Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes not least because the alternative: foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo would be optimised (sic) to have a given name of Pink and a family name of Floyd. I don't disagree that groups/bands should be considered

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 00:13, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree that groups/bands should be considered organisations. This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as organisations:

[uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
The change made recently, to the hCard spec: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsingdiff=nextoldid=25563 affects not only hCard but also other microformats; it has implications for both current parsers and published microformats, but seems to have been made without prior notification

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote: This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as organisations: http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg07887.html

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:55 +, Michael Smethurst wrote: Agreed. The problem also arises with artists like Eminem, Madonna, Prince. How is fn optimisation supposed to work here? As we find a lot in music your above examples are people and Organizations. How it appears, I would guess is how

Re: [uf-discuss] Auto Discovery of XFN

2008-02-07 Thread Thom Shannon
Can someone please enlighten me as to the correct values for this type link above? It depends on the implementation but basically you want to link to another page and say that it is also you, using rel=me. The easiest way to get your xfn links links detected by Googles Social Graph API is to

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Manu Sporny
Thom Shannon wrote: perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Here's the IRC log regarding the change to the wiki: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2008-02-07#T010220 I agree with the change -

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, February 7, 2008 15:37, Scott Reynen wrote: On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense

[uf-discuss] hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Brandon Richards
I've been thinking about how to create a standard structure to format a post within a publishing system and I was looking for a microformat and was wondering if the hentry as used on posts on microformats.org is a proposed spec and if there are any other examples? Would this be important in

Re: [uf-discuss] hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread David Janes
Q1. yes Q2. yes Q3. don't know Here's the spec: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom Regards, etc... On Feb 7, 2008 12:43 PM, Brandon Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking about how to create a standard structure to format a post within a publishing system and I was looking for a

[uf-discuss] hCard AGENT example parsing implications explained (was re: change ...)

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/08 7:14 AM, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Yes, this is from a long time ago, may even predate microformats.org. It's not a change except in

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, February 7, 2008 14:33, Michael Smethurst wrote: At the time Scott Reynen suggested: snip If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 11:59, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote: This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as organisations:

[uf-discuss] Re: hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Edward O'Connor
Brandon wrote: and was wondering if the hentry as used on posts on microformats.org is a proposed spec and if there are any other examples? Would this be http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom -- Edward O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: It invalidates the need for mfo in hcard, doesn't it? If it were applied to the rest of Microformats, it would invalidate the need for mfo entirely. Not exactly. As hober said in IRC: # [02:17:12] hober just to quickly clarify, the

[uf-discuss] hCard issue: is n optional or mandatory.

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
The hCard spec says: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_Notes The 'n' property is OPTIONAL if any implied 'n' optimization rules are in effect. suggesting that it is mandatory otherwise, while the cheatsheet:

[uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 2/7/08 7:14 AM, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Yes, this is from a long

Re: [uf-discuss] Fragment identifiers in hCard links

2008-02-07 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote: Hi: I have multiple hCards on one page (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mndm/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp blocked::http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mndm/mines/lands/pro/ contact_e.asp ). I created a unique ID for each div class=vcard so that the

[uf-discuss] need for mfo / encapsulation / forward-compatible parsing (was re: changes...)

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/08 10:08 AM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It invalidates the need for mfo in hcard, doesn't it? If it were applied to the rest of Microformats, it would invalidate the need for mfo entirely. This is one of the reasons mfo has not progressed much further than the examples given

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Brandon Richards
Ok so hatom, but I suppose what I'm missing is the multiple pages of content that belong to the same entry. For portability sake, how do the other pages of content get linked or associated without having to actually include all of the content within one page? Sorry this just isn't clear to me. *

[uf-discuss] Fragment identifiers in hCard links

2008-02-07 Thread Rickards, Julian (NDM)
Hi: I have multiple hCards on one page (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mndm/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp blocked::http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mndm/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp ). I created a unique ID for each div class=vcard so that the link beside each one

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to consider even an individual performer's name to be

[uf-discuss] [admin] please keep hAudio discussions on microformats-new

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
Since hAudio is still much more of a new microformat in development rather than a current microformat that people are simply asking about how to use, please keep discussions about it on the microformats-new list. Thanks, Tantek ___

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Thom Shannon
perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Andy Mabbett wrote: The change made recently, to the hCard spec: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsingdiff=nextoldid=25563 affects not only

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes not least because the alternative: foo class=fnPink Floyd/foo would be optimised (sic) to have a given name of Pink and a family name of Floyd. I don't disagree that groups/bands should be

Re: [uf-discuss] hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brandon Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've been thinking about how to create a standard structure to format a post within a publishing system and I was looking for a microformat That would be hAtom: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom though you seem to

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On the topic of whether this should have had wider discussion, I thought it was well established long ago that the properties of an AGENT hCard are not inherited by the container hCard, so I don't see anything really

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Thom Shannon wrote: perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Here's the IRC log regarding the change to the wiki:

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, February 7, 2008 15:46, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Sorry if I misinterpreted: I'm not a native english speaker. Doesn't not least because [reason] means that [reason] is not the least reason, i.e. a strong one? Literally, yes, but in colloquial use it can mean not the weakest, but far

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On the topic of whether this should have had wider discussion, I thought it was well established long ago that the properties of an AGENT hCard are not inherited by the container hCard, so I don't see anything really changing here. The

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 7/2/08 15:30, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, February 7, 2008 14:33, Michael Smethurst wrote: Not sure I follow. The hcard wiki page says nickname optimisation happens when FN and ORG are not the same, and the value of the FN property is exactly one word. What would:

[uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On the topic of whether this should have had wider discussion, I thought it was well established long ago that the properties of an AGENT hCard are not inherited by the container

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Brandon Richards wrote: For portability sake, how do the other pages of content get linked or associated without having to actually include all of the content within one page? rel=next and rel=prev [1] can be used to describe these kind of relationships between

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: added: Similarly, parsers should treat nested [[hCalendar]], [[hReview]], [[hResume]] [[xFolk]] in the same way, properties inside them {{must}} only apply to the nested microformat, not to the containing microformat.

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread David Janes
This would be a lot more clearer if you showed an example on the web. Regards, etc... On Feb 7, 2008 3:47 PM, Brandon Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so hatom, but I suppose what I'm missing is the multiple pages of content that belong to the same entry. For portability sake, how do the