Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats OpenSearch

2006-12-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shorthouse, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes ou wrote (END) [David Shorthouse wrote:] Please note my earlier comment on quoting formats. And this is exactly what uBio already provides with their LinkIT tool (http://names.mbl.edu/tools/linkit.php) and essentially

Re: [uf-discuss] New Microformats Cheatsheet PDF

2006-12-07 Thread brian suda
Ryan Cannon wrote: ... I till prefer ?, + and *, as I have to continually move my eye between the two charts in order to remember which is which. I would remember ?, + and *. --- while i agree, i am trying to strike a happy balance between those of use who KNOW the REGEX syntax and those who

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Costello, Roger L.
Mike Schinkel wrote: The core problem is no strategies have been adopted to avoid naming collisions, and to avoid having the whole concept self destruct from it's own weight of complexity. People who want to contribute but can't because the centralized Microformat community is not interested

Re: [uf-discuss] hrecipe examples

2006-12-07 Thread Ryan King
On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Ted Drake wrote: Hi All Are there any examples of an hrecipe encoded page? I realize it is still in development. I'd like to see if there has been any progress made and/or something to go by. I've looked at the twiki and there seems to be examples of recipe

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Ryan King
On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:45 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/5/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In HTML or JSON, new formats need new parsers, which must be written by someone. Exactly. The point is if you have a generic model you have a generic parser. Elias is coming from an

Re: [uf-discuss] Issue with fn org when also organization unit

2006-12-07 Thread David Janes
I Concur. On 12/7/06, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too. I think that the org-fn rule should state something to the effect that if organization-name is given, then if fn and organization-name match, then the hcard is an organization hcard. I've added this as an issue on

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
S. Sriram wrote: This is not a scarce resource, people can (and are) naming classes as they choose. Any constraint happens at the parsing stage, since microformat-aware parsers look for specific class names etc. (see below) If it is not a scarce resource, please tell me what would happen

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 12/7/06, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The RDF dream of having a generic parser and model has yet to win on the open web. I'm more than happy to let the market decide whether it's more value to have formats that are easy to publish, or those that are easy to parse (I'm sure you can

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Ryan King
On Dec 7, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/7/06, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The RDF dream of having a generic parser and model has yet to win on the open web. I'm more than happy to let the market decide whether it's more value to have formats that are easy to

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread S. Sriram
From: Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 5, 2006, at 8:48 AM, S. Sriram wrote: From: Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2006- December/00 8462.html I wonder if his issues can be addressed? How about a distributed parser-discovery

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread S. Sriram
From: Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] S. Sriram wrote: This is not a scarce resource, people can (and are) naming classes as they choose. Any constraint happens at the parsing stage, since microformat-aware parsers look for specific class names etc. (see below) If it is not a scarce resource,

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: If it is not a scarce resource, please tell me what would happen if I decided to start marking up documents, as an example, using the class directory and license, for purposes other than rel-directory and re-license? The classes wouldn't cause

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats OpenSearch

2006-12-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shorthouse, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Please note my earlier comment on quoting formats. [David Shorthouse wrote:] Sorry, you'll just have to tolerate it. Until Microsoft updates Office 2007 to deal with this possible bug with text email, I refuse to install 3rd

[uf-discuss] Mars Moon news stories

2006-12-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
Both Mars and the Moon have been in the news this week: * water on mars: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6214834.stm http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20061206b.html * Mars landers photographed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6211870.stm

RE: RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
--- these values are not reserved across all of HTML. We have a mechanism to prevent this, it is called Profile URIs, if a parser comes across class=vcard then the best way to determine if this is a random CSS Style or a semantic value is to see if there is a Profile URI that matched the

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
S. Sriram wrote: They would simply co-exist. Period My only response to your comments is that I strongly disagree with you, but as you appears you have a similar conviction it would be a waste of time to debate it further. -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/

RE: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] [citation] url field

2006-12-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ironically, this sounds like another real-world (i.e. not hypothetical) example of the need to provide a way to differentiate microformats. -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

differentiating microformats (was Re: RE: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] [citation] url field )

2006-12-07 Thread Michael McCracken
Mike, can you explain what you mean in the context of the citation format? I haven't been following many of the other threads on this list this week, so I don't know what you're referring to. Thanks! -mike On 12/7/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ironically, this sounds like another

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats OpenSearch

2006-12-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shorthouse, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes my forum (http://canadianarachnology.dyndns.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 118) It appears that Davis has now wiped the discussion of microformats from the forum on his website! -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats OpenSearch

2006-12-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shorthouse, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes my forum (http://canadianarachnology.dyndns.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 118) It appears that David has now wiped the discussion of microformats from the

[uf-discuss] species microformats: a penultimate reprise

2006-12-07 Thread Shorthouse, David
Andy et al., I temporarily subscribed to this listserv once again to: 1) apologize for allowing my emotions get in the way of what can be a fantastic solution to a very difficult problem and, 2) offer advice to take your proposed species microformats to the next level of resilience in the face

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats: a penultimate reprise

2006-12-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Shorthouse, David wrote: In the face of the mess taxonomy can be at times, it would be worth thinking about GUIDs like LSIDs for use in microformats for species. uBio is but one provider of LSIDs. There are at least a half dozen other providers and many more