Re: [uf-discuss] Multimedia captions microformat?

2007-02-20 Thread Jens Meiert
is there any work in progress concerning multimedia captions http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-examples http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-brainstorming http://microformats.org/wiki/media-metadata-examples http://microformats.org/wiki/video-metadata-model Isn't that just too

Re: [uf-discuss] Multimedia captions microformat?

2007-02-20 Thread David Janes
On 2/19/07, Jens Meiert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If not, I'll announce an initial microformat draft within the next one, two weeks. More on that later and as long as there are no objections. Hi Jens, Before you announce a microformat-draft, please have a look at the process [1] and save

Re: [uf-discuss] Multimedia captions microformat?

2007-02-20 Thread Frances Berriman
On 20/02/07, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also to understand that the mailing list microformats-new is for discussing new microformats, though damned if I can remember ever getting any mail from there (?) That's correct [1]. The list is up and running (I'm receiving discussions

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritative hCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) more authoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel=me self to indicate anauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-20 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Ryan King wrote: And if the uid is not an url, then authors can't assert authority, correct? I'm not even considering authority for now. We need to just deal with related hCards first. I'm no longer clear on

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritativehCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) moreauthoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel=me self to indicateanauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-20 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Ryan King wrote: On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Ryan King wrote: First off, I'm not saying we should constrain UID to be a URL, but in the case that it *is* a URL, we can apply these semantics. And if the uid is not an url,

[uf-discuss] related hCards

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 20, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Ryan King wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Ryan King wrote: And if the uid is not an url, then authors can't assert authority, correct? I'm not even considering authority for now. We need to just deal

[uf-discuss] Re: VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritativehCard

2007-02-20 Thread Edward O'Connor
Scott Reynen wrote: FWIW, at Eventful we have a clear need for related hCards, a need which is currently well-served by URL+UID. So there is some market demand. But do you need related hCards other than authoritative hCards? We're not using URL+UID for any kind of authoritative

[uf-discuss] Identity-related hCards?

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Ryan King wrote: However, the simpler problem of two hcards representing the same person (or organization) should be solved first, because it is a simpler problem, with a simpler solution (which may not require adding any properties to hCard). The implication

[uf-discuss] [hcite] date-published

2007-02-20 Thread Michael McCracken
From Bruce D'Arcus on the wiki: I've mentioned more than once that date-published is misleadingly specific; too much for real world citations. Consider that many books are published in the year preceding their copyright date, which is in fact the date used for citation. I'd prefer just date and

Re: [uf-discuss] [hcite] date-published

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Suda
On 2/20/07, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone against changing 'date-published' to 'date'? --- the questions is what is the semantics of 'date'? if you create 'date' and use it the date published/updated/copyrighted/etc then those all have different semantics. -brian --

[uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Thom Shannon
Hi, Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined this list and couldn't find what I was looking for on the wiki. Are there any particular conventions emerging for embedding an OpenID into a hCard? The openid-brainstorming page mentions using hCard on providers profile pages etc,

Re: [uf-discuss] [hcite] date-published

2007-02-20 Thread Michael McCracken
On 2/20/07, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone against changing 'date-published' to 'date'? --- the questions is what is the semantics of 'date'? if you create 'date' and use it the date published/updated/copyrighted/etc then

Re: [uf-discuss] [hcite] date-published

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Suda
On 2/20/07, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A quick scan through the markup examples we have confirms my impression that most examples from the web are equally vague about what the dates they show mean. Our condensed summaries on -examples often describe them as date-published, but

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread John Panzer
Thom Shannon wrote: Hi, Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined this list and couldn't find what I was looking for on the wiki. Are there any particular conventions emerging for embedding an OpenID into a hCard? The openid-brainstorming page mentions using

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Mike Kaply
The problem here is that there is concept of types in URLS All parsers see is multiple URLS. We don't know which is the openid URL... Mike Kaply On 2/20/07, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom Shannon wrote: Hi, Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Thom Shannon
but surely we can just use a class like microformats do to apply types to other elements? either that or a rel? Mike Kaply wrote: The problem here is that there is concept of types in URLS All parsers see is multiple URLS. We don't know which is the openid URL... Mike Kaply On

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Thom Shannon
I think it should also be possible to use openIDs in other elements than just anchors. You don't necessarily want to link to them, it's the url itself which is important not the location. It should also support none canonical urls so they can be written in the way users expect, we don't want

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 20, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Thom Shannon wrote: Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined this list and couldn't find what I was looking for on the wiki. Are there any particular conventions emerging for embedding an OpenID into a hCard? The openid-brainstorming page

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread John Panzer
Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Thom Shannon wrote: Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined this list and couldn't find what I was looking for on the wiki. Are there any particular conventions emerging for embedding an OpenID into a hCard? The

Re: [uf-discuss] [hcite] date-published

2007-02-20 Thread Tim White
Mike said: From Bruce D'Arcus on the wiki: I've mentioned more than once that date-published is misleadingly specific; too much for real world citations. Consider that many books are published in the year preceding their copyright date, which is in fact the date used for citation. I'd prefer just

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread anders conbere
On 2/20/07, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it should also be possible to use openIDs in other elements than just anchors. You don't necessarily want to link to them, it's the url itself which is important not the location. It should also support none canonical urls so they can be

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Christopher St John
On 2/20/07, anders conbere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It derives it's meaning and value from the use of the global DNS system, regardless if you're actually looking to direct traffic to your openID or not, it's the nature of it being an anchor that gives it power. Check out the 2.0 spec. There

[uf-discuss] Cross-network identification (Was: OpenID)

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:56 PM, John Panzer wrote: Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Thom Shannon wrote: Forgive me if this is going over old ground, I just joined this list and couldn't find what I was looking for on the wiki. Are there any particular conventions emerging for

Re: [uf-discuss] OpenID

2007-02-20 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Christopher, On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Christopher St John wrote: Check out the 2.0 spec. There are some changes: http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0-11.html It introduces XRI into the mix (think brand new, non-DNS naming system) Wouldn't expect it to work so well in an a

Re: [uf-discuss] Cross-network identification (Was: OpenID)

2007-02-20 Thread John Panzer
Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:56 PM, John Panzer wrote: Scott Reynen wrote: ... Here's the purpose of UID from vCard: To specify a value that represents a globally unique identifier corresponding to the individual or resource associated with the vCard. So if two hCards