RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some way to indicate the microformats are available on the page that doesn't offend page authors. How can we accomplish this? I second the opinion that this is a design issue and therefore should be handled by css in some way. This would

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Pelle W
Farndon, Tony skrev: 2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some way to indicate the microformats are available on the page that doesn't offend page authors. How can we accomplish this? I second the opinion that this is a design issue and therefore should be handled by css in

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
If something should add anything it should be added by a javascript... CSS is frequently used to *add* and place onto a page, be it a background image, a border, etc What I am saying is rather than add say, a background image, you use CSS to add/place a microformat icon. How this icon behaves

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread André Luís
Hello everyone. Great work thus far.. just want to drop my 2cents. 1) I don't think Dimitri's text was very clear on this aspect in particular, but I believe it would improve the UXP and still give control to the publisher. Why not mixing the suggestion of dimitry (which seems like a very

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
To try and give where I am coming from some context, this is how I see it all working in my head: FF3 has a set of (3?) methods for alerting/displaying/provding actions for uF 1) An Operator style toolbar 2) An Operator Style status icon 3) Within the content of the page (+1 and then some for

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Jason Karns
On 9/5/07, André Luís [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. - when the user hovers on the margin-mark, the user-agent should 'target' to the (root?) element (like what's done with the #anchor in urls) and that would allow the publishers to specify the looks/highlight accordingly. Like:

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
Thanks for the comments on the margin-marks concept. I sincerely appreciate that. I really like the idea of allowing additional control over presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that :target isn't quite right, at least if we follow the spec to the letter

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
Thanks for the comments on the margin-marks concept. I sincerely appreciate that. Credit where credit is due! I really like the idea of allowing additional control over presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that :target isn't quite right, at least if we follow the spec to

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread André Luís
Dimitri, That was exactly why I suggested :target instead of :focus. I think ufs shouldn't _require_ links or other focus-eable elements. And I'm with you with the worries on pushing the meaning of the spec... is there a more meaningful alternative I don't know about? And I'm with Tony (and

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
And I'm with Tony (and others) on the protocol approach. I should, however, add that I do have one concern about the protocol approach; it does not degrade gracefully. Users of FF2, or IE7 or Safari etc will just get a big old unknown protocol error. This is easily countered by the designer

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Pelle W
Farndon, Tony wrote: And I'm with Tony (and others) on the protocol approach. I should, however, add that I do have one concern about the protocol approach; it does not degrade gracefully. Users of FF2, or IE7 or Safari etc will just get a big old unknown protocol error. This is easily

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
Alex Faaborg wrote a clever mail about this earlier and presented a few issues and a few possibilites related to protocols. It was then discussed that perhaps there should be one protocl for each microformat? That would if so enable different programs to easily take care of different

[uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
I think some folks here are missing the point in the Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion. We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do with microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell you what we are going to do. This is a very difficult problem to solve and we need input on it.

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread André Luís
Ok Mike. Thanks for clearing it up. I'd like to know one thing... Have you discussed the option of using the notification box as a first notification to the user of the presence of microformats in the current page and _there_ provide a button to reveal them? I've searched but found nothing

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread David Mead
Mike, I must say the way I'm using Operator in Flock Firefox at the moment (using the auto-hide function for the toolbar) is working well for me. I think one way to go is to utilize the same functionality as the this site wants to open pop-up windows that Firefox has. A small toolbar-like

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
On 9/4/07, David Mead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to see a new button in the URL bar, like Flock has for when there is RSS, media streams or a SE plugin on the page. That is one feature of the new Flock I find I'm using a lot now. Note that Operator does have a URL button option in

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On 9/4/07, Mike Kaply [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think some folks here are missing the point in the Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion. We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do with microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell you what we are going to do. This is a very

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Manu Sporny
Dimitri Glazkov wrote: This is not particularly transient, but it addresses #2, methinks: http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/ Mike, Alex - I think you should take a very serious look at Dimitri's Margin Marks idea. Check out the screen mock-ups here:

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Alex Faaborg
I really like this idea, I just forward the post and mockups to the rest of our UX team and our lead engineer. This is not particularly transient If the margin marks bar only appeared on pages with recognized content, then I think this would certainly count as being transient. Or, to

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
On 9/4/07, Alex Faaborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like this idea, I just forward the post and mockups to the rest of our UX team and our lead engineer. I agree with Alex. This is a really great idea. Thanks for posting. Mike ___