Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-07 Thread Manu Sporny
Joe Andrieu wrote: There seemed to be partial agreement that hAudio means the individual audio recording, that being the simplest case to solve, although I agree with the contradiction in the above problem statements. The answer for multiple audio recordings on a page is to have multiple

RE: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-06 Thread Joe Andrieu
Manu Sporny wrote: Brian Suda wrote: --- now we are spiraling back to ideas of what people WANT rather than model what is being published. I agree - we should keep our focus on solving demonstrated needs as outlined by the audio-info-examples exploratory discussion. Right now, we are

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-06 Thread Manu Sporny
Joe Andrieu wrote: Manu Sporny wrote: Brian Suda wrote: --- now we are spiraling back to ideas of what people WANT rather than model what is being published. I agree - we should keep our focus on solving demonstrated needs as outlined by the audio-info-examples exploratory discussion.

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-06 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Colin Barrett wrote: A classical recording is a good example -- unlike popular music, the tracks on the album are often merely segments of a larger whole, f.e. Beethoven's Fifth is comprised of

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-06 Thread Manu Sporny
Scott Reynen wrote: halbum is the grouping Microformat for audio albums specifically - it can aggregate a number of haudio recordings together. halbum is the grouping of albums? I'm guessing this is a miscommunication, as I've seen no previous discussion of groups of albums. Please

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-06 Thread Manu Sporny
Scott Reynen wrote: Nobody seems to have raised any issues related to existing elements in the haudio draft in several weeks. I don't know how you can possibly think that. Multiple people have suggested changing the wiki entry in just the last few days, and you've said you don't think it

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 20:42 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: The alternative to the above that I thought you were going for was something like this: halbum playlist/XOXO haudio haudio haudio

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Scott Reynen wrote: The alternative to the above that I thought you were going for was something like this: halbum playlist/XOXO haudio haudio haudio haudio That makes sense to me. Ah crap... I seem to have caused confusion with my ramblings.

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Joe Andrieu wrote: It seems that halbum means we no longer requires this grouping abstraction. That is correct - but this has only come about in the last couple of days. I usually wait for some sort of concensus before updating the wiki. What is your definition for a playlist? I think we

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Martin McEvoy wrote: hmm problem here, what if our album has multiple content types not all albums are just playable music yes? I think what both Scott and Joe are referring to are audio albums. We aren't talking about video albums or multimedia albums. We should concentrate on solving the

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jun 5, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 20:42 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: The alternative to the above that I thought you were going for was something like this: halbum playlist/XOXO haudio

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Colin Barrett wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: The label haudio appears to be describing two distinct concepts here (1: album information, 2: individual track information), which I find confusing. That these two concepts share some properties, but that doesn't make

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jun 5, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Colin Barrett wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: The label haudio appears to be describing two distinct concepts here (1: album information, 2: individual track information), which I find confusing. That these two concepts share some

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 00:03 +, Brian Suda wrote: On 6/5/07, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin you have a good point here haudio would not be extended far enough to suit the classical communities needs when you take into account that Beethoven has nine symphonies with a

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Colin Barrett wrote: A classical recording is a good example -- unlike popular music, the tracks on the album are often merely segments of a larger whole, f.e. Beethoven's Fifth is comprised of four movements. All of the same information that

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Brian Suda wrote: --- now we are spiraling back to ideas of what people WANT rather than model what is being published. I agree - we should keep our focus on solving demonstrated needs as outlined by the audio-info-examples exploratory discussion. Right now, we are talking about audio albums.

RE: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Andrieu
Manu Sporny wrote: However, I do believe it is the simplest, most atomic problem we could start with. And therefore, probably our best chance for getting traction. The current hAudio proposal says Defining parts of an hAudio will not be complete without a complete grouping

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-01 Thread Brian Suda
On 5/31/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What ever happened to working on the media-format? The media-format was far too broad of a problem - that's why it hasn't moved forward in two years even though there are a great number of examples of marking up media on the web. It is far

RE: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-01 Thread Joe Andrieu
Manu Sporny wrote: Joe Andrieu wrote: From reviewing the examples [2], Thank you for that very thorough and well thought out argument, Joe. I agree with most of what you had to say, here's my $0.02 on the rest: I think there are five distinct semantic items here, at a minimum:

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-01 Thread Manu Sporny
Brian Suda wrote: I just think there was either, no interest in developing the format, or too many what if we add this happened and it never moved forward. It tends to be more of the latter when it comes to this list :) - lots of good ideas... in fact, too many to see clearly, sometimes. That

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-01 Thread Manu Sporny
Joe Andrieu wrote: We need examples of playlists to support your playlist argument... which we don't have. Sure we do. There are a bunch on the examples page, including the FIQL service I mentioned in my email. Are we looking at the same examples page?

RE: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-06-01 Thread Joe Andrieu
Manu Sporny wrote: Joe Andrieu wrote: We need examples of playlists to support your playlist argument... which we don't have. Sure we do. There are a bunch on the examples page, including the FIQL service I mentioned in my email. Are we looking at the same examples page?

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-05-31 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 12:56 +, Brian Suda wrote: On 5/31/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are only two things that are strongly supported by the audio-info-examples right now. Audio albums and audio podcasts (collections of audio). Here are the options: Option #1:

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-05-31 Thread Manu Sporny
Brian Suda wrote: --- firstly, microformats are not a how should we do this it is more of a how are things already being done? Option #2 is how it is already being done. The options were more about if we wanted to generalize the scope of the hAudio Microformat. It was to see if anybody had a

Re: [uf-new] hAudio - audio-album and audio-podcast

2007-05-31 Thread Manu Sporny
Martin McEvoy wrote: Your use of audio-album could cause problems later in the semantic meaning, iTunes has many celebrity playlists, which are not actually ALBUMS, but are a collection of related songs. The term podcast seems very 2005, in 4 years will we still use 'podcats' maybe, maybe not?