Hello,
I thought that to expand feedback on the Currency proposal, a simple
poll would be nice, so here it is:
http://www.vizu.com/poll-vote.html?n=15067
Note: choices are randomly ordered.
Looking forward to your participation.
Guillaume
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On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I definately vote picking one standard and sticking to it. As with
date formats,
Hello Andy,
On 9/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in
there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be
used too
Hello David,
Just out of curiosity, was this inside or outside of Canada?
On 9/21/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll just jump in here: I've worked in finance, treasury, risk
management and banking for the last 10 years. I've only seen CAD used
technically to refer to Canadian
Hello Scott,
On 9/21/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
Parsers like only having one format to work with. Let people display
what they will, the machine-readable should be consolidated.
I agree. Publishers also like having only
On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
For currencies... We could specify one standard currency -- ISO 4127 3
letter codes -- for now (which would make these people happy). But
also think to the future about if people change out minds (and don't
want to use ISO 4127
Hello Scott,
On 9/22/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
For currencies... We could specify one standard currency -- ISO 4127 3
letter codes -- for now (which would make these people happy). But
also think to the future
For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD.
However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars.
I don't believe 'CDN' is from a standard... it's a common misnomer
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On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD.
However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars.
I don't believe 'CDN' is from a standard... it's a common misnomer
I agree that no organization
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 17:59:
Hello,
On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD.
However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars.
I don't believe 'CDN' is from a
Hello,
On 9/21/06, Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 17:59:
Hello,
On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD.
However, I have also seen the code CDN used
Hello Joe,
On 9/21/06, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
But aren't Microformats about just documenting what people
are already doing. (I.e., the cows path thing.) Instead
of trying to TELL THEM what they should or must be doing.
If that's the case, then
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I, too, will testify that Tantek's just-the-facts-ma'am writing style
grows on one over time.
I can assure you it won't grow on me; though just the facts would be
an improvement on his recent messages.
--
Andy Mabbett
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in
there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be
used too without (potentially) breaking this or other Semantic HTML
systems (that
On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
Yes, I agree that we should be using ISO 4127 codes. (I guess my
original argumement has gotten lost in the blast of e-mails.)
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in
there too so that other currency
Hello,
On 9/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in
there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be
used too without
Hello,
On 9/21/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
Yes, I agree that we should be using ISO 4127 codes. (I guess my
original argumement has gotten lost in the blast of e-mails.)
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in
there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be
used too without (potentially) breaking this or other Semantic HTML
systems
Looks like there are many others:
There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian
dollar from others: while the ISO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization
currency code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 *CAD* (a
three-character code
I'll just jump in here: I've worked in finance, treasury, risk
management and banking for the last 10 years. I've only seen CAD used
technically to refer to Canadian dollars and anyone, from a
banking/finance _technical_ perspective, is probably mostly interested
in consuming that form of
A little detail. Shoulnd't it be:
abbr class=currency title=Canadian dollarC$/abbr
?
CAD being itself an abbreviation.
BTW, I think in this context currency as a class name makes sense.
I proposed earlier having a currencyamount class name that would
contain a value (expressed as text or
On 9/21/06 3:34 PM, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like there are many others:
There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian
dollar from others: while the ISO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization
currency code
On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
Parsers like only having one format to work with. Let people display
what they will, the machine-readable should be consolidated.
I agree. Publishers also like having only one format to work with.
Peace,
Scott
On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I have, therefore, put up a straw-man proposal, at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-
brainstorming#Straw_man_proposal
Please feel free to critique it, and, in particular, highlight any
examples for which it does not cater.
Nesting
looks very good - nice and simple and functional :)
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The proposal for a 'currency' microformat, for marking-up amounts of
money, seems moribund. This is unfortunate, as a number of other formats
(hListing, job, hReview, book, etc.), might make
Hello Andy,
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
But here's what we are doing...
Something that renders as...
$5.00
Would have the markup...
abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00
Also... I add the
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Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
looks very good - nice and simple and functional :)
Thank you.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
I think it meandered somewhat...
But here's what we are doing...
Something that renders as...
$5.00
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
I think it meandered somewhat...
But
Andy,
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
abbr class=currency title=USD
span class=amount42.67/span
/abbr
Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD?
I've commented before that microformats already misuse abbr in
this
way.
Where is that? I don't remember
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 22:38:
abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00
So a class name like currency-symbol or currency_symbol would be
better.
I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has
already been dismissed. Andy,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has
already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any relevant
parts to the brainstorming page.
Noted, and thank you.
Usually, when talking about currency,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
abbr class=currency title=USD
span class=amount42.67/span
/abbr
Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD?
I've commented before that microformats
On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza
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span class=currency
span class=type$/span
span class=value5.00/span
/span
Dollars is a currency. Five Dollars is money.
No, money is a currency, metal is another type of currency. Dollars is
a /type/ of currency.
Even if so,
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create
Hello,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
[...]
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is used for dates,
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in
geo,
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
No. You're not in a position to stipulate requirements (much less
required prerequisites (sic)) of me, and your insinuations of
bias are
unfounded.
We all have bias. I'm interested in a currency microformat because I
work on several
Ben's original statement of the problem, somebody asks
$50 for an item, but is that US? Canadian? Australian?
Why not just write:
abbr title=US Dollars$/abbr50
or
50 abbr title=US DollarsUSD/abbr
I'm wondering if a currency sign/symbol is technically an
abbreviation, since the sign/symbol
On 20 Jul 2006, at 07:27, Ben Buchanan wrote:
So... I think div class=currency USD$50/div would work as a
shorthand.
It defines
a) we're talking about money - ISO standard implied,
b) we're talking about the USD variety,
c) we're talking fifty units of that money,
d) a parser could work out
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ben Buchanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Ben's original statement of the problem, somebody asks
$50 for an item, but is that US? Canadian? Australian?
Why not just write:
abbr title=US Dollars$/abbr50
or
50 abbr title=US DollarsUSD/abbr
I'm wondering if a currency
On July 18, 2006 12:08 PM, Ryan King wrote:
On Jul 17, 2006, at 11:24 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
The classic problem example would be a page stating a price
of $50.
Is that Australian dollars? US dollars? Monopoly money? :)
So anyway I'm following The Process
Hi all,
Wow, lots of discussion :)
I'll respond to a few points in one, hope that's ok with everyone.
1)
Language/currency
- Not all countries have a single currency in circulation
- Not all countries have a single language in use
- Not all speakers of a specific language will use a specific
[Gack. Sorry about the name mixup, twitchy email setting. Reposted to
clarify who's talking.]
Hi all,
Wow, lots of discussion :)
I'll respond to a few points in one, hope that's ok with everyone.
1)
Language/currency
- Not all countries have a single currency in circulation
- Not all
On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
So, the problem we're trying to solve is how to have pages *define*
the
currency of the prices presented. Implication and guesses are too
open for
error, with high potential consequences.
Okay, that looks to me more like a simple, clear
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Ganz
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I got the page kicked off by capturing a few examples in the wild and
some of the brainstorming that took place here on the list.
Oddly, you seem to have overlooked my comments.
--
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Say NO! to
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Consider a defunct currency
Example:
http://charlesdickenspage.com/works.html
a novel cost 31 shillings in 1836, average worker earned 6 to 20
shillings per week) but a monthly installment, 32 pages with
On Jul 19, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
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Consider a defunct currency
Example:
http://charlesdickenspage.com/works.html
a novel cost 31 shillings in 1836, average worker earned 6
to 20
How about using a timestamp/effective date?
If enabling exchange rate and value-over-time calculations
is a goal for a currency uf, I think we'll find them
essential.
-ml
--- Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy
Mabbett
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On Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:34 Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Ganz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I got the page kicked off by capturing a few examples in the
wild and
some of the brainstorming that took place here on the list.
Oddly, you seem to have overlooked my
On Jul 19, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Scott
Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Then Consider providing multiple translations of one price in
different amounts...
How does considering this help us define the currency of the prices
presented? It looks
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
[1] how would one proposed to mark up the string 6 to 20 shillings
per week so that both values could be addressed with the appropriate
measurement unit?
Something like:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Something like:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=18606/shilling to
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=186020/shilling
shillings
Ack! That should be:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling
Scott,
I wasn't aware that we had collectively settled on a
problem definition or had moved on to solving anything. If
I've missed the cutoff, please consider my comments and
suggestions as late brainstorming.
I for one am interested in how to clearly mark up 6
shillings or 5 dollars when the
Michael,
I think it has not yet been shown by sufficient research that a currency at
this *historical* point in time is a problem worthy of a solving with a
microformat.
Whether or not there is any specific interest on any of our parts to clearly
mark something up, there needs to be research
On 7/19/06 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Something like:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=18606/shilling to
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=186020/shilling
shillings
Ack!
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I think it has not yet been shown by sufficient research that a
currency at this *historical* point in time is a problem worthy of a
solving with a microformat.
Google finds:
about 58,500 for worth in modern terms.
Then Consider providing multiple translations of one price in
different amounts...
How does considering this help us define the currency of the prices
presented? It looks like we just strayed from marking up currency to
marking up exchange rates.
You're right, it doesn't help. Defining the
On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Michael Leikam wrote:
I wasn't aware that we had collectively settled on a
problem definition or had moved on to solving anything. If
I've missed the cutoff, please consider my comments and
suggestions as late brainstorming.
I for one am interested in how to
--- Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it has not yet been shown by sufficient research
that a currency at
this *historical* point in time is a problem worthy of a
solving with a microformat.
Absolutely. A lot more work needs to be done. To take
Ben's original statement of the
Hello,
(Hopefully this will get to the mailing... haven't been able to get
through in a while. But we'll see)
I'm actually working on a globalization of currencies project right
now. (And have dealt with this issue in the past too.)
For us, each user of the system has a specified locale.
On 7/18/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe something like...
Pay me abbr class=currency title=CAD$/abbr5.00 now!
Something along these lines would be pretty sensible IMO
Some other things to consider... there might be an implicit currency
that comes with what's
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:12:11 +0200, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 18 Jul 2006, at 07:24, Ben Buchanan wrote:
The classic problem example would be a page stating a price of $50.
Is that Australian dollars? US dollars? Monopoly money? :)
This is certainly a worthy cause, but to play
Arve Bersvendsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
p lang=nbDen kanadiske prisen på t-skjorten var span
class=currency CAD34 $/span./p
I like this idea. The earlier abbr/ based one was good too.
You could of course also complicate this further by using inline elements
to separate value from
I may be totally out in left field because I haven't really studied
up on the wiki as much as I should have but wouldn't something like
this make more sense in terms of a currency microformat:
span class=moneyabbr class=currency title=CAD eng$/
abbrspan class=amount5.00/span/span
In this
On 7/18/06, Mike Stickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since there can be a difference between different languages within
countries I thought it might be a good idea to include that in the
currency definition of the formating, eg., CAD eng or CAD fr.
If you need to specify the language, for
On 7/18/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, a more complex example with multiple languages:
[...]
Sorry, screwed this up a bit. I meant to demonstrate different number
formatting.
p lang=en
Price:
span class=money
abbr class=currency title=GBPpound;/abbr
span
On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
It'd be pretty neat to have a browser widget that converted all the
USD prices on an American site into their equivalent GBP on mouseover,
or something along those lines.
It already is pretty neat:
http://viewmycurrency.wordpress.com/about/
On 7/18/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It already is pretty neat:
http://viewmycurrency.wordpress.com/about/
http://nybblelabs.org.uk/projects/exchequer
http://6v8.gamboni.org/Greasemonkey-Yahoo-Finance.html
Which prompts the question: what exactly is the problem we're trying
to
On 7/18/06 8:10 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
It'd be pretty neat to have a browser widget that converted all the
USD prices on an American site into their equivalent GBP on mouseover,
or something along those lines.
It
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ben
Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The classic problem example would be a page stating a price of $50.
Is that Australian dollars? US dollars? Monopoly money? :)
It seems to me that the issues with currency (whether or not
microformats are involved) are, or at
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Maybe something like...
Pay me abbr class=currency title=CAD$/abbr5.00 now!
Although something like the the following might be better...
Pay me span class=moneyabbr class=currency
title=CAD$/abbr5.00/span now!
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