Re: [uf-discuss] Extension to hCard parsing to support forms

2007-07-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 13, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Rob Manson wrote: Hi all, I had a chat with Tantek on irc about the current limitations when using forms with hCard etc. I'd appreciate any help anyone can provide in this area as this has a reasonable impact on some development I'm currently working on.

Re: [uf-discuss] Mediawiki accesskey shortcut usage instructions

2007-07-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Paul Wilkins wrote: I think you've just invented that statistic. Care to prove me wrong? In the interest of public spirit, I use ctrl-s to save. As do I, since I discovered on the page in question that it was an option. But it seems we're just debating for

Re: [uf-discuss] Discussion of public domain declaration template usage

2007-07-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 25, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: There are no editors, with additional rights over other users, on Wikipedia. I'm having trouble reconciling that statement with what appears to be your Wikipedia page claiming the exact opposite:

Re: [uf-discuss] birthday versus birthdate

2007-07-31 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 31, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: Actually... AFAIK... your birthday and your date of birth are the same thing. (And they both have a year.) Not in Korea at least. I was writing this in the commuting train without internet access. East Asian age reckoning is a concept

[admin] Re: [uf-discuss] inappropriate behaviour (was: Discussion of public domain declaration template usage)

2007-08-02 Thread Scott Reynen
Sincerely, Scott Reynen ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

Re: [admin] Re: [uf-discuss] inappropriate behaviour (was: Discussion ofpublic domain declaration template usage)

2007-08-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 5, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Scott, Could you to provide the evidence that was used to conclude that Andy failed to adhere to the be nice guideline /after/ the private warning? I know nothing more about what Andy did than you do. I won't speak for the admins in

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Combining hCard and hCalendar

2007-08-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 7, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Peter Bremer wrote: The site is dynamic and on the intranet, so difficult to show something, but the basic layout of the table is thus: | Event 1 | 01-01-2007 | example.org/event1 | Organiser 1 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Event 2 | 02-02-2007 | example.org/event2 |

Re: [uf-discuss] Micro Summary

2007-08-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote: I am thinking of using META description for now (but I am not sure of the quality of data in the tag), however, I have been looking at micro-summary (http://microformats.org/wiki/microsummary- brainstorming). Is this topic still alive? Has

Re: [uf-discuss] Micro Summary

2007-08-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 7, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Paul Kinlan wrote: On a side note, does any one have any information quantites of useage of things like hAtom. The default theme on Blogger uses hAtom, so whatever the number is, it's growing by tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of blogs every day. Peace,

Re: [uf-discuss] Tagging and Movable Type

2007-08-11 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 11, 2007, at 5:24 AM, James O'Donnell wrote: Hello, Apologies if this is not the correct forum to ask this question. We've set up a Movable Type blog at http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog and I'm experimenting with tagging blog entries like so: a rel=tag

Re: [uf-discuss] Tagging and Movable Type

2007-08-11 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:23 AM, James O'Donnell wrote: The link needs to go to the MT search script, and pass the tag name and blog ID, since we run multiple blogs. But I think that can be done with mod-rewrite. Would http://www.nmm.ac.uk/rog/tag/meteors/; cause any problems to a parser?

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Simple solution to abbr-D-P accessibility concerns: 'Title Trigger'

2007-08-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 17, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote: Really, microformats.org needs to bless one of the many replacements for the abbr-design-pattern. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's waiting for a clear direction before proceeding. In the microformats process, solutions as blessed by

Re: [uf-discuss] iPhone Developer Meeting in Berkeley w/ focusonMicroformats

2007-08-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Michael MD wrote: I think he might have meant something more like a way to describe widgets or small applications. Indeed, if you look at the Upcoming page Chris pointed to, he left a comment there pointing to the pre-iPhone widget microformat work:

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-08-28 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 28, 2007, at 6:33 AM, Alex Faaborg wrote: Yes, while previous Firefox designs have focused on the browser injecting UI into the page, this discussion is about how the content creator should provide links and buttons for acting on microformatted content. It seems you'll still need

Re: [uf-discuss] hResume - notes on creation and some feedback wanted

2007-08-29 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Brian Suda wrote: If an imaginary value of present were invented, then parsers would probably do the same thing can take the current date() and save that out to the file, otherwise DTEND:present wouldn't be a valid .ics file. this will take some thought. At the

Re: [uf-discuss] IMDb contact wanted (for advocacy)

2007-08-31 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I'd like to do some advocacy work with the Internet Movie Database, but they don't advertise any useful contacts on their website. Does anyone have one? I find IMDB one of the most frustrating sites on the web. They have so much great data

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 4, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: tr class=vcard geo or is that naughty? :-) I actually do stuff like that all the time... for things like signatures... it makes it very compact... for example... -- a class=vcard fn n url href=http://changelog.ca/;Charles Iliya

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Ben Ward wrote: Syntactically the URI would still work, however, semantically it would have been broken, that is, it is bad to not only change URIs so that they 404 and just plain don't work, but it is also bad to change the *meaning* of that URI. As long as

Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom question

2007-09-10 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:39 AM, David Janes wrote: The first suggests a must and the second a should. It's just a bit confusing, so any help to iron that out would be fabulous. :) See the last line of that section [1]; I think this will resolve the issue for you. As at least two people

Re: [uf-discuss] Multiple hCards on one page

2007-09-10 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 10, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: I's it possible to have 2 hCards on one page? Yes, by default they'll all be exported to a single .vcf file, as they are here: http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/http:// exhale.daisyinteractive.com/locations/ But you can also specify

Re: [uf-discuss] marking up table rows - carrying id through rows to create multiple unique .ics exports

2007-09-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:43 PM, Matt Warnock wrote: I am giving the first element (cell) of the row time th an id, then referencing that id in the following td classes through the headers attribute. I'm using the clues in the Allsopp book of naming the axis attribute the same as the th

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats Would Benefit From a Pseudo-Namespace

2007-09-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 14, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Jens Meiert wrote: The microformats community could happily go on with creating yet more names if these were at least neutralized with a prefix or suffix or whatever, while about everyone might change or extend sites just as he or she wants, not being forced to

Re: [uf-discuss] Correct way to use the key property of hCard

2007-09-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Ben Ward wrote: I don't know the answer to this particular problem, but: On 17 Sep 2007, at 22:23, Scott Reynen wrote: abbr class=type title=PGPpublic key/abbr ‘PGP’ is not an abbreviation of ‘public key’. abbr works the other way; the above suggests

Re: [uf-discuss] hCards and Companies

2007-09-21 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 21, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Duncan Cragg wrote: - I would like to drop in a field for the ticker code: NASDAQ:MSFT, etc; also the SEDOL and ISIN codes. I would think that stock tickers / security identifiers deserve a microformat of their own before we can think of

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard e-mail link/value

2007-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: address class=vcard span class=fnJohn Doe/spanbr E-mail: a class=email href=mailto:John%20Doe% [EMAIL PROTECTED]span class=value[EMAIL PROTECTED]/span/a /address Shouldn't just the value be used as an e-mail address value this

Re: [uf-discuss] Adr with no children (redux)

2007-09-27 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:15 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: How is a parser to deal with a child-less adr? I've handled child-less adr by reading the textual content of the element as a full unstructured address. This isn't useful for conversion to vCard, but it's still useful semantics in other

Re: [uf-discuss] semantic web and microformats

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Duncan Cragg wrote: The microformats community works on the basis of having the data embedded into the HTML. The RDF/SemWeb approach looks to have a consistent data model, and then having as many representations as you like of that data model. The data model for

Re: [uf-discuss] semantic web and microformats

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Duncan Cragg wrote: Now, you made a point of stating that it's only for developers and being merely syntax and not semantics. Why is that? If you define hCard in JSON and I get one, I'll know it's an hCard, surely? You will, but only because you already know what

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [uf-new] Mapping Microformats to RDFa

2007-10-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 13, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Tom Morris wrote: Publishing microformats as RDFa seems like a terrific way to ensure that only RDFa tools can read them. There is no technical reason RDF couldn't be converted into microformats just as easily as microformats are converted into RDF. Let's

Re: [uf-discuss] A Basic structure for Semantic-Data ??

2007-10-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:53 AM, LucaP wrote: I cannot find any previous discussion about such a fundamental data structure That would make it new, so please take it to the -new list instead of this -discuss list: http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new Peace, Scott

Re: calendar (and other) items aren't always tidy (was: Re: [uf-discuss] using microschema)

2007-11-27 Thread Scott Reynen
On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:57 PM, ken wrote: The idea of a semantic web is absolutely cool and I'm really looking forward to the day when we have some standards agreed upon and we can all start implementing them. I think we're long past that day, not just with microformats but also with RDF

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar, geo Operator extension

2007-12-03 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Ben Ward wrote: abbr class=geo point-20 title=+22.31119;+89.86145 Rayenda, Bangladesh /abbr There's no way that ‘+22.31119;+89.86145’ is an abbreviation of ‘Rayenda, Bangladesh’. Without commenting

Re: [uf-discuss] Jeremy's inline friend link pattern

2007-12-06 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Paul Wilkins wrote: HTML 5 says the following http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-cite HTML 5 isn't necessarily a definitive source on semantics in HTML 4 and XHTML, but in this case, I think it's the reasonable elaboration on what little

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Ben Ward wrote: I am going to ask that we better define the problem. That we follow up the demand for a better pattern (regardless of whether your personal motivation is following the spec or assistive technology). I'd like to ask that people stop jumping

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 15, 2007, at 3:08 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote: It seems to me 3:23 is already machine-readable Does 3:23 mean 3 mins 23 seconds, or 3 hours 23 mins, or 23 minutes past three o'clock? ;-) My point is it's not productive to ask such questions outside the context of the actual problem,

Re: [uf-discuss] RDFa Basics video (8 minutes)

2008-01-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jan 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: @class wasn't used because they didn't want to stomp on the Microformats community's implementation, among other reasons. In certain RDFa implementations, bad things happened when you mixed RDFa and Microformats on the same page. Can you maybe

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: It invalidates the need for mfo in hcard, doesn't it? If it were applied to the rest of Microformats, it would invalidate the need for mfo entirely. Not exactly. As hober said in IRC: # [02:17:12] hober just to quickly clarify, the

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say just use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if you know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to consider even an individual performer's name to be

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On the topic of whether this should have had wider discussion, I thought it was well established long ago that the properties of an AGENT hCard are not inherited by the container hCard, so I don't see anything really changing here. The

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hentry?

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Brandon Richards wrote: For portability sake, how do the other pages of content get linked or associated without having to actually include all of the content within one page? rel=next and rel=prev [1] can be used to describe these kind of relationships between

Re: [uf-discuss] Major change to microformat specs without prior discussion or notification

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: added: Similarly, parsers should treat nested [[hCalendar]], [[hReview]], [[hResume]] [[xFolk]] in the same way, properties inside them {{must}} only apply to the nested microformat, not to the containing microformat.

Re: [uf-discuss] Fragment identifiers in hCard links

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote: I fixed the page and now it is valid. However, that doesn't change the result. Having done a bit of testing, it appears that in the URI link where I use a fragment identifier (which would normally use the # as in

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats for Write APIs

2008-02-19 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 19, 2008, at 12:22 PM, gareth rushgrove wrote: Their seems to be a little interest in the idea anyhow. On 2/19/08, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom Shannon wrote: Standardisation might be interesting here as well. For instance back to blog comments. Comments from within

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: To-do items?

2008-02-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote: So as not to be perceived as one of those people who complains about things rather than doing something to correct them, I've started mapping out VTODO, VALARM, VFREEBUSY and the remaining parts of VEVENT on a sub- page of my user page

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: To-do items?

2008-02-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: We're intentionally trying to minimize use of User: pages to emphasize community rather than personal projects. We are? That's the first time I've seen that suggested, in over two years here. Yeah, I probably didn't state that very well.

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote: For example, the following: span title=Monday 3 March 2008 (data:2008-03-03) class=dtstartstarted two days ago/span Is perfectly accessible in all tested screen readers (the read the human- readable started two days ago) and

Re: [uf-discuss] What social networking sites uses XFN to express relationships and makes the XFN data visible so that it can be screen-scraped?

2008-03-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Costello, Roger L. wrote: Hi Folks, What social networking sites use XFN to express relationship information? In particular, I am seeking sites that let me see and scrape the XFN data. That is, I want to be able to do View Page Source and see the rel=... on the

Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom in Wordpress or Php: Iso 8601 timestamp

2008-03-08 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:11 AM, Lorenzo De Tomasi wrote: But now the question is which is the correct ISO 8601 timestamp? 2008-01-29T11:42:00+01:00 or 2008-01-29T11:42:00+0100? Both are valid per ISO 8601. Here's the full spec:

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-11 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Christopher St John wrote: Sarcastic answers may be appropriate for individuals (or not) but they certainly are not appropriate for people acting in an official capacity on the list. Drew can clarify whether he was being sarcastic, but I'd like to clarify

Regaining focus (Was: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett)

2008-03-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. I'm likewise back from vacation now, so just now responding to this. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=tag problem

2008-03-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:14 AM, David Meade wrote: If those of us who are concerned about this being implemented incorrectly are wrong, please let me know and I'll forward that education on to the mailing lists that have been discussing this ... but if we're correct in our belief that WordPress

Re: [uf-discuss] article on microformats

2008-03-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Igor Wawrzyniak wrote: Best to have Tantek, Eric or one of the other Technorati alumni answer that, since they were here in the very beginning. Technorati was involved from the beginning? I noticed they use microformats. Technorati's developer wiki is

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:27 PM, John Allsopp wrote: Even in the past 10 days, only a small minority of people have shown an inclination to engage in this meta-discussion. But I'd suggest that lack of piping up on this form is not entirely evidence that people don't care. It's important (for

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: Mandatory connection of a XFN to a source hCard and a target hCard

2008-03-19 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 19, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Costello, Roger L. wrote: 1. If XFN is used on a web page then that web page MUST contain an hCard of the person that represents the source of the relationship. 2. There MUST be a mechanism that connects the XFN to the hCard that represents the source individual.

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: Mandatory connection of a XFN to asource hCard and a target hCard

2008-03-19 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Costello, Roger L. wrote: 1. All people in an XFNetwork MUST be identified via hCard somewhere within the network. How about allowing the parties involved in an XFN-relationship be identified by either hCard or a FOAF document or an OpenID? (I must confess

Re: [uf-discuss] A (big) problem with XFN: identity of source andtarget not findable

2008-03-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 20, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Costello, Roger L. wrote: The purpose of a representative hCard is to identify itself as Hey, look at me, I am the author of this page. I think it's more Hey, look at me, I am the *subject* of this page. The author is identified by address. A PLEA TO

Re: [uf-discuss] entry-title on img

2008-04-04 Thread Scott Reynen
On Apr 4, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: all grab the @alt value for entry-title. Is this documented anywhere for hAtom parsing? It's documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/parsing I just added a link to that from here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-parsing It may

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Parsing XFN in PHP

2008-04-10 Thread Scott Reynen
Sorry for not noticing this earlier, but this thread really belongs on the -dev list (to keep the -discuss list relevant for those not doing development). Please direct future replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and join first if you're doing development and not already on the list).

Re: [uf-discuss] hatom sample - opinion?

2008-05-02 Thread Scott Reynen
On Apr 30, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Suzy Loew wrote: I've been tasked with converting some of our content with microformats. I've already successfully worked with hCard to my satisfaction, but now I'm attempting a hAtom entry. I'm still new to this, but I would like your opinion of the following

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=nsfw

2008-05-06 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 6, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Gordon Oheim wrote: Hi all, I was just reading a blog about bad use of Photoshop that linked to not-safe-for-work sites every now and then. Made me wonder if we could use a microformat that indicates non-suitable for work links and the likes? I could imagine a

Re: [uf-discuss] contacts within hCal

2008-05-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 7, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Dylan Wilbanks wrote: Hi -- I'm new to the list, so if the following issue has been already been addressed, my apologies. I'm converting our homegrown events calendar display UI from its 2001-era HTML to microformatted XHTML. The problem I've run into is

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On [May 22], at [ May 22] 7:46 , Martin McEvoy wrote: Hmm It seems to me that the microformats community seems to find it difficult to resolve the abbr design issue[1], its been over a year now? This is difficult to solve because we lack the resources to do testing with screen reader

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Zen Garden project?

2008-06-19 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 16], at [ Jun 16] 11:01 , Paul Shen wrote: Hey all, I'm new to this community but I'd like to contribute to the advancements of a semantic web. Please don't bash on any of my noob mistakes :) I was browsing the to do list and stumbled across the microformat playground idea

Re: [uf-discuss] microformat based web search

2008-06-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 20], at [ Jun 20] 7:17 , rob smith wrote: Hello, If I am right, one of the primary objectives of using microformats is to be able to retrieve the desired information from web pages around the world easily and reliably. In connection with this, I'd like to know which all search

[uf-discuss] Object param pattern rejection

2008-06-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On the abbr-design-pattern page, markup rejections section [1] is the following text: OBJECT with param value. (requires significant extra markup and CSS in order to *behave* correctly) Can anyone provide more detail about this parenthetical rejection explanation? I vaguely recall

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Using object for datetimes (was: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought)

2008-06-28 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 28], at [ Jun 28] 11:09 , Ben Ward wrote: On 28 Jun 2008, at 17:03, Ed Lucas wrote: George Brocklehurst wrote: Is it worth revisiting Tantek's original suggestion of using the object element to represent dates? [1] The idea was to do something like this: object

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-06-30 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 30], at [ Jun 30] 11:11 , Jeremy Keith wrote: I disagree. I think that writing: abbr title=14:005 minutes ago/abbr ...clarifies the abbreviated form. I think the problem may be clarified by actually writing those out in a sentence: I arrived at work 5 minutes ago. I arrived at

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-06-30 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 30], at [ Jun 30] 4:29 , Jeremy Keith wrote: There are a few cases where we are specifying content syntax for publishers, e.g. phone type in hCard. And these are all similarly problematic. I think we might get closer to solving these problems by considering them not in terms of

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-01 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 30], at [ Jun 30] 11:12 , Breton Slivka wrote: I think you'll find that metadata of any kind is a comprimise of the microformats core principles What I mean by metadata is information about content, which already makes up the bulk of microformats, e.g. class names, rel values, tag

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-03 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jul 2], at [ Jul 2] 4:37 , Bob Jonkman wrote: The difference with ISO dates is we've previously defined them as content; I'm suggesting that's a mistaken definition, as these dates don't function as content in our reference standard iCalendar. I disagree. In an appointment, the date IS

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jul 14], at [ Jul 14] 6:39 , Breton Slivka wrote: To someone with a different calendar, ISO8601 may make just as much sense as July 1st, 2007. that is: very little. I'm assuming by different calendar, you mean non-Gregorian? If so, what are the use cases for non-Gregorian dates in

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jul 14], at [ Jul 14] 5:57 , John Allsopp wrote: I recently learnt that in Japan there are two year numbering systems. The western style one is more common, but it far from uncommon to use the traditional Japanese year numbering system as well. Do you have any examples of the

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-15 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jul 15], at [ Jul 15] 5:51 , Ciaran McNulty wrote: Another example of non-Gregorian calendaring is Saudi Arabia, where the arabic calendar is in common usage: http://www.sama.gov.sa/ Thanks Karl and Ciaran. I've added these examples to the wiki here:

Re: [uf-discuss] Problems with rel-license?

2008-08-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Aug 22], at [ Aug 22] 7:01 , Martin McEvoy wrote: I am having problems with the actual definition of license I am English I spell it licence For better or worse, we're using American English spelling. I would write, a rel=licence href=http://somewhere.com/licence;Read My Licence/a

Re: [uf-discuss] HTML5, Microformats and RDFa

2008-08-26 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Aug 25], at [ Aug 25] 8:47 , Manu Sporny wrote: There have been several threads discussing Microformats, RDFa and HTML5 that are occurring on the WHATWG mailing list. The discussion relates to whether or not HTML5 should depend on the Microformats community to solve HTML5's semantic

Re: [uf-discuss] Potential for Microformats.org to work with W3C andRDFa Task Force

2008-08-28 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Aug 28], at [ Aug 28] 4:23 , Tantek Celik wrote: I would be very concerned that the microformats principles would be compromised by any such efforts as Manu suggests, and efficiency of parsing/parsers and other points listed are not worth compromising the principles. That, or we'd

Re: [uf-discuss] URL and Relative paths

2008-09-03 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Sep 2], at [ Sep 2] 6:45 , Martin McEvoy wrote: I think relative urls on the whole are bad form because many authors forget to set the base url for their relative paths... There's nothing wrong with that. See: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1808.html 3.3. Base URL from the Retrieval

Re: [uf-discuss] ISO Dates and Durations using Style

2008-09-27 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Sep 27], at [ Sep 27] 4:27 , Toby A Inkster wrote: If any style sheet language can be used, why don't microformats create their own style language eg: span class=bday style=bday.1968-01-044th Jan, 1968/span By definition, the contents of the style attribute must be in the default

Re: [uf-discuss] Appeal for Issues: Empty spans in value-excerption-pattern

2008-11-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Nov 7], at [ Nov 7] 8:09 , Rob Crowther wrote: Thus, this will parse: span class=dtstartspan class=value title=2008-11-04/ span4th November/span But this will fail: span class=dtstartOn 4th November 2008 Barack Obama was elected the first African American president of the United

Re: [uf-discuss] Appeal for Issues: Empty spans in value-excerption-pattern

2008-11-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Nov 7], at [ Nov 7] 12:40 , Rob Crowther wrote: 2008/11/7 Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not as a valid dtstart value, no. The title attribute is only parsed when the value element is empty, so that would parse with an invalid dtstart value containing the entire sentence. See

Re: [uf-discuss] Lets talk about rev?

2008-11-18 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Nov 18], at [ Nov 18] 6:21 , Jason Karns wrote: I agree with Martin that it's sad we are unable to take advantage of this attribute where possible. Fortunately, this isn't really a problem in practice. One of the notable characteristics of rev is that it carries the same meaning as

Re: [uf-discuss] Google Code microformat?

2008-11-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Nov 22], at [ Nov 22] 7:09 , Samuel Richter wrote: It seems to me that both hAtom and hDOAP present limitations of a sort when it comes to providing feeds for software updates. On the one hand with hAtom, you have a generic microformat with no way of identifying any content beyond it

Re: [uf-discuss] hatom tumblr theme

2008-12-15 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Dec 15], at [ Dec 15] 12:54 , Martin McEvoy wrote: To back up my argument, I'll cite the vCard spec (RFC 2426) which defines the purpose of UID as: To specify a value that represents a globally unique identifier corresponding to the individual or resource associated with the vCard.

Re: [uf-discuss] using rel to point to remote meta-data resource for a url identified resource

2008-12-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Dec 17], at [ Dec 17] 4:09 , adrian skardhamar wrote: img src=http://someurl/photo_of_cow.jpg; rel=http://someurl/meta_data_about_photo_of_cow what is actually held at http://someurl/meta_data_about_photo_of_cow is still up for debate. If you want to keep this link hidden from

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard UID was: hatom tumblr theme

2008-12-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Dec 17], at [ Dec 17] 4:13 , Martin McEvoy wrote: The above does not make any sense (to me), UID in microformats 99% of the time is hooked on the URL value, URL's are *not* globally unique to people just unique to the domain That may be true in some cases, but it's certainly not

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard UID was: hatom tumblr theme

2008-12-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Dec 17], at [ Dec 17] 12:52 , Martin McEvoy wrote: Here's a URL that is unique to me: http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ScottReynen Those URLs are not OpenIDs, but are usable as UIDs. It's not really difficult to find such URLs; almost every site you use with an account creates a URL

Re: [uf-discuss] dtstart and dtend with value class pattern

2009-05-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 25, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Chris Cressman wrote: I'd like to mark up the example below with a dtstart and dtend. I've done this in the past using the abbr design pattern. I'd like to use the value class pattern instead. However, I haven't been able to find any examples of the value class

Re: [uf-discuss] Organization Confusion

2009-08-03 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 3, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Bradley Ramos wrote: I am having a little trouble semantically setting up some hCard data. I am writing contact information for the official website of the Department of Transportation Services, which is part of the City County of Honolulu. Therefore, ideally I

Re: [uf-discuss] hcalendar event formatting

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Reynen
On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Aaron wrote: We have a page that has all of the event information scattered throughout the page and was wondering if we used a single span or div ID to enclose each individual section would this information still be read as a single event? As Chris said,

Re: [uf-discuss] MySpace and Microformats

2009-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Karsten Januszewski wrote: I was just on MySpace and noticed that /some/ profile pages are now formatted using hCard - for example: http://www.myspace.com/ irhetoric. It appears that newly created MySpace profile pages are using Microformats now. However, lots

Re: [uf-discuss] re: HTML5 support

2010-07-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Oli Studholme wrote: Suggested edit on http://microformats.org/wiki/microdata#microdata_vCard_vocabulary Avoid the microdata vCard vocabulary as in many ways it is an out-of-date fork/snapshot of hCard, even though portions of it appear to based directly on the

Re: [uf-discuss] `microformats` and a universal test suite

2010-07-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 14, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Angelo Gladding wrote: I am currently writing a universal parser [1]. Hi Angelo, Sounds like an ambitious project and I'd like to have more to contribute, but all I have now is a suggestion to move this discussion to the microformats-dev list, which is focused on

Re: [uf-discuss] re: HTML5 support

2010-07-18 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Oli Studholme wrote: I'd suggest removing the entire vocabulary-specific section altogether. As mentioned in the same page, microdata is aiming to solve a different problem than microformats, so it's misleading to suggest specific vocabularies are actually

Re: [uf-discuss] re: HTML5 support

2010-07-19 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: Out of curiosity what do you perceive are the different problems that microformats and microdata are trying to solve? Microformats aim to solve a specific problem. Microdata aims to be compatible with RDF, which demands more generic

[uf-discuss] n optimization internationalization (Was: HTML5 support)

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Angelo Gladding wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Oli Studholme microformats@boblet.net wrote: 宮野衆 is the Japanese name Miyano (宮野) Shu (衆) (well, probably — there may be other readings for 衆). As Philip correctly guesses, Miyano is the family name, so

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