Re: [uf-discuss] xdmp profiles not enough for parsing?

2005-11-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/16/05 7:44 AM, brian suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil Dawes wrote: Hi Microformats list, When coding up my python microformats parser, one of the problems I encountered was getting the parser to interpret the structure correctly (see [1]). In order to overcome this my parser

Re: [uf-discuss] xdmp profiles not enough for parsing?

2005-11-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/16/05 8:24 AM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tantek, On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:57 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: The conclusion was, in practice, complete automatic generic parsability is futile, and thus not worth pursuing, in XMDP or any other schema like language. I'll

Re: [uf-discuss] Formatting of Movie Credits information

2005-11-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/16/05 4:53 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Messina wrote: Most of this should be handled with the hCard and hCal MF building blocks. In addition, true microformats need to go through a thorough lifecycle and investigation before being microformats. A

Re: [uf-discuss] Formatting of Movie Credits information

2005-11-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/16/05 5:44 PM, S. Sriram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, li is a 'micro-microformat' for an item. But it imposes a design restraint and one still needs some standard terms for link, title description. S. Sriram, I recommend you look at David Janes's work on hAtom, which I believe begins

Re: [uf-discuss] Could microformats be classed as spam by searchengines?

2005-11-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hello Sho and Justin - welcome to the list! I agree that these are very good questions, and thanks to Brian, Chris, and Sho for providing good analysis and answers. Could you guys add these Qs As to the top level microformats FAQ? http://microformats.org/wiki/faq Sho's summary about search

Re: [uf-discuss] A request for the Technorati types

2005-11-29 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/24/05 10:59 PM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2005, at 1:38 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: You should compile a history of microformats story on the Wiki, writing yourselves in at the appropriate places, so things can be properly attributed and so forth. I've a

Never underestimate the usefulness of human-readable data. (was Re: [uf-discuss] Non-HTTP/HTML microformats)

2005-11-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/30/05 4:55 PM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: Ryan King wrote: You see, one of the beauties of The Unix Way, is that, just like microformats, you can use the same output for both humans and machines. For example, `ls .` can be

Re: [uf-discuss] Subscription lists in XOXO

2005-12-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/1/05 4:06 AM, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big apologies if I missed it, but I was wondering if there was already a preferred way of expressing aggregator subscription lists in XHTML. The only current prior art/attempt at this is Attention.xml, which was design without the

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: Proposal for general purpose microformat

2005-12-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/2/05 2:38 PM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Abramo, On Dec 2, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Abramo Bagnara wrote: I think that general purpose and universality sacrificing simplicity is a bad thing, but can we agree that universality *with* simplicity is a benefit? I think

Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO, the 'compact' attribute is deprecated

2005-12-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/2/05 1:06 PM, kenny heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to microformats, Hi Kenny, welcome to the list! but excited about them and eager to learn and start using them. Great! There are plenty of experts and experienced folks here who have successfully done so, so you've

Re: [uf-discuss] Use title attribute in non-abbr tags?

2005-12-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
Side note: parsing discussions are typically more appropriate for the dev list rather than the discuss list, redirecting discussion accordingly. On 12/4/05 10:41 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked around on the wiki, and read Tantek's original explanation of using title in

Re: [uf-discuss] Goods and Products microformat

2005-12-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/5/05 11:33 AM, kenny heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply Ryan. I had looked at hreview and listing and I felt hreview was not appropriate for what I was thinking because it lack some specifics about product features I felt important and has things like reviewer and

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview Question/Statement

2005-12-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/6/05 7:36 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the rule for associating rating with best? I'm looking at this example [1] from the Wiki: ul class=categories lia href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food; rel=tag Food: span class=rating18/span/span

Re: [uf-discuss] Problems with hCalendar formatting

2005-12-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/7/05 12:59 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at this [1]. It looks like the dtstart and dtend are outside of the associated vevents and thus shouldn't be parsed. Agree or disagree? Regards, etc... David [1] http://we05.com/program.cfm Note the

Re: [uf-discuss] Nomenclature Question

2005-12-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/8/05 3:05 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - RelHome? - rel-home? - Rel-Home? Variants of these across the rel-* are all available. My understanding is that this should be: - RelHome -- this official name - rel-home -- the wiki page name I think the latter

Re: [uf-discuss] Nomenclature Question (II)

2005-12-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/8/05 3:14 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: adr and geo standing there all nekkid as microformat names makes me kind of nervous. How about adr-mixin, geo-mixin mAdr, mGeo (for mixin) cAdr, cGeo (for component) to recognize their potential as mixin/components

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard tel extension

2005-12-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/8/05 8:15 AM, kenny heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There dosn't seem to be a way to declare a telephone extension in the hCard microformat. I quickly looked over the vCard RFC2426 spec and didn't find it there either, so I'm wondering is this an intentional omission or an oversite (or

Re: [uf-discuss] Ics import in Outlook

2005-12-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/9/05 11:57 AM, brian suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DTSTAMP is easy, that is just the date-time stamp when the event was created. You could certainly encode that into your HTML. Agreed. Similarly hCard has the REV property. UID is more difficult. That is Universal ID, and within a

extensive perl hacking vs. changing a microformat (was Re: [uf-discuss] rel-tag for hierarchical and general categories)

2005-12-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/10/05 5:27 AM, Benjamin Carlyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this would require extensive perl hacking to fix. Could this problem be resolved in the microformat? Hi Ben, There is a general rule to follow in software design and data formats which is very important. If it is a

Re: [uf-discuss] Show Microformat Brainstorming

2005-12-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
Charles, I am emailing you directly on this because it appears you have not received earlier email sent on this subject. Regarding: On 12/13/05 4:19 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On 12/6/05, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If you

Re: [uf-discuss] Relevant tags in hReview

2005-12-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/15/05 4:53 PM, Vinay Pulim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food; rel=tag Food: span class=rating18/span/span class=best30/span/a; I must have gone over that example a hundred times and not once did I notice that the span class=best tag was a child of the a

[uf-discuss] microformats.org nominated for Best Web 2.0 Blog - go vote!

2005-12-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings microformatters, We've been nominated for the (perhaps dubious?) Best Web 2.0 Blog award on kbcafe.com: http://www.kbcafe.com/iBLOGthere4iM/?guid=20051220093051 Scroll down to #7 on the list: 7. Best Web 2.0 Blog [x] microformats - http://www.microformats.org/ Congratulations

[uf-discuss] cite/citation examples/formats/brainstorming

2005-12-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Ryan, On 12/20/05 12:56 PM, Ryan Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I've actually been looking at this problem from another angle, and considered submitting a microformat about it. What we're really looking for is not solely citation data (such as ISBN), but bibliographic

using hCard to identify people (was Re: [uf-discuss] XFN and hCards)

2005-12-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
David, You have brought up good use cases for using hCards to identify people, and this is definitely worth further exploring and defining. On 12/22/05 1:58 PM, David Osolkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To identify the source, a page with XFN links should include an address element, which

Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom draft - class=title

2005-12-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/31/05 1:58 AM, Benjamin Carlyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 23:47 -0600, Ryan King wrote: ...I believe that context and specific rules on opacity are sufficient for making thing unambiguous. Admittedly, with microformats we tend to walk a fine line here, but

[uf-discuss] hAtom and blog-post-* need some more work

2005-12-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
Though I definitely understand (and applaud) the eagerness to get an hAtom format defined, things have definitely been rushed a bit, and there are holes in the background research necessary to do a good job. Holes which, if they were filled, would most likely result in quite a few changes to the

Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom and blog-post-* need some more work

2005-12-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/31/05 11:53 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: Hi David, On Dec 31, 2005, at 9:58 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: I don't even have the slightest idea how to respond to this. I've been working on hAtom since August (hardly a rush),

[uf-discuss] Happy New Year! Microformats in 2006.

2006-01-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
Microformats community: Happy New Year! 2005 was an incredible year for the growth of microformats, in terms of specification, implementation, and overall awareness. The microformats.org community has produced some incredible results in just over six months of existence. 2006 looks like it

Re: [uf-discuss] entry permalink in hatom

2006-01-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/4/06 12:38 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan King wrote: On Jan 4, 2006, at 11:49 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Ryan King wrote: In http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Permalink, we have: This may be a microformat in itself: rel-bookmark. Which

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-tag trailing slash problem

2006-01-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/11/06 9:18 AM, Mark Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, another quick question about rel-tag. What is the tag value of the following: a rel='tag' href='http://del.icio.us/tag/tech/'tech/a According to my reading of the rel-tag spec (which, granted, I just edited, so I may have

Re: [uf-discuss] Wordpress hReview Raiting help: Need help in changing the integer values

2006-01-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome to the list sfam! On 1/14/06 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have integrated the hReview structured blogging microformat into my blog. I am only using the hReview for movie reviews, but I find the 5 star rating constaining. Preferably, I would like to have half

Re: [uf-discuss] locality sans adr;abbr for state/country etc?

2006-01-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/16/06 2:40 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: brian suda wrote: David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: If you were to do this (I'm not saying it's a good or bad idea) wouldn't you do it the other way, with the machine readable data inside the title? abbr class=region

Re: [uf-discuss] User Profile Microformat

2006-01-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
I want to first question the need for a separate user profile microformat. Use hCard first and then document specific reasons why your particular real-world application has other real-world needs. Without bases in real-world examples and needs, you'll end up with a kitchen-sink mess format like

Re: [uf-discuss] citation microformat?

2006-01-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/17/06 6:37 PM, B.K. DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:18 PM 1/17/2006, Brian Suda wrote: i am certainly working on it still, although there has not been much activity. I have been chatting with some folk about the code4lib (the librarian conference) and we are moving forward on some

Re: [uf-discuss] citation microformat?

2006-01-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/17/06 9:02 PM, Mark Rickerby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's quite a lot of good information about bibliographic formats on the wiki: http://www.microformats.org/wiki/cite-formats One prominent vocabulary that I didn't see noted is:

Re: [uf-discuss] Fwd: Press release microformat

2006-01-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/18/06 10:06 AM, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we have a consensus: just use hAtom. Now, about hAtom Having taken a quick look at a couple of releases, I concur that hAtom seems to work. How would someone from the outside know to use hAtom for a press release?

[uf-discuss] media-info-examples and examples

2006-01-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/1/06 11:30 AM, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Media Info. Formerly known as media-metadata. ... I want to see this happen. I'm not a media info domain expert. If I have to, I'll jump in myself and be draconian about the simplification. I'm hoping that at least a few

Re: [uf-discuss] citation microformat encodings

2006-01-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/24/06 12:50 PM, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/06, C. Hudley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in your (everyone's!) thoughts on whether those OpenURL-derived examples for book and journal article citations might be useful. Given that OpenURL is a well

Re: [uf-discuss] citation microformat encodings

2006-01-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/24/06 11:57 AM, brian suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the weekend i started to make some serious headway on the citation microformat. Hmmm... as far as I can tell, there are a bunch of steps missing before any progress can be made on a cite microformat in particular. For one, the

Re: [uf-discuss] hreview item - multiple photos

2006-01-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/25/06 2:48 AM, Chris Roos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am assuming that the item being reviewed may have more than one image to represent it; based on my understanding of the item info description in the hreview format[1]. item info:: This required field [...] and MAY provide at least

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview on stocks

2006-01-26 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/20/06 2:32 PM, Benjamin Carlyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 23:54 -0800, John Panzer wrote: Is there a recommended way to use hReview to rate stocks? I think everything maps very well except that the target of this particular review is neither a person nor a web

how to do aggregate reviews - Re: [uf-discuss] hReview feedback

2006-01-26 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/20/06 2:21 PM, Benjamin Carlyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 12:13 -0600, Paul Bryson wrote: Ryan King wrote... On Jan 17, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Paul Bryson wrote: A good portion of the numerical ratings on the internet are aggregates of many people voting, usually

[uf-discuss] Re: [microformats-discuss] hReview

2006-01-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Many moons ago... On 7/21/05 12:24 PM, Eran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So after wrangling hCard enough to get some data of it, I'm moving on to hReview. First of all, I must say, thanks for the examples! One of the things I was really missing with hCard was _valid_ examples, the ones in

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview and the structured blogging tools

2006-01-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/12/06 1:21 PM, Phillip Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: should becomes something like: a href=http://example.com/tags/Food; bFood rating/b: span class=rating4/span out of span class=best5/span/a br / Better, but still needs fixing: * for better semantic XHTML (to fix b

Re: [uf-discuss] Relevant tags in hReview

2006-01-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hello Vinay, On 12/15/05 7:13 AM, Vinay Pulim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm working on an hreview aggregator (http://kritx.com) Very good job by the way. and had a question about how to properly handle tags. Specifically, the Cafe Borrone example in the hReview wiki contains numerous

Welcome Håkon! (and Re: [uf-discuss] book brainstorming )

2006-01-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Håkon! Microformats folks, while I'm sure most of you are perhaps familiar with Håkon's name and his work, I want to make sure you understand how momentous it is to have Håkon working with us. Håkon is one of the two co-inventors of CSS, and has played a very important leadership role in

Re: [uf-discuss] Versioned Documents

2006-01-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Tim and Shawn, It sounds like you definitely have a bunch of good experience and thoughts about versioned documents. Consider starting some pages on the wiki to keep track of this info/research so we can see if it makes sense to develop it into a microformat. E.g. start with:

Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom progress

2006-01-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/30/06 9:13 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I was encoding one website I was making with hAtom and there's one issue I found. Although we have rel-bookmark for declaring the link to the entry, there is no way (defined within hAtom) for declaring the link

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal for MD5/SHA-1 hash microformat

2006-01-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
Charles is right. From the definition Brian quoted (*emphassis* mine): ...the content type of the content available at the *link target address* Thanks, Tantek On 1/31/06 9:54 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, As far as I know, the value of the type attribute

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview for Stocks

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 12:04 PM, Sujata Ramchandran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This is my initial foray in to the world of microformats. Welcome Sujata! I have been asked to provide some additional fields within hReview Who has asked you for this? That might help understand what the problem is

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview for Stocks

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 2:27 PM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote on 2/1/2006, 12:25 PM: On 2/1/06 12:04 PM, Sujata Ramchandran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I have been asked to provide some additional fields within hReview Who has asked you for this? That might help

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 6:53 PM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === Homepage (http://microformats.org) === ... Granted. A common criticism of http://microformats.org/ is that its too 'spec-y.' Writing specs is necessary, but, of course, not sufficient. One must definitely start somewhere. One of

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview for Stocks

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 7:12 PM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: On 2/1/06 2:27 PM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would this be acceptable as a structured fn? a class=item fn href=...abbr title=NYSE:TWXTime Warner, Inc./abbr/a Well, you could use that markup

Re: [uf-discuss] be it resolved: irc chat logs deserve their own microformat

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 8:05 PM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to have a microformat for IRC chat logs. People publish them on the web with alarming regularity in a wide variety of formats, but it would be useful if they were consistently represented so that basic info (what said

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 11:01 AM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: Mark et al, I appreciate the effort that has gone into this. I wonder if it would be worth just getting together for a few hours some evening for Microformats wiki-thon, where

Re: [uf-discuss] hreview parsing question

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 10:57 AM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:18 AM, Chris Roos wrote: Hi, I have a specific question regarding the parsing of the hreview on this yahoo movie review[1] The rating given in the review is as follows dtRating/dt dd em3.5/5 img

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 1:57 PM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/06, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I was saying... I don't think you can really extricate the process from the results. Certainly the philosophy/process could be useful in many contexts. Of course, I'd love to be

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 2:14 PM, David Osolkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little unclear what you mean by languishing. It seems that not a day goes by when we (even myself personally) must reference the process to someone either on the list or in IRC

[uf-discuss] Call to action: blog related microformats: hAtom, blog-info, blog-description

2006-02-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
1. hAtom for syndicated content There has been tremendous progress made on hAtom thanks to everyone's tireless efforts, in particular DavidJanes and Ryan King. The draft is looking pretty good, and the issues document has been cleaned up a lot. I encourage everyone who is interested in a

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar test cases and parser

2006-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/06 5:53 AM, Mark Mansour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I've made my test cases for hCalendar publicly available. For more details please read my blog entry http://www.lifelint.com/blog/ To try out the service go to http://www.lifelint.net/ I look forward to your feedback

Re: [uf-discuss] SxSW people's choice awards

2006-02-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Tantek Çelik Chief Technologist, Technorati, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.415.254.9656 mobile ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/8/06 3:44 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carl Beeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes One of the potholes is in my opinion the little intro text on the home page: What are microformats Designed for humans first and machines second, Note - the notion

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
Brian, could you add this to the FAQ? http://microformats.org/wiki/faq Thanks, Tantek On 2/9/06 7:06 AM, brian suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The HTML HEAD Profile attribute alerts applications to the potential presence of microformats.[1,2] -brian [1] - http://www.gmpg.org/xmdp/ [2]

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/9/06 4:04 PM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 9, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Ryan King wrote: On Feb 9, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: meta name=microformats content=tag hAtom xFolk / Ironically, this is exactly the sort of thing microformats are against using-

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Patrick! On 2/9/06 12:56 PM, Patrick Tufts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus McIntyre wrote: Obviously, a robot would be free to scan any page to see if it contained content in a format it's interested in, but a 'hint' of this kind might allow the robot to prioritise processing of pages

Re: [uf-discuss] XMDP Definitions

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/9/06 8:35 PM, Ryan Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XMDP Spec says very little about the content of descriptions. Actually, it's quite explicit, see below. Can a term be defined with both a text description and an explicit list of properties? Yes. If so, should this be marked

Re: [uf-discuss] W3C Content Label XG

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 10:03 AM, Paul Denning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fyi, [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/incubator-pressrelease Microformats came to mind when I read about this XG. Indeed. I remember this when it happened. Frankly, I think we're incubating microformats just fine out in the open

Re: [uf-discuss] Massive use of hCard - need validation and discussion

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 11:01 AM, B.K. DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, being the OCD developer I am, join the club. :) I marked up a recent blog posting with hCard - quite a lot of hCard - and need some assistance checking if it validates. Ignore the political content and please help me examine

[uf-discuss] thought: weekly microformats meetups

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
Last year we held semi-irregular microformats dinners which helped introduce a lot of folks to microformats, and provide an open forum where folks could come to learn, to get questions answered, share ideas etc., in a more personable setting than irc/email/wiki, and helped get a lot of

Re: [uf-discuss] Massive use of hCard - need validation and discussion

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 12:51 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really any point in hcarding things that have no contact information? Absolutely. A smarter browser could detect these people and organizations mentioned in pages, and perhaps connect them with entries *you already have* in

Re: [uf-discuss] thought: weekly microformats meetups

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 12:57 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: My first thought is early Monday evenings like 5-6pm pacific time. We could also try one on 2/13 and see how it goes. 2/20 is during MashupCamp, but I think enough microformatters

Re: [uf-discuss] hresume draft

2006-02-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/13/06 1:08 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes 2) the resultant hCards contain out-of-date information, with a person identified under a job title they no longer hold (except possibly the most recent experience).

Re: [uf-discuss] hresume draft

2006-02-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/13/06 7:59 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Again, because he is no longer has that title and org (i.e. former), I don't think it is appropriate to mark it up as such, because by doing so, you are claiming it to be a currently

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: one citation microformat use case (Michael McCracken)

2006-02-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
In short, most of these questions/suppositions are answered/discussed the following wiki pages. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation http://microformats.org/wiki/citation On 2/14/06 6:43 AM, David Osolkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [uf-discuss] one citation microformat use case

2006-02-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Michael! On 2/10/06 7:25 PM, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just found the recent conversations about a citation microformat, and saw that the discussion slowed down around the same time someone asked about what problem we're solving. The conversation is still

Re: [uf-discuss] spec interpretation question with hCalendar attr element example

2006-02-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/20/06 2:10 AM, Mark Mansour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, Hi Mark! Although there is a hCalendar meetup on Friday/Saturday on IRC (plug, plug - see a recent post) I had a general question to ask here first that can be highlighted with a specific example.. My general question

[uf-discuss] object include pattern documented

2006-02-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
During yesterday's f2f at mashupcamp meeting where we discussed the finalization/resolution of outstanding issues for hAtom, hResume, hReview 0.3, it became apparent that the include technique we came up with for hResume had utility in at least hReview and hAtom as well, and possibly other

[uf-discuss] hReview 0.3 drafted

2006-02-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, I've taken the changes proposed and accepted for hReview 0.3 from the review-brainstorming page and incorporated them into hReview: http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview Please take a look and review (so to speak). Follow-up to the list with any errors / omissions / feedback /

Re: [uf-discuss] hlisting discussion Wednesday night

2006-02-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
on hListing. We have folks from Oodle, Edgeio, Technorati, CommerceNet, and independent developer Assaf Arkin all participated in a heated but productive discussion. Here are some collaboratively taken (props to SubethaEdit) rough notes: hListing meeting notes Attendees Tantek Çelik - Technorati Ryan

Re: [uf-discuss] REMINDER: hCalendar IRC meetup tomorrow/today

2006-02-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
(it was a markup example). I'll go fix it. But you'll find more info in the notes and the IRC discussion. Thanks, Tantek On 2/25/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Please make sure that any hCalendar issues that you know of are documented on the hcalendar-issues page sufficiently

[uf-discuss] Call for microformats folks attending/demoing at ETech and SXSW!

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, There are several microformats related sessions at upcoming conferences documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/events In particular I want to call your attention to ETech and SXSW sessions on microformats: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats

Re: [uf-discuss] Call for microformats folks attending/demoing at ETech and SXSW!

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/27/06 1:56 AM, Factory Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah yeah, totally down for a mF Mashpit @ either Etech or SXSW. I'm busyish this week, but if folks are interested, ping me and let me know and we'll get something going. I've created two pages to get these kicked off. pw to edit the

Re: [uf-discuss] Product Data Microformat

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Chris, On 2/27/06 1:59 AM, Chris Roos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Beach wrote: I'm David Beach. I work for Yahoo! in Yahoo! Shopping. I'm interested in creating a microformat for product information. It's possible that this could be very useful for merchants, manufacturers, and

[uf-discuss] hAtom - ready for 0.1?

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
I've been watching eagerly as hAtom has been refined quite nicely by everyone's excellent discussions and Ryan King's and David Janes' hard work in updating the wiki accordingly. I think it is looking quite good. http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom I haven't yet completed adding it to my blog

Re: [uf-discuss] proposed geo syntax addition (affects hCard) Re: [microformats-discuss] adr and geo microformats finally written up

2006-03-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Brian, On 3/4/06 8:02 AM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had two immediate thoughts, none of whick really effect this idea, i just wanted to get them out there documented. 1) The current GEO property has to have sub-properties of class=latitude and class=logitude this is

Re: [uf-discuss] Product Data Microformat

2006-03-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/5/06 6:08 PM, David Beach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think XML could be sufficient. But if it is, then why hasn't any of this been done? Indeed, it's been tried, but more with idealistic formats that attempt to capture all information about something, rather than empirically based 80/20

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat Question

2006-03-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/8/06 7:42 AM, Paul Kinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have created an account and I will wait to see what happens from there. Welcome Paul! David/Scott, I think your right, I should research it a bit more to a) see if it has been done before and b) how other people do it and c) if

[uf-discuss] Microformats Implementations details/taxonomy for hCalendar (to start with)

2006-03-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
In an attempt to make it easier for folks to find particular types of implementations for each microformat, I have organized the Implementations section of the hCalendar specification into what feels like a decent best first guess at categories of implementations that people may be interested in

Re: [uf-discuss] Biography microformat?

2006-03-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Breton! On 3/13/06 5:21 AM, Breton Blake Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be clear at the start, this message is not a proposal for a new format. (Well not yet anyway) I am gearing up to do the redesign for an art gallery's website. I am considering making heavy use of

Re: [uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Drew! On 3/18/06 3:39 AM, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen any third-party microformat support for Dreamweaver? I've done a bit of searching and can't find any reference to actual implementations. I don't know of any either. If there's nothing out there I'll see if

Re: [uf-discuss] Format-of-Formats?

2006-03-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Chris, The perceived value that you see is exactly why this whole topic is such a massive trap. It is very seductive (especially to programmers) to think that you can define a format for formats (a meta-format shall we say), *once*, then implement *only that*, then have every specific format

[uf-discuss] microformats podcasts index now on wiki

2006-04-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, Since there have been several recent podcasts where microformats have been discussed, I've created a page on the wiki to keep track of them (similar to the presentations page) http://microformats.org/wiki/podcasts Please check it out, have a listen to the listed podcasts. The page

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 2:19 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:14, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Alf Eaton wrote: At the moment, microformatted URIs are generally marked up in the href attribute of an a tag with a class of 'url' (hreview, hcard) or 'email' (hcard). This

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 2:31 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:24, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/5/06 2:19 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:14, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Alf Eaton wrote: At the moment, microformatted URIs are generally

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 3:03 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:44, brian suda wrote: In hCard you can do either of the following to represent a URL a href=http://example.org; class=urlMy homepage/a or span class=urlhttp://example.org/span Could you also do abbr

Re: [uf-discuss] Need for an MF styleguide

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 6:23 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw a discussion about XHTML styleguides... I think we need something equally digestible for publishers... that makes it super super simple to get and apply microformats... Tara and I discussed this as a Dummy's Guide but I think a

Re: [uf-discuss] Updating the blog People page

2006-04-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/8/06 7:32 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the People page is out of date... http://microformats.org/about/people/ Should that be updated? Good question. The right thing to do might be to simply capture the fact that it represented the state of that information when

Re: [uf-discuss] Perfect app to convert to support microformats

2006-04-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
Great find Chris! This would be a perfect request for the LazyWeb section of /wiki/to-do Thanks, Tantek On 4/8/06 7:58 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uses your Apple Address Book and turns it into the source of data for a web server...

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/9/06 3:53 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the meeting I agreed to make a new wiki page that summarised the previous discussion and had some examples that could be a basis for further progress. Here's the page - feel free to edit, particular with extending the

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/10/06 7:13 AM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Apr 2006, at 03:40, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/9/06 3:53 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the meeting I agreed to make a new wiki page that summarised the previous discussion and had some examples that could

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