Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-05 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes you don't need to have lat/long to get distance. There are plenty of services for translating human readable addresses into machine readable values. But with much less

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I consider lat/long data as opaque metadata, which is likely to fall victim to the same problems as hidden metadata. That rather depends on who's maintaining the data, and why. We should allow those who are capable of being-,

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 2, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Or the capacity to describe a polygon... I call the 80/20 rule into effect here. Fine, I'm

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, you're missing the point. No, I'm not. If If That's not a point, that's a conditional

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes you don't need to have lat/long to get distance. There are plenty of services for translating human readable addresses into machine readable values. But with much less accuracy than lat/ long -- Andy Mabbett Say

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Colin Barrett
On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, you're missing the point. No, I'm not. If

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Instead of criticizing the structure of his argument, why not reply to the content? Perhaps you missed th fact that I did. Minimally, at best. So, first you insinuate that I did not reply to the content, then you

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Or the capacity to describe a polygon... I call the 80/20 rule into effect here. Fine, I'm confident that more than 80% of countries,

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes consider this URL: http://flickr.com/map/?tag=yankeestadiumfLat=40.828081fLon= - 73.920821zl=7 That's showing a blank page, with just a Flickr header, for me. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards:

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Colin Barrett
On Oct 3, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Your pedantry is becoming quite grating. Someone once wrote that 'Pedant' is what people who care about accuracy are called, by people who don't Don't you think that pedantry is important, when considering matters relating to specifications

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Kevin Marks
You'll need a Flash-compatible browser - their geotagging is Flash-based at the moment. (we'd better get HTML-defining and evangelising to convert our Flickr friends) On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There is a great difference between concern for accuracy and pedantry. If you cannot make that distinction, then well, I honestly don't have anything more to say to you. Every cloud has a sliver lining. I'd appreciate it if

[uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Michael MD
Is there a way to specify the accuracy of latitude/longitude? Some information (such as data used for street maps) would obviously have to be as accurate as possible but there would be other cases where it would be useful to just be able specify that something is in a certain city and easily

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Is there a way to specify the accuracy of latitude/longitude? Yes - the number of decimal places given. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data:

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Andrew Turner
Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Is there a way to specify the accuracy of latitude/longitude? Yes - the number of decimal places given. The question seems a little fuzzy. I assume Michael meant accuracy of the coordinates, so

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes A center of a city may be fairly accurate, with the bounds of the city specified as a radius. Consider Birmingham, England, whose centre is far from being equidistant to all points on its boundary - it's in Ladywood on this

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Or the capacity to describe a polygon... I call the 80/20 rule into effect here. Fine, I'm confident that more than 80% of countries, counties, towns, cities, gardens, parks, nature reserves, and industrial estates are

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
Andy, you're missing the point. A bare lat-long pair is not always helpful. If that's all you have, you can't really display a useful map. The existing mapping tools tend to use product-specific ways of specifying the degree of zoom needed, to distinguish between the right side of my desk,

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Michael MD wrote: Is there a way to specify the accuracy of latitude/longitude? I suspect you actually mean 'precision' not 'accuracy', no? ... I don't think the character of the resource being described is enough. What do you mean by 'character of the

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Or the capacity to describe a polygon... I call the 80/20 rule into effect here. Fine, I'm confident that more than 80% of countries, counties, towns, cities, gardens, parks, nature reserves, and industrial estates are

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Michael MD wrote: Not really, if it's a large city... Consider Birmingham, England, whose centre is far from being equidistant to all points on its boundary - it's in Ladywood on this map: http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/wards GeoRSS uses a radius element,

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:24 PM, Kevin Marks wrote: On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Chris Casciano wrote: You could outline any territory as a series of geos if the need ever arose. But I'm still not clear how we've gotten here. If I want to say something is in Ireland, or Mexico City or somewhere

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Michael MD
Is there a way to specify the accuracy of latitude/longitude? I suspect you actually mean 'precision' not 'accuracy', no? yes pecision is probably closer to what I meant I don't think the character of the resource being described is enough. What do you mean by 'character of the

Re: [uf-discuss] geo - accuracy of coordinates

2006-10-02 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 2, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Michael MD wrote: Use adr [http://microformats.org/wiki/adr], or hcard [mfwhttp:// microformats.org/wiki/hcard]. and yes I will use those too, where appropriate.. but to get an idea of how far something is from something else I would need to use lat/long