty wrote: The tag applying to the page just means that there's something on the page relevant to that tag. And there is - the del.icio.us feed! The tag applies to the link; not the content, and certainly not the whole contents of the page. If I search for pages with tag foo and a

RE: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Joe Andrieu
Colin Barrett wrote: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:05 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation] On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's action is about as valid

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Brian Suda
On 2/2/07, Derrick Lyndon Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, no one has responded to the more fundamental concern that rel-tag is not reusable for things like lists of bookmarks. --- i think the issue might be with what you WANT rel-tag to be and what it is? at the moment rel-tag would say

[uf-discuss] Re: Moderation Governance

2007-02-02 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Joe, On Feb 2, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Third, although few people like a gadfly, it appears that my efforts are making some sort of difference, as evidenced by the IRC above and changes to the wiki. Following Ben's argument, all evidence suggests my opposition is working.

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Michael McCracken
On 2/2/07, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/07, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to be clear here. This is not about a witch hunt or empty rebellion. The leadership has NO external checks and balances. Even the most private non-profit organization in the united states

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Moderation Governance

2007-02-02 Thread Benjamin West
* http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q:_Who_controls_microformats.3F * http://microformats.org/wiki/issues#Governance_Issues I would also like to revive the idea of a meta-discuss list to handle governance and other non-technical issues. This appears to be off-topic for the current wiki page on

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Martin Owens
On 02/02/07, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe anyone has said they are only willing to participate in the -admin list secretly. But a few haven't said anything at all, I assume because they're busy people. I expect they'll be happy to add their names to the public

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Benjamin West
On 2/2/07, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/02/07, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe anyone has said they are only willing to participate in the -admin list secretly. But a few haven't said anything at all, I assume because they're busy people. I expect

Re: [uf-discuss] Vote on this: rel=me self to indicate an authoritative hCard

2007-02-02 Thread John Allsopp
Andy, (apologies for the tardiness, I'm in one of those old fashioned, unconnected airomoplanes) me self can't be anything but tautological; nor is it appropriate when referring to third parties. so: in English, it is tautological. But restricting the words to their roles in XFN and

Re: [uf-discuss] Authenticity of Authoritative hCard (was: Re: Vote on this: rel=me self to indicate an authoritative hCard)

2007-02-02 Thread John Allsopp
Andy, vCard has the property key - and so too does therefore hCard. vCard defines key (more or less, no cnnection this moment to quote directly) Specifies the public key or authentication certificate associated with the entity the vcard represents thanks j On 31/01/2007, at 8:41 AM,

Re: [uf-discuss] Authenticity of Authoritative hCard (was: Re: Vote on this: rel=me self to indicate an authoritative hCard)

2007-02-02 Thread Ara Pehlivanian
On 2/1/07, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vCard has the property key - and so too does therefore hCard. vCard defines key (more or less, no cnnection this moment to quote directly) Specifies the public key or authentication certificate associated with the entity the vcard represents So

Re: [uf-discuss] Should microformat features (like rel-tag) have explicit scope?

2007-02-02 Thread Derrick Lyndon Pallas
Brian Suda wrote: I get the feeling you want both the rel-tag and bookmark spiders to index it in the exact same way? At the moment this is NOT how rel-tag works. Do you have a specific use-case or URL you want us to look at? otherwise we should stay away from hypothetical what ifs. No, I

[uf-discuss] [rel-tag] File extensions (was Re: Operator AUMP bugs...)

2007-02-02 Thread Ben Buchanan
Hi all, Just pulling this out to a new thread, since it's a bit buried and confusing where it was. I'm pretty sure I'm doing the right thing here: - the last path component [1] - ignore trailing slashes [2] ... Personally, but not off topic, when I create web pages I prefer never to show

[uf-discuss] Re: [hCite] call for examples: language (Andy Mabbett)

2007-02-02 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Feb 2, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I may be rare, but it does happen. Mein Kampf in English is still titled Mein Kampf So if the evidence confirms my suspicion that it's really rare to need to mark up the language of (for example) the book separately from the language of the