Re: Theorical question on dual core vs single CPU in routing setup.

2005-11-28 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Henning Brauer wrote: * Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-26 08:57]: Looking at the code of bgpd/ospfs, I don't see it design as using multiple treads ( doesn't mean I understand it fully either) so it wouldn't benefit from a dual

Re: Multiple Internet connections with CARP

2005-11-28 Thread Bo Rising Rasmussen
Joachim Schipper wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 09:13:36AM +0100, Bo Rising Rasmussen wrote: Hi all, I have searched a bit now, and have not seen anything on this subject. I have 2 different internet connections, which I would like to use for my CARP setup. I was thinking that they would

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:03:19PM -0500, Nick Holland said that You can do what you want, but your work will be ignored. a beautiful attitude. i hope the project won't acquire it also. because even though we are the lowest life form, the users of this system, we also contribute back as

Re: Multiple Internet connections with CARP

2005-11-28 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:01:21AM +0100, Bo Rising Rasmussen wrote: Joachim Schipper wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 09:13:36AM +0100, Bo Rising Rasmussen wrote: Hi all, I have searched a bit now, and have not seen anything on this subject. I have 2 different internet connections,

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread John G. Gavrilitsa
Heya, list! C'mon ppl, stop argue and yell at each other Just do whatever you feel it's necessary and propose your work - Original Message - From: frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: misc misc@openbsd.org Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: openbsd web site design

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

2005-11-28 Thread steven mestdagh
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:21:58AM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:31:31PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft said that Line 92 @pwd_mkdb = (pwd_mkdb, -p);# program for building passwd database and line 133 @pwd_mkdb = (pwd_mkdb, -p, -d, .); Isn't it more

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread John G. Gavrilitsa
... damn keyboard... where was I... Aaa.. Propose your work, no matter alfa/beta... for everybody's viewing pleasure Then and only then it would be decided by project's leader if it's worth to change something or not Does anybody drive on the right in Australia just because he feel it would be

Re: Multiple Internet connections with CARP

2005-11-28 Thread Bo Rising Rasmussen
Joachim Schipper wrote: SNIP ... is there something special I have to set up on the gateways, for this to work? Or should I just follow the manual, and set it up as if I had two gateways? Thanks for the help already! Regards, Bo You'll want to make sure that when the outer

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:52:27AM +0200, John G. Gavrilitsa said that Aaa.. Propose your work, no matter alfa/beta... for everybody's viewing pleasure i will, i will. hopefully others as well. we all know the mantra here. shut up and so on. just need some time, i did not except this

Re: Is there an Unlink Command?

2005-11-28 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 28 November 2005 05:34, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:58:08AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: How do I unlink a previously linked directory name? == /usr}sudo ln -f ports #I tried this since I couldn't find an unlink command ln: ports: is a directory

Re: Is there an Unlink Command?

2005-11-28 Thread Dave Feustel
Thanks All! rm did the trick. Dave On Monday 28 November 2005 05:44, Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hello! On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:58:08AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: How do I unlink a previously linked directory name? == /usr}sudo ln -f ports #I tried this since I couldn't find

Re: Is there an Unlink Command?

2005-11-28 Thread Juan J.
El lun, 28-11-2005 a las 04:58 -0500, Dave Feustel escribis: How do I unlink a previously linked directory name? With rm (a linked directory is not a directory but a link to a directory, that's a linked file directory entry). From rm(1): The rm utility attempts to remove the non-directory type

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-28 Thread Craig Skinner
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Hannah Schroeter wrote: I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I decided for 1024x768. Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. Agree with that. Craig.

Re: Is there an Unlink Command?

2005-11-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's called rm I finally figured that out. I thought there used to be an unlink command (on ATT Unix). Yes. Deleting a file actually just means to remove a hard link. The corresponding syscall is unlink(2). When no references are left, the file

LOGIN FAILURES ON ttyC0

2005-11-28 Thread Federico Giannici
Since a couple of days a lot of the following line are logged in /var/log/messages: Nov 28 12:30:23 arwen login: 9 LOGIN FAILURES ON ttyC0 What this means? Isn't ttyC0 the console? I'm sure that nobody is trying to log from the console... Thanks. --

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Marcin Wilk
If someone care the layout of book instead the content, he shouldn't read it. If someone care the layout of OpenBSD website more than content, he should change OS, use some other, that got nice website. At 12:20 2005-11-28, you wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:15:30PM +0100, Marcin

Re: AMD64 Experience Report: Pundit-AE3

2005-11-28 Thread Johan M:son Lindman
On Monday 28 November 2005 10.30, you wrote: Hi. Just in case anybody's interested in building an amd64 machine for using with OpenBSD: I wouldn't recommend the asus pundit ae3 barebone. It is based on what seems to be a KS-8-MV motherboard which has an sis chip providing SATA, Network and

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:33:49AM -0600, J Moore wrote: Why don't you cut the guy some slack - or at least shut your yap on this (puh-l-e-e-e-ze)? I don't see *any* of what you're claiming to be OpenBSD policy stated on the website. In fact I see a statement (somewhat) to the contrary:

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

2005-11-28 Thread Per-Olov Sjöholm
On Sunday 27 November 2005 19.39, Chris wrote: Hello everyone. I wanted to build an email server OBSD style. I have never done this, and it has been a while since I set one up (few years). I wanted to take advantage of many of the newer developments in the *nix email world. I am using

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J Moore
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:24:03AM -0500, the unit calling itself Kenneth R Westerback wrote: And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let the man speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the official OpenBSD bitch, please - let us know. As far as I can recall

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/27/05, David Ulevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Jeremy David wrote: Right now, OpenBSD.org's layout and design relies on a lot of old hacks, which break down for many users. I find that unacceptable, just as I find the general attitude that something

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jason Dixon
On Nov 28, 2005, at 9:37 AM, J Moore wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:24:03AM -0500, the unit calling itself Kenneth R Westerback wrote: And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let the man speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the official OpenBSD bitch, please - let

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J Moore
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 01:57:57AM -0500, the unit calling itself STeve Andre' wrote: Why don't you cut the guy some slack - or at least shut your yap on this (puh-l-e-e-e-ze)? I don't see *any* of what you're claiming to be OpenBSD policy stated on the website. In fact I see a statement

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J Moore
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:54:34AM -0500, the unit calling itself Jason Dixon wrote: I don't speak for Nick, but I imagine he probably feels a bit unappreciated when folks feel like nitpicking his design, when that is probably not his job (certainly not his focus) in the first place.

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fopenbsd.org%2Fcharset=%28dete ct+automatically%29doctype=Inli Openbsd.org is built on invalid, broken code. If you would like to know why web standards are important, you could read these

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

2005-11-28 Thread Said Outgajjouft
steven mestdagh wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:21:58AM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:31:31PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft said that Line 92 @pwd_mkdb = (pwd_mkdb, -p);# program for building passwd database and line 133 @pwd_mkdb = (pwd_mkdb, -p, -d, .);

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:37:56 -0600, J Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:24:03AM -0500, the unit calling itself Kenneth R Westerback wrote: And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let the man speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the official

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume it's because Nick is a VOLUNTEER that spends an unlimited amount of time keeping the site updated with CONTENT. He knows that no matter what design changes he wishes to make will undoubtedly be shot down by Theo since the site is

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

2005-11-28 Thread steven mestdagh
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft wrote: $ENV{'PATH'} = /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin; and that is where pwd_mkdb will be found. Hmm that doesn't answer my question. The answer I am looking for could be one of the following. 1. The PATH environment is local to

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jason Dixon
On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:06 AM, J Moore wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:54:34AM -0500, the unit calling itself Jason Dixon wrote: I don't speak for Nick, but I imagine he probably feels a bit unappreciated when folks feel like nitpicking his design, when that is probably not his job

Re: sent some www diffs, your one and last chance to flame me

2005-11-28 Thread fox
Playing with a layout that works already is senseless, but I see value in cleaning up the HTML of the existing pages. On 11/28/05, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of people. Standards are

Re: Filesystem redundancy

2005-11-28 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:50:13PM +, Julian Smith wrote: on filesystem redundancy I'm not sure I fully understand exactly what AFS offers in this area, but it comes with a lot of extra stuff that I don't need, and also seems very complicated. I think I'll persevere with

pfsync/carp via 2 ISP's

2005-11-28 Thread edgar mortiz
hey guys is there anyone here ever tried to put up a openbsd fail-over fw using 2 obsd boxes connected to 2 different ISP's ? something like: ISP1 (66.77.204.10) ISP2 (207.110.9.10) | fxp0 | fxp0 fwall0(firewall1-master) fwall1

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The website is hacky, invalid, and broken. broken? which page? which browser? Hi. Thanks for joining the conversation, Eric. I appreciate your question, but I believe to cite a particular

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of people. Standards are

Another Business Case for Integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-11-28 Thread Sean Comeau
Greetings, At the recent PacSec conference in Tokyo, I demonstrated how we can easily secure wireless networks with OpenBSD. This solution uses IPsec to protect the traffic between the wireless clients and the Access Points. Users authenticate using OpenSSH (authpf) before they are allowed

RE: sent some www diffs, your one and last chance to flame me

2005-11-28 Thread tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] all or nothing. make the pages match the quality of the code and the cd's. even if you don't care, other people do. I PAID for my CDs. I am happy with artwork, particularly the smirk on that puffer fish. I did not pay for the website. If I can stumble into the FAQ

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

2005-11-28 Thread jimmy
Quoting steven mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft wrote: $ENV{'PATH'} = /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin; and that is where pwd_mkdb will be found. Hmm that doesn't answer my question. The answer I am looking for could be one of

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J Moore
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:18:53AM -0800, the unit calling itself J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:37:56 -0600, J Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:24:03AM -0500, the unit calling itself Kenneth R Westerback wrote: And if it's the one-man show you

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Nick Holland
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:29:43AM -0500, Jeremy David wrote: On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume it's because Nick is a VOLUNTEER that spends an unlimited amount of time keeping the site updated with CONTENT. He knows that no matter what design changes he wishes

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd doesn't mean it's right, does it? -f -- bigamy: too many wives. monogamy: see bigamy.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that is clearly not true. -f -- the purpose of life is life with a purpose.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Jonathan Glaschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:00AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's exactly the problem. Creating good html code means to me to look at the stardards

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that is clearly not true. Sure, should be something

Re: LOGIN FAILURES ON ttyC0

2005-11-28 Thread Federico Giannici
eric wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 12:59:18 +0100, Federico Giannici proclaimed... Isn't ttyC0 the console? I'm sure that nobody is trying to log from the console... It is the first virtual terminal on x86 architectures. Logs don't lie, so you might want to track it down, or see if you're

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd doesn't mean it's right, does it? Certainlly doesn't mean it's wrong. Almost certainly means it's OpenBSD What system were you

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:08 +0100 frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that is clearly not true.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The website is hacky, invalid, and broken. broken? which page? which browser?

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:35:57PM -0501, Nick Holland said that NAME ONE. Name one person. Name one browser. Name one problem. OR SHUT UP. so small problems or quirks are not problems anymore? honestly Nick, go compare the code to the pages and you should blush. Validation is NOT

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread dreamwvr
Hi, This is getting real old. _CONTENT_IS_KING_ nothing else matters here. As Nick said it is about functionality. This .org is not about winning any website design awards.. It is about the OS goals set by Theo of OpenBSD. Browsers do whatever it is their developers/corps decide always

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:27:56 -0600, J Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did think - I actually thought pretty carefully about what I said. I tried to avoid actually *calling* Nick the OpenBSD bitch; instead I asked him if he was. Yeah - it's kind of a fine line... Have you given up molesting

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NAME ONE. Name one person. Name one browser. Name one problem. OR SHUT UP. I believe I've mentioned several problems in this thread which occur with several browsers. I suppose that I had hoped that the OpenBSD team would greet new ideas

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 29/11/2005, at 4:47 AM, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd doesn't mean it's right, does it? The OpenBSD project does not fix the broken browsers which visit the

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)]

2005-11-28 Thread Jonathan Glaschke
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 01:07:02PM -0500, Jeremy David wrote: On 11/28/05, Jonathan Glaschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:00AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's exactly the problem.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Sime Ramov
On 13:28 Mon 28 Nov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They welcome contributers. You are not a contributor. And it won't become one because of all the people on this mailing lists with such attitude. -- http://coastaldisturbance.com/

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:03:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that is clearly not true. -f --

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Shane J Pearson
Hi Nick, On 29/11/2005, at 4:36 AM, Nick Holland wrote: Unfortunately, I care about the work I do. I do read (or at least skim) every message (ok, almost every...I've started an ignore list of people who warrent not ever giving a response to) that goes through misc@, looking for a tidbit

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I think he did, too. That's why I don't understand Nick insulting the guy, and bashing his ideas. Clearly Nick's opinions don't mesh, but why would he pursue this cross-thread vendetta? The only result of this sort of behavior is that a potential contributor is alienated. You say contributor,

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-28 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
3) Write it for an older release [...] 4) Publish it, let it rot. amen to that. This message is essentially amplifying what Nick says, so please feel free to skip if documentation is not your thing. I may be somewhat biased, but looking at what google serves up for the keywords OpenBSD

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea has been mentioned in this thread that it's too difficult to make websites work in multiple browsers and still be valid. That idea is simply incorrect. Here's an example.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Tom Cosgrove
frantisek holop 28-Nov-05 18:03 hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that is clearly not true. It is true. Off the top of my head I can

Re: Theorical question on dual core vs single CPU in routing setup.

2005-11-28 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Henning Brauer wrote: * Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-26 08:57]: Isn't it that all the routing changes anyway, either from BGPd or OSPFd are both ending in the PF table at the kernel level. That's what I understand

Averatec 3250HX-01: Powernow-K7, ACPI, EHCI failures

2005-11-28 Thread Matthew L. Shobe
I've installed the November, 27 snapshot on an Averatec 3250HX-01 with an Athlon XP-M processor and KM400 chipset. APM does not work, nor does ACPI, EHCI, or CPU throttling. Continued... OpenBSD 3.8-current (GENERIC) #274: Sun Nov 27 12:59:22 MST 2005 [EMAIL

Re: CPU time off by a factor of two

2005-11-28 Thread scorch
intel powerstep or any other garbage -- try turning it off in the BIOS? cheers, scorch -- out of the frying pan and into the fire

Strange output on cvsweb

2005-11-28 Thread Hans Kremers
Hi, I might be mistaken, but http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pci/ lists only a single file, whereas my local source tree has lot's of them. Does look strange Best regards, Hans

Re: recurring network freeze using dc(4) with Netgear FA310TX

2005-11-28 Thread Gabriel M. Wachman
Replying to my own message from 20051126: In case anyone is interested, the problem seems to be related to the APM settings in the BIOS. Disabling APM altogether seems to have fixed the problem.

Re: I have $300

2005-11-28 Thread Sean Comeau
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 02:29:21PM -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote: The alternative is to use a dual P3 that we have but I am still interested in optimum availibility. Do I implement RAID 1 with two drives.OR does this create more problems that it is worth by introducing more parts to

Re: Strange output on cvsweb

2005-11-28 Thread Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:26:46 +0100 Hans Kremers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I might be mistaken, but http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pci/ lists only a single file, whereas my local source tree has lot's of them. Does look strange Best regards, Hans Theo already

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread David Coppa
Yes, Stop this flame fest, please. I think all the misc@ readers are tired. -David On 11/28/05, Paul Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the OpenBSD team is extremely focused on what they do best, writing good code, and these irrelevant sideshows on things that don't matter is incredibly

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy David
On 11/28/05, Sime Ramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13:28 Mon 28 Nov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They welcome contributers. You are not a contributor. And it won't become one because of all the people on this mailing lists with such attitude. -- http://coastaldisturbance.com/ Neither

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread JR Dalrymple
Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:03:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove We welcome new contributors, because that

Openbsd.org down?

2005-11-28 Thread Paulo Rodriguez
Hi guys, Subject says it all. Error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 Issues? P

what happend to http://www.openbsd.org/translation.html

2005-11-28 Thread Oliver Fuchs
Hi, at the moment I am reading the text of http://www.openbsd.org/translation-explained.html#Joining From here I wanted to go to http://www.openbsd.org/translation.html but this link gives me Not Found The requested URL /translation.html was not found on this server. Does anyone knows what

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Michael Scheliga
Just for the record, there are many, many silent users that have used OpenBSD and followed misc@ and other OpenBSD lists for years and years that are getting really tired of the handful of common users that keep clogging up these lists with total shit. While I feel people like me should read

Re: Openbsd.org down?

2005-11-28 Thread Bob Beck
now fixed. -Bob * Paulo Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-28 15:39]: Hi guys, Subject says it all. Error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 Issues? P -- | | | The ASCII

Re: Openbsd.org down?

2005-11-28 Thread Chris
Paulo Rodriguez wrote: Hi guys, Subject says it all. Error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 Issues? P Seems up to me -- Best regards, Chris If several things that could have gone wrong have not

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

2005-11-28 Thread Per-Olov Sjöholm
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 00.00, Chris wrote: Thank you for your response. I have tried this, incrementing C,S,R, and E (you didn't really say which), and wound up increasing all of the to 15m. I also changed my clamd.conf to 900 seconds as you suggested. Same thing happens. It quits

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 28/11/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea has been mentioned in this thread that it's too difficult to make websites work in multiple browsers and still be valid. That

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

2005-11-28 Thread Chris
That did it! You are the greatest! *Thank you!* I remembered /etc/clamd.conf, but I forgot about /etc/smtp-vilter/clamd.conf -- I had it to 900, but the timeout was still commented! A slip of the finger... I checked the other clamd.conf and my sendmail about a million times, but I forgot

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:53:45AM -0800, the unit calling itself J.C. Roberts wrote: I would assume that J.C. Roberts is a human, not a unit, whatever that is supposed to imply. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:27:56 -0600, J Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did think - I

Re: missing xserv38.tgz for sgi o2

2005-11-28 Thread Theo de Raadt
I've installed 3.8 on an sgi o2. All seems to run but not the xserver. I looked at the x386 dist and saw that there is no xserv38.tgz for sgi. I've tried mirrors in de and sg without success. Is there something special I should looking for? There is no X server for the sgi yet. Nor

Re: missing xserv38.tgz for sgi o2

2005-11-28 Thread dustin
X server support is listed in the projects section of the sgi port page: http://openbsd.org/sgi.html I suspect there isn't an open source xserver implementation for the O2 graphics. You might have luck building X from sources and using a PCI card. Dustin I've installed 3.8 on an sgi o2. All

Re: #define failure opportunity

2005-11-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...However, OpenSSH deviates from the standards in its SCP (Secure Copy Protocol) implementation. SSH Tectia Client and Server now incorporate a compatibility mode for OpenSSH SCP, which still uses the old Secure Shell version 1 (SSH1)

Re: #define failure opportunity

2005-11-28 Thread Qv6
On Monday 28 November 2005 04:04 pm, Theo de Raadt wrote: This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. Other people do it for us ;) http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ And... thanks to those of you who supported us when they were threatening to sue us years

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using a mozilla 1.7 browser, with CSS on, JavaScript off. And it doesn't run javascript. Outside my area of expertise, but that seems normal somehow. The menus on the referenced cerealport.com web-site don't expand at http://cerealport.com does not answer

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread J Moore
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:29:36AM -0700, the unit calling itself Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

2005-11-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On 11/27/05, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it shouldn't. you might get files landing in the wrong directory (i'm not really sure this is possible either, but it's probably the worst that could happen), but there shouldn't be any real disk corruption. i had files not showing up

Re: #define failure opportunity

2005-11-28 Thread Matthew Weigel
Christian Weisgerber wrote: That caused me to raise an eyebrow as well, but I think they refer to the protocol of scp(1) itself, not the SSH1/2 protocol of the underlying SSH session. The phrasing certainly is confusing. I think you mean misleading. :-) -- Matthew Weigel

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

2005-11-28 Thread Tan Dang
On 11/28/05, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/05, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it shouldn't. you might get files landing in the wrong directory (i'm not really sure this is possible either, but it's probably the worst that could happen), but there shouldn't be

Re: bios support for console redirection to the serial port

2005-11-28 Thread Lars Hansson
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:47:22 -0500 Kevin Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read that Supermicro products are all standard hardware components that do not lock you in to using Supermicro hardware for upgrades. Is that generally agreed upon in here? I'm very happy with our Supermicro's so far

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

2005-11-28 Thread Josh Grosse
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:47:25PM -0600, Tan Dang wrote: I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my particular case, I put Windows XP into hibernation mode and booted to OpenBSD. I copied some ogg files from the ffs partition to the fat

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Lars Hansson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500 Jeremy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openbsd.orgcharset=%28det ect+automatically%29 There are 5 errors on the main page alone. And this is a *real*

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

2005-11-28 Thread Damien Miller
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Tan Dang wrote: I have had this problem of files not showing up on the fat partition after moving the files over from ffs also. I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my particular case, I put Windows XP into hibernation

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

2005-11-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On 11/28/05, Tan Dang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had this problem of files not showing up on the fat partition after moving the files over from ffs also. I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my particular case, I put Windows XP into

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:30:05PM -0600, J Moore wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:29:36AM -0700, the unit calling itself Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Tony
Jacob Meuser wrote: this is how the world works: ignore the whiners, they offer nothing useful. Some irresistable straight lines?

Re: #define failure opportunity

2005-11-28 Thread Lars Hansson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:43:34 -0600 Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Weisgerber wrote: That caused me to raise an eyebrow as well, but I think they refer to the protocol of scp(1) itself, not the SSH1/2 protocol of the underlying SSH session. The phrasing certainly is