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I have come up with this (valid) mark-up [2]:
but cannot see how to include hCalendars's location or URL. In this
case, the URL should be that of the page on which the event appears,
but obviously I don't want a self-link
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meta name=microformats content=tag hAtom xFolk /
Ironically, this is exactly the sort of thing microformats are against
using-
But it's not a microformat; it's metadata.
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One of the potholes is in my opinion the little intro text on the home
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What are microformats
job (or
other role, such as voluntary work)?
I would avoid class=title, anyway, as there's already a title
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I am developing a microformat proposal for plants.
What do you mean by plants? Garden plants? Plants as studied by
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title=homosapien
ITYM Homo sapiens (two words, capital H, closing s)
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Is OpenURL COinS http://ocoins.info/ a microformat? How widely used
is it? are there any alternative/ competing formats?
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has the same latin name
No, it has a scientific name.
Do we need to clarify that we're not talking about plastic plants or
photos of plants also?
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You might want to see:
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9507881-2-0./p
Is it acceptable to use 'OpenURL COinS' in this way:
span class=Z3988
title=ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004amp;rft.isbn=09507881200
9507881-2-0/span
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What, on the page you cite, do you think negates that concern?
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far more people who use ISBNs than zip codes (indeed,
more who know what an ISBN is, than do a zip code).
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I should be grateful for people's comments about the way I've added
hCard markup to :
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executive.htm
and especially how I might add the organisation component which is the
same for every person listed.
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to do so while again retaining the
format (but being willing to include additional data)
In each case, the pages are manually generated (for now), but it is my
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Bird Club/span/span/span
but it seems to me that:
span class=vcard fn n org id=clubWest Midland Bird
Club/span
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standard?
[1] I'm told that in some circles, the use of brainstorming in this
context is considered insensitive, even offensive, as it is also used in
the context of epilepsy or some related conditions.
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Thanks. I've done that.
Either FireFox's Tails Export extension doesn't yet now about the
include trick, or it's not working on:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executiveVCARD.htm
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Perhaps not a microformat, in the sense used here, but I feel that
there should be some way (or is there already?) for marking up an ISBN
number, so that it is recognisable as such.
Was this ever resolved? I recall
as something
meant for people writing agents for parsing microformat data, not
creating it.
It seems clear to me that, since its talking about markup that its for
authors.
You asked me to let you know if they lack clarity in any way; not
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with the original:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executive.htm
Right, you should certainly apply the above styling to all browsers,
as they each have their own difficulties with object elements.
And what about agents with no CSS capability? The method smacks of being
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)
There would be further complications where the entire currency has
disappeared, (such as French Francs into Euros) rather than just the
fractions of the main unit (as old English shillings/ pennies, into
new pence):
currency type=FFR equivalence=EUR0/1.5210/currency
[1] or whatever
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!
To me, the latter is better, because the number is included in the
markup, not merely the symbol.
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I got the page kicked off by capturing a few examples in the wild and
some of the brainstorming that took place here on the list.
Oddly, you seem to have overlooked my comments.
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Consider a defunct currency
Example:
http://charlesdickenspage.com/works.html
a novel cost 31 shillings in 1836, average worker earned 6 to 20
shillings per week) but a monthly installment, 32 pages
for modern-day equivalence to be calculated.
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Something like:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=18606/shilling to
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date=186020/shilling
shillings
Ack! That should be:
currency type=GBP unit=shilling date
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Some commercial providers say, 'I'm the
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All Google's pages validate of course...
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.
The date format July 19 20, 2006 is US-centric; offer a 19-20 July
2006 variant (with an ndash;, but no comma) and consider others.
Allow times to be presented in the more human-readable 7.30pm format.
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about 381,000,000 for worth today
including http://eh.net/hmit/ and
http://www.exeter.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html
about 15,800,000 for French franc
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One (or more, by the time you read this) of the events on this page is
marked up as an hCal. How does it look?
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/indexEXPAND.htm
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What's the correct way to mark up an hCal for an event which has no
duration?
And what's the correct way in which to mark up the event when, at the
end of daylight saving time, clocks go back from 3am to 2am - as a
single event at 3am?
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Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be anything on the 'hCard authoring'
page http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring, about marking up an
e-mail address.
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to the start and end times on
that page - how?
Done, now - is my mark-up correct (I'm in the UK)?
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One (or more, by the time you read this) of the events on this page is
marked up as an hCal.
They all are, now.
How does it look?
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/indexEXPAND.htm
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Like this
[of Almost Universal Microformat Parser:
http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/ ]
Fantastically useful site. Thank you.
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the hcard name(s) within vevent 20
fixed, thank you.
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I need to mark up a vcard for someone whose name is given as A. B.
Smith.
I can't seem to find such an example on the wiki. How should I do so?
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Here's my first stab at marking up one of my reviews with hReview:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/reviews/WarksBirding2005.htm
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:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/reviews/WarksBirding2005.htm
Mind you, it occurs to me that, while our visitors might make use of
hCard and hCalendar items, to add contacts and events to their address
book or diary programmes, hReview is of less use, to them.
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is being extracted from the title.
abbr class=dtreviewed title=200603March 2006/abbr
Done, thanks. I'm still not happy with using abbr in this way!
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See this post for
details and a movie, once it uploads:
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Because you've chosen to use a small font and pale grey text, I find
that page almost unreadable.
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uphill struggle, since I've been asking them for over a year to respect
null alt text for an image, when that image is not loaded)
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Mars Global Surveyor Science Sampler Data Set Collection, Coordinate
Systems:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/sci/CDsampler/document/volinfo.htm#5.%20Coordinate%20Systems%20and%20SPICE
[1] This could be rolled out for other planets, too.
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Somebody familiar with the geo microformat might want to add details,
and a link to the relevant page on the microformat Wiki, to the
Wikipedia page on Geotagging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotagging
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(aka http://tinyurl.com/ht3pt)
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with and
without the scientific names of a commonly-named species.
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There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and
animal names, to include their scientific names.
I'm tending towards this model:
sci (scientific name)
kingdom
phylum
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plant microformat
In any case, I've flagged up my proposal on the page you cited.
Or, rather, on :
http://microformats.org/wiki/plant-examples#See_Also
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It is also non-sensical, since, as I said previously, geo refers to
(planet) Earth.
What are the advantages of doing it that way?
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, with
a FireFox extension or GreaseMonkey script?
(The former would be preferable from my PoV)
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with Clementine data,
so the location (latitude, longitude, and elevation) of everything
will change again very soon
I believe the reference geoids for other planets are also under
revision
Thank you. I've put our thoughts, to date, on:
http://microformats.org/wiki/luna-brainstorming
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If you'd like to see it in action, try running it on
[...]
I did, and in the results pop-up, the pale grey text on a pale buff
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and meta-URL tags.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
The same dilemma applies to the organisation for all the contacts on,
say:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/club/executive.htm
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looks very good - nice and simple and functional :)
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Would have the markup...
abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00
Interesting, but is iso42172 better than currency?
Andy why is the currency symbol (#164;) needed there?
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and matters of taste rather than actual market/development
requirements.
I find your tone objectionable; and your claims fallacious.
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as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in
geo, etc.
Seconded. It only needs to be specified if there's more than one
standard in use.
[...]
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abbr class=currency title=USD
span class=amount42.67/span
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Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD?
I've commented before that microformats
into whatever datetime format the user preferred
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=symbol title=pound£/abbr14
6abbr class=symbol title=shillings/abbr
4abbr class=symbol title=old-pennyd/abbr
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or to sit down in
some other Semantic HTML (or something else)?
Inside a money-classed span?
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I, too, will testify that Tantek's just-the-facts-ma'am writing style
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I can assure you it won't grow on me; though just the facts would be
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(that either exist now or will exist in the future) for
marking up currency.
What currency code uses CDN for Canadian dollars - or we going to have
people inventing their own currency codes, too?
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I've created a draft, plain-English, page about hCalendar:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-intro
Do I take it that there's no further dissent over this?
I (or someone else, please...) just need to replace
are:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/whatsnew (no RSS)
http://www.hse.gov.uk/new/index.htm (has RSS)
and most of those found at:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22what%27s+new%22+%22on+this+website+%
22
Obvious components include an hCalendar, some text, and a URL.
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Would there be any mileage in a microformat for marking-up each entry,
so that they could be extracted by user-agents, and so that third-
party utilities could compile RSS
; you've said ...other currency codes
(besides ISO 4127) could be used...; and I'm asking what currency code
uses CDN. Seems you can't name one.
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You could mark this up as a table as well, but that seems to be
overkill.
It already is - and that suits me well.
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There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and
animal names, to include their scientific names.
Work to date at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/species-brainstorming
Shall I take everyone's
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How does this look:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/newATOM.htm
...
Am I right to use rel=bookmark for the pages which are linked to by
the entries?
My
shoehorn it into an
otherwise-incompatible microformat. I thought the whole point of
microformats is that there should be no need to do so?
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How does this look:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/newATOM.htm
I've only marked up the first two entries for 21 September.
I've now done the lot, and moved the results to:
http
to the latter page, albeit not once for each event.
All of these events do what?
I don't understand your question.
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Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-)
No. :-P
So, are you going to tell us which bit(s) you disagree with, or is it a
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up this:
http://www.uni-kl.de/FB-Biologie/AG-Hakenbeck/TGrebe/HPK/Table1.htm
Thanks, but there's nothing relevant there.
So I assume there's more prior work in this area. And if there's not,
we should document the lack as well.
I think there may be some. Ever heard of Linneaus? ;-)
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for currency, more
people who work in bioscience for species.
Indeed. In don't know anyone in finance (I have some standards! ;-) );
and I have had some interest from people interested in taxonomy, but
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Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit the year,
Nonsense.
Hardly. Few people use a year when giving a date that is close to the
current date.
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The first http://xoxotools.ning.com/hatom2rss.php is my site, I will
look into making your requested tweak to the script :)
No charge ;-)
(Seriously - thank you. Please let me/ us know when it's done.)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], David
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On 9/22/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've marked-up another page with hAtom:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ladywalk/latest.htm
using the format:
li class=hentry
abbr
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
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allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently
used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web.
Do you *really* think that species names are esoteric? *boggle*
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be no-one, then.
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Does what it says on the tin:
http://microformats.org/wiki/firefox-extensions
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King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan
King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I feel that there should be some way to declare, at the start of the
page, that all the events have the summary
be combined or related/linked in some way?
Done (under see also).
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
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I believe that chicken-littling is an Americanism meaning scare
mongering. If so, who is doing that?
The accessify link you pointed to is one such example though there have been
some threads in this list as well.
I
%28moon%29
Or is edge case a euphemisms for something which inconveniently
doesn't fit my arbitrary world-view?
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