On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Secure by default. Ship with nothing and call it secure. Wow! Maybe it
shouldn't start the network by default, huh? Then that's secure, isn't
it? Start no daemons, start no shells: ZOMG!!! it's secure :P
Oddly, I find this more sensible than
BUT I WILL STILL GO ON SPREADING THE LIE THAT OpenBSD CONTAINS
NON-FREE SOFTWARE SO PEOPLE ARE MISLEAD
I never intentionally said such a thing. It was a misunderstanding,
because I chose words that were subject to misinterpretation.
I appreciate having been informed about the
From the look of Stallman's message, it seems as if he thinks copying
software is totally free, which in reality it costs a bit more than
just plain free.
That's often true. (And even if it doesn't cost you money, it may
take some of your time.) But I don't think that changes the
Developing a program ( real software ) for a non-free platform is big
encouragement by loud communication ( actions speak better than words
) to use or continue using that non-free platform.
There are two issues here: the practical effects, and the message conveyed.
The practical
Richard Stallman wrote:
I appreciate the work that OpenBSD has done in this area.
It is an important contribution to our community.
Curious that it should take this long to obtain that admission from you.
Lies and insults are a strange way of showing appreciation.
On Jan 6, 2008 9:43 AM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
allow them to be
Karthik Kumar
On Jan 6, 2008 1:52 PM, Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Karthik Kumar wrote:
So registration form = non-free. You failed to prove how
it was not
free.
Maybe your information is worthless.
Mine isn't.
So it is about the money. :-) The value of your
Karthik Kumar wrote:
No. It is a reply to someone who said it was not the money.
about the money??? --- what money?
There is no money involeved with the free registrations
Or is the free registration, and the desire to avoid such,
somehow about the money that desn't exist?
that desn't
On Jan 6, 2008 1:39 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developing a program ( real software ) for a non-free platform is big
encouragement by loud communication ( actions speak better than words
) to use or continue using that non-free platform.
There are two issues
On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Karthik Kumar wrote:
openvpn 2.0.x is in the ports: not by default. PF is not enabled by
default.
Deliberately ignoring the point doesn't make it any less relevant.
I have a Sun Blade 100 with OpenBSD 4.2-current (Dec 18). I'm trying
to configure it as a router/access point for my home network. The
hardware is as shipped from Sun except that I have added an extra
network card and a wireless card (re0 and ral0). I can send a dmesg
if anyone thinks it would
Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend?
--
Regards
Koh Choon Lin
a href=http://profiles.friendster.com/42928535;Best Teacher in
Singapore/a
2008/1/6, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From the look of Stallman's message, it seems as if he thinks copying
software is totally free, which in reality it costs a bit more than
just plain free.
That's often true. (And even if it doesn't cost you money, it may
take some of
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users installing
| non free software if it is what they want. The FAQ is where this needs to
| be documented for users to get their job done faster.
|
|
| If you don't
2008/1/6, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
down your name and address for contact details or whatever. I don't
see why a registration form must be non-free here.
Well like... is it not that freedom number 3 or something as defined
by fsf say something like freedom to to distribute to your
2008/1/6, Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:25:37 +1100, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Just create a file and filling it with /dev/zero until it takes up all
the free spaces, then rm -P that file.
But from his original post he wants to make sure everything is cleanly
ReactOS is a free software operative system with a support database
that indicates which programs it can run.
If I understand you weird meaninig of promotion, then you'll find this
a bad thing too, right?
Yes. Thank you for showing me those specific problems.
I will discuss them
On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Deliberately ignoring the point doesn't make it any less relevant.
I am saying that the secure by default doesn't hold because lots of
people use ports.
Most people do. Extending your UNIX system to make it work as you want
is a basic,
What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an application,
You could consider an OS an application, and you could consider
hardware software, just as you could consider the Earth a pumpkin. My
response is that you're starting from assumptions I find questionable,
so I don't
Hello.
After upgrading kernel to -current I'm getting Abort trap (core duped)
with pflogd, and log entry in /var/log/messages
pflogd: stack overflow in function if_exists
With -stable there's no such problem.
Should I chnange anything elese to use pflogd with -current kernel?
dmesg:
OpenBSD
On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest
analogies I have ever heard. Who came up with it anyway?
Free as in yeast infection, not free as in beer.
Free
On Jan 6, 2008 1:13 PM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So registration form = non-free.
YES! Did you fill the form when you downloaded OpenBSD? NO!
You failed to prove how it was not
free.
NO! You failed to see how it was proved.
I will leave the home work to you.
I asked if it
Notwithstanding the mentioned 5% issue, in context and for the purposes
of secure wipes, is it not better to use
/dev/arandom (or /dev/srandom) vs. /dev/zero
as in
dd if=/dev/arandom ...
/S
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From: Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eric Furman
Dude... it is on the endorsement list on gnu.org you talked about in
the beginning how you cannot include OpenBSD in it...
http://gnu.org/links/links.html
Thank you. Now I know where to remove the link if it comes to that.
I have a feeling that list is maintained by your 'FSF
As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on
non-free platforms (and say that they do), because this doesn't
recommend the installation of those non-free platforms. But free
systems should not recommend, suggest, or offer to install non-free
apps.
I don't think OpenBSD users understand what you mean by recommend
non-free software,
I explained it earlier in this thread.
so if you could, please, give an example by
showing where OpenBSD (web-site?) says that it recommend non-free
software and the URL.
On Jan 6, 2008 12:52 PM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Secure by default. Ship with nothing and call it secure. Wow! Maybe it
shouldn't start the network by default, huh? Then that's secure, isn't
it? Start no daemons, start no shells: ZOMG!!! it's secure :P
So which all daemons
You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,
Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
Stallman padded up one aisle in his stocking feet talking into what
looked
By using and endorsing gNewSense???
It seems you really don't read what's going on there, people working on it
more or less scream out it's an impossible mission the way it's setup now
and
the project goals are not met for the foreseeable future.
I don't read the gNewSense
Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine.
Or:
Run GNOME on a virtual machine using QEMU on Linux or **Parallels**
for **Mac** or Linux.
promoting the use of non-free software?
This is a case of running a free program on non-free platforms.
Nonetheless, I
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
check for me.
Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions
get reflected in what you say?
Absolutely. FSF
On 2008/01/06 03:10, Max Hayden Chiz wrote:
But, loading very complex websites (yahoo, YouTube) takes so long that
the HTTP connection will reset before the browser is done. I can't
figure out why this is happening and didn't find anything similar when
I searched the archives.
Sounds like it
On 2008/01/06 11:41, Rafal Brodewicz wrote:
After upgrading kernel to -current I'm getting Abort trap (core duped)
with pflogd, and log entry in /var/log/messages
You didn't mention upgrading userland - you must also do that.
Amarendra Godbole wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest
analogies I have ever heard. Who came up with it anyway?
Free as in yeast
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 05:47:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on
non-free platforms (and say that they do), because this doesn't
recommend the installation of those non-free platforms. But free
systems
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:44:48 +
Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:35PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well OpenBSD is fine here. But, are you sure about RMS?
On Jan 6, 2008 11:46 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,
Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
Stallman
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:13:25PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
allow them to be
Richard Stallman wrote:
Developing a program ( real software ) for a non-free platform is big
encouragement by loud communication ( actions speak better than words
) to use or continue using that non-free platform.
There are two issues here: the practical effects, and the message
Richard Stallman wrote:
What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an application,
You could consider an OS an application, and you could consider
hardware software, just as you could consider the Earth a pumpkin. My
response is that you're starting from assumptions I find
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:52:04PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 1:22 AM, Jacob Grydholt Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use ports. I am not dumb. :P The goals do not specify to encourage
people to use
non-free
Please keep this on-list or out of my mailbox.
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 03:38:43PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
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| Paul de Weerd wrote:
| On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| | On another hand we are not GNU/GPL
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:56:08AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary
system as it allows more people to run free software. How is it that it
is
Hi,
I'm running spamd-setup via regular cronjob every 20 minutes. Sometimes the
spamd-setup process seems to hang and does not finish within this period,
although all black- and whitelists are local files.
Is there a way define timeouts for tasks of spamd-setup? What solution is
recommended for
Richard Stallman wrote:
What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an application,
You could consider an OS an application, and you could consider
hardware software, just as you could consider the Earth a pumpkin. My
response is that you're starting from assumptions I find
2008/1/6, visc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This really is getting old... it's getting harder to want to even go
through new messages in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seconded. IMHO this all belongs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best
Martin
Richard
Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? Why are you replying on
everybody else to point these things you to you?
Why cant you just go to google like everybody else? Perhaps you would not
have so many mistakes or misunderstandings.
A while ago you also pointed out that people
So the FSF told you OpenBSD contains non-free software and you said
EXACTLY what they told you on the talk?
So the FSF are hypocrites and liars!
On Jan 6, 2008 12:46 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
the
I am pleased to announce that ComixWall ISG 4.2 has been released.
ComixWall is an Internet Security Gateway (ISG): FOSS UTM firewall
running on OpenBSD, with a user-friendly web interface for
administration and monitoring. ComixWall is unique, first of its kind in
many ways.
Highlights of this
A few of the interface related ioctl-based interfaces changed between
4.2 and -current. You are mixing a -current kernel with a release
userland. Of course some system utilities will break; it happens all
the time. If they did not, we'd not be able to make improvements to
OpenBSD.
What you are
On Jan 6, 2008 4:16 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,
Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
Stallman
Richard Stallman wrote:
I don't personally do most of our web site maintenance, of course.
But I take responsibility for removing this link if it should not be
there.
Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL
injection vulnerabilities?
I have found a
On Jan 6, 2008 7:47 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine.
Or:
Run GNOME on a virtual machine using QEMU on Linux or **Parallels**
for **Mac** or Linux.
promoting the use of non-free software?
This is
Florian Fuessl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm running spamd-setup via regular cronjob every 20 minutes. Sometimes the
spamd-setup process seems to hang and does not finish within this period,
although all black- and whitelists are local files.
I would try to figure out why the process stalls.
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Paul de Weerd wrote:
I repeat : keep this onlist or out of my mailbox.
This one is on the list.
| Oh.. so that is your argument; Just because you don't keep it in
| distfiles doesn't make you any right. jolan is a developer of OpenBSD.
| Look in
Martin Schrvder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2008/1/6, visc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This really is getting old... it's getting harder to want to even go
through new messages in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seconded. IMHO this all belongs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I for one would be very pleased to see the
I repeat : keep this onlist or out of my mailbox.
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 06:16:38PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
| | Look, first the blobs may do whatever. Userland can equally do
| | whatever. Adobe Flash Player restricts my freedom because the whole
| | world is putting Flash sites and I
On Jan 6, 2008 12:45 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Amarendra Godbole wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest
analogies I have ever heard.
(Sorry, I deleted the original thread so here's a new one)
Open Source Hardware has now been officially recognized as a phenom
by the Establishment:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/business/06novel.html?ex=1357275600en=592b78a8b11af008ei=5088partner=rssnytemc=rss
-g
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:42:47PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
| Paul de Weerd wrote:
| I repeat : keep this onlist or out of my mailbox.
|
| This one is on the list.
Thank you.
| Yes, it really is very bad that Jolan committed all that non-free
| stuff to OpenBSD. How could he ! OpenBSD
If you feel this way you might want to tell RMS and cronies that. He
will not get the last word on this.
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:57:28PM -0800, visc wrote:
This really is getting old... it's getting harder to want to even go
through new messages in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not siding with
Thank you very much for your swift reply. Using 'scrub on enc0
max-mss 1310 no-df' immediately solved the problem.
I have two questions though, since 1310 is smaller than needed, how
do I determine the correct setting to use after max-mss? I understand
that in theory I want to subtract the
On Jan 6, 2008 3:12 PM, V. Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Run make install on that directory (www/opera-flashplugin) and woohoo!
so _you_ decided to install non-free software. The question is why .
Nothing forced you to install it.
--
- benont
--
- benont
Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player
on your machine (your example a little bit later in this mail seems to
indicate you have at least installed it). That's non-free software
you've installed, but you are free to do so. Then, to you, those four
small files
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote:
In the case of hardware, it would mean it is too expensive to copy...
which it could be... so does that mean freedom to copy something
became irrelevant as the cost of copying becomes relatively expensive?
When something is impractical to
On Jan 6, 2008 6:22 PM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player
on your machine (your example a little bit later in this mail seems to
indicate you have at least installed it). That's non-free software
you've installed,
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:13:25PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
allow them to be
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:46:42PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
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Gilles Chehade wrote:
I don't care about puppy linux or slax, I am just pointing out that
you talked out of your ass and made an uninformed comment again
when you said that
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote:
I don't think OpenBSD users understand what you mean by recommend
non-free software,
I explained it earlier in this thread.
so if you could, please, give an example by
showing where OpenBSD (web-site?) says that it
Hallo!
I would be thankful if somebody comments on the following sequence to
upgrade OpenBSD system. The main purpose is to make an upgrade with as
little downtime as possible and to have a way to return to the last
known working state. Essentially it involves creating temporary
dual-boot
On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player
| on your machine (your example a little bit later in this mail seems to
| indicate you
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:39:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 10:35 PM, Gilles Chehade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:46:42PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
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Gilles Chehade wrote:
I don't care
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player
| on your machine (your example a little bit later in this mail seems to
| indicate you have at least installed it). That's non-free software
| you've
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:07, Benoit Chesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 3:12 PM, V. Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Run make install on that directory (www/opera-flashplugin) and
woohoo!
so _you_ decided to install non-free software. The question is why .
Nothing forced
Richard Stallman wrote:
In the case of hardware, it would mean it is too expensive to copy...
which it could be... so does that mean freedom to copy something
became irrelevant as the cost of copying becomes relatively expensive?
When something is impractical to copy, then the
Peter N. M. Hansteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm running spamd-setup via regular cronjob every 20 minutes. Sometimes
the
spamd-setup process seems to hang and does not finish within this period,
although all black- and whitelists are local files.
I would try to figure out why the process
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:04:07AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
See ? This is an example, it is unrelated to money, and you still failed
to show us ONE point where we don't stick to our goals.
So registration form = non-free. You failed to prove how it was not
free. I asked if it
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:50:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player
| on your machine (your
I appreciate the work that OpenBSD has done in this area.
It is an important contribution to our community.
Curious that it should take this long to obtain that admission from you.
Why do you think it took a long time?
I said it a couple of weeks ago too.
I also said it a
On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:20, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash
player
| on your machine (your
- vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware
- OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
hardware work out of the box
- vendor A says if a customer
That itself has problems. Do you mean home computer users? From what I
know, most large companies, including hardware vendors, and
governments uses computers as well, so they are too computer users,
thus copy hardware aren't impractical for every computer users in
general.
A
Really? All those wifi/raid/cpu/etc cards/chips out there that need
firmware, you think they're not a mix of both microcontroller code
and
other binary bits that configure an ASIC or FPGA?
I am not a hardware expert; I don't know sort of hardware the
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:50:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| You are making an argument that Makefiles are useless when we are
| discussing the free-ness of OpenBSD. It doesn't have a lot to do with
| the subject at hand (again...), but there you go.
|
| You argued Makefiles are FREE. See
Karthik Kumar wrote:
Okay, I didn't install it.
You did install it?
You didn't install it?
You don't know whether you did or didn't?
Seems like there is a substantial disconnect from reality.
It obviously was poor choice of words and I am sorry for
saying it.
Thanks.
Sorry for calling you on it, but I'm annoyed enough at having
to read these hundreds of RMS-related messages in the first
place.
When will you people give up? Some of us feel obligated to keep
up with the lists and
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:09:42PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
- vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware
- OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
On Jan 6, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
Absolutely. FSF staff checked the BSD versions and told me what
found. I do not redo their work after they do it; I trust that they
did it well.
Their report about OpenBSD was accurate.
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake.
Florian Fuessl wrote:
I'm running spamd-setup via regular cronjob every 20 minutes. Sometimes the
spamd-setup process seems to hang and does not finish within this period,
although all black- and whitelists are local files.
Is there a way define timeouts for tasks of spamd-setup? What solution
I have nothing against getting paid to write software, as such. I
criticize non-free software, software that doesn't respect users'
essential freedoms, but that has nothing to do with whether the
programmer gets paid. Getting paid to write free software (which many
people do) is fine. Writing
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:09:42PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
- vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware
- OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
Floor Terra wrote:
I have no problem problem with name calling but what do you hope to
accomplish by you request to call GNU bullshit?
Although my opinion of GNU is not as positive as it was before this
whole RMS vs OpenBSD discussion, I will not insult people just to receive
free gifts
Floor
Richard Stallman wrote:
That itself has problems. Do you mean home computer users? From what I
know, most large companies, including hardware vendors, and
governments uses computers as well, so they are too computer users,
thus copy hardware aren't impractical for every computer
On Jan 6, 2008 7:42 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Floor Terra wrote:
I have no problem problem with name calling but what do you hope to
accomplish by you request to call GNU bullshit?
Although my opinion of GNU is not as positive as it was before this
whole RMS vs OpenBSD discussion, I
Imre Oolberg wrote:
Hallo!
I would be thankful if somebody comments on the following sequence to
upgrade OpenBSD system. The main purpose is to make an upgrade with as
little downtime as possible and to have a way to return to the last
known working state. Essentially it involves creating
Hello,
My ISP (free.fr) now proposes to me a native connectivity in IPV6.
I wish to implement this functionality on my network, that here:
SwitchFirewallISP BoxISP Network/Internet
__ ___ ___
|PC1|---| | vr0 |
Floor Terra wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 7:42 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Floor Terra wrote:
I have no problem problem with name calling but what do you hope to
accomplish by you request to call GNU bullshit?
Although my opinion of GNU is not as positive as it was before this
whole RMS vs
I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only
responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to
all paragraphs.
I am struggling with what ethics mean to you. Could you explain that
please?
And if you don't mid could you reply to the original email and
Paul Greidanus wrote:
Richard Stallman wrote:
In the case of hardware, it would mean it is too expensive to
copy...
which it could be... so does that mean freedom to copy something
became irrelevant as the cost of copying becomes relatively
expensive?
When something is
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Karthik Kumar wrote:
Okay, I didn't install it.
You did install it?
You didn't install it?
You don't know whether you did or didn't?
Seems like there is a substantial disconnect from reality.
Karthik Kumar is probably using GNG.
GNG is not GNG.
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