Re: [uf-discuss] I have filled in the hCalendar profile page; please check for accuracy

2007-01-03 Thread Brian Suda
On 1/1/07, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, I have filled in the hCalendar profile page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-profile Hopefully I have done it correctly. Please check it for accuracy. --- that is a good start, have a look at the hCard profile[1] it

Re: [uf-discuss] tagging in hCalendar hCard

2007-01-03 Thread Brian Suda
On 1/1/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'wiki' page on xFolk: http://microformats.org/wiki/xFolk says: If you need to define tags as part of a more specialised format, rel=tag is the recommended way to do so, and xFolk, hReview, hCard and hCalendar

Re: Scope of tags (Was: [uf-discuss] rel=nsfw)

2007-01-03 Thread Brian Suda
On 1/1/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Suppose Sue publishes a family tree as a series of web pages, one for each person. On her own page, she has: http://example.com/sue.html Title: Sue Smith

Re: [uf-discuss] Conference Schedule Creator

2007-01-03 Thread Brian Suda
On 1/3/07, Dmitry Baranovskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link: http://dmitry.baranovskiy.com/work/csc/ --- very cool! i´ll play around with this and see if i can break it, at first pass everything works great! two quick suggestions: 1) put all 24 hours in the time drop-down, right now it only

[uf-discuss] The Wisdom of Microformats

2007-01-03 Thread Costello, Roger L.
Hi Folks, In his book, The Wisdom of Crowds, James Suroweicki says that to effectively harness the collective intelligence of a crowd - such as the Web - there needs to be the right balance between: - making individual knowledge globally and collectively useful - allowing individual

Re: [uf-discuss] tagging in hCalendar hCard

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/1/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'wiki' page on xFolk: http://microformats.org/wiki/xFolk says: If you need to define tags as part of a more specialised format, rel=tag is the

Re: Scope of tags (Was: [uf-discuss] rel=nsfw)

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Suppose Sue publishes a family tree as a series of web pages, one for each person. On her own page, she has: http://example.com/sue.html Title: Sue Smith JaneFred

[uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
The FAQ http://microformats.org/wiki/faq is getting long. I propose splitting it into two or more parts. Would that be OK with everyone? How should it be done? It might break some links :-( -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ *

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Benjamin West
I don't see any reason for splitting this. What is the problem and why does it need to be split? How would splitting solve that problem? It looks great to me as-is. Ben On 1/3/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FAQ http://microformats.org/wiki/faq is getting long. I propose

[uf-discuss] More censorship on the 'wiki'

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
Folks might like to know that dissenting opinion is still being censored from the 'wiki': http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issuescurid=1025action=history -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data:

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I don't see any reason for splitting this. What is the problem and why does it need to be split? How would splitting solve that problem? It looks great to me as-is. 1) please don't top post, per

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Frances Berriman
On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) The answer to your first two, tautological, questions (and by implication your last) is contained in my post, Please (re)read it. I read your email. I don't see your concerns outlined. I have no problems with how the FAQ currently is.

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 2:53 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I don't see any reason for splitting this. What is the problem and why does it need to be split? How would splitting solve that problem? It looks great to me

[uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
Do as I say: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcarddiff=0oldid=12098 do not undo editor edits, especially twice or more times, as that is grounds for being banned not as I do: 1. http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcarddiff=12098oldid=12097 2.

Re: [uf-discuss] More censorship on the 'wiki'

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Please don't top post, per http://microformats.org/mailinglists-policies/ Off topic rants don't belong on the wiki. It's not helpful. I agree, but since my comments were neither off-topic nor ranting, that's a straw man

[uf-discuss] rel=tag

2007-01-03 Thread Nick Peters
Seeing the tag implementation on Operator has made me question the existing tagging standard. With wordpress you may get something like ?cat=13 for a tag or something that may not even be the intended tag at all. After doing some research on the wiki I see that the rel=tag microformat is based

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) The answer to your first two, tautological, questions (and by implication your last) is contained in my post, Please (re)read it. I read your email. I don't see your

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 3:08 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do as I say: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcarddiff=0oldid=12098 do not undo editor edits, especially twice or more times, as Andy, RTFC: ^^ that is grounds for being banned not as I do:

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Frances Berriman
On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) The answer to your first two, tautological, questions (and by implication your last) is contained in my post,

Re: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the spec References

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 3:20 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago, I added two informative references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.123 http://www.imc.org/pdi/ to the hCard main page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Informative_References Tantek has

Re: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the spec References

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes two informative references: [...] so I have now removed them: Apologies; the correct edit was: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcarddiff=12103oldid=121022 Though, bizarrely, Tantek has reverted that. So, it seems that

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes do not undo editor edits, especially twice or more times, as Andy, RTFC: ^^ I have no idea what RTFC, though if the first three letters mean the same as in RTFM, kindly moderate your language,

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=tag

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes When I see a tag and click on it, I expect the visible content, not what's appended to the end of a URL. Anyone care to shed some light on this for me? Yes, it's a potential minefield: a rel=tag

Re: [uf-discuss] More censorship on the 'wiki'

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/3/07 3:02 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Off topic rants don't belong on the wiki. It's not helpful. I agree, but since my comments

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Andy, On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I recommend you voluntarily refrain from emailing microformats lists for 24 hours at this point. One more meta-discussion email from you after you have been asked to stop will be grounds for banning from the lists. Voluntary

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 3:38 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Will Tantek now be banning himself? No, because Tantek is an editor of the spec (hCard) as noted, Andy is not. Editor: one ho edits (and, ona Wiki, one who

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I read your email. I don't see your concerns outlined. Then I suggest that you did not read it well. Try reading the first sentence again. getting too long? Yes. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory

Re: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the spec References

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 3:35 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes two informative references: [...] so I have now removed them: Apologies; the correct edit was: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcarddiff=12103oldid=121022

Re: [uf-discuss] Splitting the FAQ?

2007-01-03 Thread Benjamin West
I don't recommend splitting it. I'm not sure what too long means. My guess is that if you do make such a change, it'll be reverted. Ben On 1/3/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I read your email. I don't see

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' management, uF style

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/3/07 3:38 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tantek is an editor of the spec (hCard) as noted, Andy is not. Editor: one ho edits (and, ona

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Conference Schedule Creator

2007-01-03 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Thanks Brian and Stephanie for your feedback. I've fixed two issues Brian was pointing to. Initially I added a little restriction to time range, because if you put two events (9:00–10:00) and (9:30–9:55) I don't really know which one should go first. But you are right, I will left it to user to

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=nsfw

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Jonkman quoted PJ Doland: If people have to categorize HOW something might be considered NSFW (nudity, language, violence, nudity language, etc.) it's going to make them less likely to use the standard in practice. That's supposition, presented as fact. As

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=tag

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Nick Peters wrote: Seeing the tag implementation on Operator has made me question the existing tagging standard. With wordpress you may get something like ?cat=13 for a tag or something that may not even be the intended tag at all. Yes, Wordpress abuses the

Re: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the spec References

2007-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Though, bizarrely, Tantek has reverted that. ^ Please refrain from making ad-hominem attacks on the mailing list. You appear not to know what ad hominem means. I made an editor judgment call [...] That is

xFolk edits from November restored (was Re: [uf-discuss] More censorship on the 'wiki')

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 3:45 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tosh. You have only just revered my edit of 19 November: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-faqdiff=10378oldid=10377 and no-one in the community has raised any issue with that in the intervening period. Apologies - an

Re: Scope of tags (Was: [uf-discuss] rel=nsfw)

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Marks
On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Abstract By adding rel=tag to a hyperlink, a page indicates that the destination of that hyperlink is an author-designated tag (or keyword/subject) for the current page.

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 5:07 PM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Ç elik wrote: Finally, note that this is yet another meta-discussion email that you have sent, and thus as promised, absent any objections from anyone else on the list (or IRC), you will shortly be banned from the mailing-list

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Christopher St John
On 1/3/07, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07 5:07 PM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I do object. Joe, thanks very much for your input. You are the only person (in email or IRC) who has objected to banning Andy. I'm a little late, but for the record,

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/3/07 7:11 PM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07 5:07 PM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I do object. Joe, thanks very much for your input. You are the only person (in email or IRC) who has

Re: [uf-discuss] Extending hCard and hCalendar vs. strict adherence to vcard and vCalendar.

2007-01-03 Thread Breton Slivka
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There's a few rather obvious problems with this idea that I can see. However, before I point them out, I will note that if the benefits of such a plan outweigh the

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Colin Barrett
On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Christopher St John wrote: On 1/3/07, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07 5:07 PM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I do object. Joe, thanks very much for your input. You are the only person (in email or IRC) who has objected

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Benjamin West
A small group of like-minded individuals with a common background who know each other personally is easy to organize. This was that, but it ain't no more. I'm not sure how much this applies... the group of administrators is a world wide group of volunteers. Although this hasn't always been

Re: Banning for meta-discusion [was RE: [uf-discuss] previously non-referenced in the specReferences]

2007-01-03 Thread Breton Slivka
On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: The big difference here (in contrast to Usenet, other lists etc.) is that this community has retained a remarkably positive and inviting tone of discussion for quite a long time, much much more so than those other forums, and those involved