Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? Dhu

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Tony Abernethy
Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? Euclidean and ono-Euclidian geometries should suffice.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 08:56:33AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: | @Paul: No matter how many fucking emails you send, you will never be | able to reason it out, you moron. I'm glad you've resorted to namecalling. That'll surely help you find the non-free files in OpenBSD. Please remember to send

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too. However, when a person tells me his OS is free, I have not

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but when you redefine free to mean something specific, you redefine your own language. It's normal to develop criteria for what free means in specific activities. Consider, for instance, free elections. Human rights organizations

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
Stay on list or stay out of my inbox. --- Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a more serious note: everybody who criticizes the other of non-free software must come clean first: No clean, no talk. Sophistry. If there is problems in logic, etc then one need not be of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Roberto J. Dohnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? When I choose an OS I don't go to Richard and the FSF, I choose the OS I want to use whether its Kubuntu or PCLinuxOS for the desktop (with all

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
Stay on list or stay out of my inbox. --- Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 7:23 AM, Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which OpenBSD does. You have failed to show otherwise. To show that OpenBSD follows them as goals? Ah, perhaps. :-) And you've continued to

Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-07 Thread openbsd puffy
Good Morning, In an effort to help support OpenBSD and its masses I am offering myself to you as a once-live preserved Puffy the Blowfish in limited quantities. I am seeking pre-orders to determine the qualifications of the numbers for the registered limited editions. I have three types of

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Duncan Patton a Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? +1 I'd love an example of Math being inconsistent. Quite

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 08:56:33AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You see, rms? You were right. OpenBSD has lots of trolls who: a. Don't find out about the person who is emailing b. Make assumptions about the person in a. most of us found out

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? Euclidean and ono-Euclidian

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:26:35 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful,

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Eliah Kagan
I said: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Duncan Patton a Campbell said: Provably so? Reid Nichol said: I'd love an example of Math being inconsistent. Quite frankly, I'd be surprised if this is true. Tony Abernethy's example of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Siju George
On Jan 7, 2008 12:44 PM, Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too.

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-07 Thread Unix Fan
Richard Stallman wrote: I see nothing wrong in using someone else's Windows machine for a few minutes. Great!, Now go down to your local public library.. assuming they offer free Internet access.. Do you're own fucking research! Helpful resources: http://en.wikipedia.org/

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Craig Skinner
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:10AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to know where it is. Time to back track again, eh Moron. What is the URL of that

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Tony Abernethy
oops: NON-Euclidean (still more accurate than a lot of ... on this thread) Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:26:35 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-07 Thread Johan Mson Lindman
Say, mate, where in Lagos Nigeria do I send my money? Regards Johan M:son Lindman On Monday 07 January 2008 08:57:33 you wrote: Good Morning, In an effort to help support OpenBSD and its masses I am offering myself to you as a once-live preserved Puffy the Blowfish in limited quantities. I

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-07 Thread Unix Fan
Richard Stallman wrote: But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...) Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any chance? :-) Richard Stallman wrote: The cases are similar, and my view on the two cases is similar. So answer this question,

Re: No acpi0 on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe?

2008-01-07 Thread Markus Bergkvist
Markus Bergkvist wrote: Pierre Riteau wrote: I noticed that increasing the delay in sys/dev/pci/nviic.c from 100 to 500 fixes this problem but I haven't took the time to file a bug report yet. Seems to work here too. Just increasing the delay doesn't work here any longer on a recent

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Tony Abernethy
Reid Nichol wrote: --- Duncan Patton a Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? +1 I'd love an example of

Re: Suggested PF Setup when using BitTorrent?

2008-01-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/06 17:50, Brian wrote: --- Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe those watchdog timeouts have nothing to do with bittorrent, and are probably more related to nic problems. Have you tried running your torrent client with a different network card? I have run into

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:46:49 -0500 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to check for me. Wait, you have someone else do the research,

Re: peer guardian like set up for OpenBSD..

2008-01-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/06 20:15, Jon wrote: I would like to discuss what is the best way to automatically download the lists available from http://peerguardian.sourceforge.net/lists/ and use them with PF. Can PF manage such a large set of IP. You'll have to bump the maximum number of table entries

acpitz: little diff

2008-01-07 Thread giovanni
I've have two more values that maybe should be debounced: _AC0 = 2732 _TC1 = 1 _TC2 = 5 Index: acpitz.c === RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/acpi/acpitz.c,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.21 acpitz.c --- acpitz.c6 Jan 2008

Need peer review of my pf/spamd config

2008-01-07 Thread Robert Carr
I think my pf / spamd config is correct and running well, but I'm not entirely sure and would appreciate any suggestions, corrections or optimizations. /var/log/spamd shows activity of hosts being grey-trapped, marked as (BLACK) or (GREY); spamdb shows trapped and white hosts. However, 'pfctl

Re: Regarding wasted time

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard, should we expect a contribution to the project for the time that you and your minions have taken from all of us? I have no minions, and I cannot take time from you. However, if you adopt the policy that you won't reply to my messages unless I pay you to, you will be within

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Since plants can be easily replicated, why are we buying food from farmers? I'm not against buying software from developers (as long as it is free software). See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
This has been discussed many times and it shouldn't take long for you or your minions to find out that we do not care about the source of firmware which doesn't load into OpenBSD. The people who do searches for me are helpful volunteers. I can ask them to look for something, but I

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
But what about the different case where the company permits redistribution of the binary firmware, but does not release source code. Would OpenBSD distribute the firmware in that case? Of course and going by your description it is nothing but hardware at that point No,

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
A few computer users are in a position manufacture hardware, but computer users in general do not have that capability. (Meanwhile, manufacturing does not work by copying a sample; copying as such is not doable.) A few software users are in a position to code software..

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Those quotes do not show gNewSense includes non-free software. What's interesting is that they admit they cannot find all blobs without truly reading and understanding the code, they lack people for it. They say they can't reliably find all the binary-only firmware. Nobody's perfect.

Re: Need peer review of my pf/spamd config

2008-01-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/07 01:26, Robert Carr wrote: However, 'pfctl -t spamd -T show' shows nothing in the spamd table That's normal for 4.2 (unless you use spamd's blacklist-only mode)

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to all paragraphs. People raise many issues in these messages. My idea of politeness does not say I have to respond to every question that someone

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're very badly expressing the contents of the report (which has not been made

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
http://torrent.gnome.org/ Would you be so kind as to tell me the precise URLs where you found those quotes? That is a host; I figured it would have lots of pages. Your message today hinted that maybe you meant the front page. So I looked there, and found them there.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Craig Skinner
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does distribute binary-only firmware, which isn't free. This would be a second reason why I should not endorse OpenBSD. The systems I endorse try to exclude such

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does distribute binary-only firmware, which isn't free. This would be a second reason why I should not endorse OpenBSD. The systems I endorse try to exclude such firmware. Then, sir,

Re: Need peer review of my pf/spamd config

2008-01-07 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 01:26:07AM -0800, Robert Carr wrote: /var/log/spamd shows activity of hosts being grey-trapped, marked as (BLACK) or (GREY); spamdb shows trapped and white hosts. However, 'pfctl -t spamd -T show' shows nothing in the spamd table (spamd-white is being populated),

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
In OpenBSD the recommendation for certain non-free programs is in the recipes for installing them. Oh, no URL? I could ask someone to find a specific URL, but why take the trouble? The OpenBSD developers have acknowledged that contains ports for non-free programs. There is no

Re: spamd-setup hangup/timeout settings

2008-01-07 Thread Florian Fuessl
Frank Bax wrote: My spamd-setup always takes 20-30 minutes on two servers (4.1 and 4.2). This is not normal? When I run it manually; most of the time is spent downloading traplist.gz This morning, I changed the crontab time /usr/libexec/spamd-setup -d 4.1 runtimes (minutes): 39,

avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Targus Neoprene
Hi, in my flat I can see a lot of open connection points. They do not require a password and, in principle, I can log in every time... but they seem to be protected with a mac filter, because I cannot get an IP address via dhclient I have a naive question: Is there any way to avoid that? I mean:

Re: peer guardian like set up for OpenBSD..

2008-01-07 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/1/7, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to discuss what is the best way to automatically download the lists available from http://peerguardian.sourceforge.net/lists/ and use them with PF. Forget the list. From what I gathered from the talk at 24c3

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: This has been discussed many times and it shouldn't take long for you or your minions to find out that we do not care about the source of firmware which doesn't load into OpenBSD. The people who do searches for

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Jan 7, 2008 12:31 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since plants can be easily replicated, why are we buying food from farmers? I'm not against buying software from developers (as long as it is free software). See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html. With free

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-07 Thread knitti
On 1/4/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/08, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is becoming OT, but I can't recommend storing HDDs as real backup solution either. HDDs _do_ have bitrot, and one should at least, say, once a year, verify that the *whole* disk is readable,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 11:18:17PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL injection vulnerabilities? I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message. Teaching the public about this issue is a good thing

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
Alberto Gonzalez is that you? On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 11:18:10PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Didn't you do that right from the start when you came to our lists to post the wrong conclusions you draw from your un-researched assumptions? That is not what happened. I stated

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Josh Grosse
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:39:01 +0100, Targus Neoprene wrote Hi, in my flat I can see a lot of open connection points. They do not require a password and, in principle, I can log in every time... but they seem to be protected with a mac filter, because I cannot get an IP address via dhclient

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Siju George
On Jan 7, 2008 5:01 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does distribute binary-only firmware, which isn't free. This would be a second reason why I should not endorse OpenBSD. The systems I endorse try to exclude such firmware.

Re: Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:28:40AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:38:24PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:48:53PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On 1/5/08, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything that, bug-wise, could

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-07 Thread Siju George
On Jan 7, 2008 9:48 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in borrowing one from someone to make a call. So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you how to use it and make life easy

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-07 Thread openbsd puffy
I can assure you this is not some email scam from africa, This is a completely legitimate offer, and will be funded and shipped from the US. Though I am currently travelling in Asia. IF you dont want one you dont have to order one. plain and simple. On Jan 7, 2008 5:51 PM, Johan Mson Lindman

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: | But what about the different case where the company permits | redistribution of the binary firmware, but does not release source | code. Would OpenBSD distribute the firmware in that case? | | Of course and

Re: Suggested PF Setup when using BitTorrent?

2008-01-07 Thread Brian
--- Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008/01/06 17:50, Brian wrote: --- Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe those watchdog timeouts have nothing to do with bittorrent, and are probably more related to nic problems. Have you tried running your torrent

Re: No acpi0 on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe?

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
apm overrides acpi. If you want to run acpi disable apm at boot time. b bsd -c disable apm quit On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 09:13:27AM +0100, Markus Bergkvist wrote: Markus Bergkvist wrote: Pierre Riteau wrote: I noticed that increasing the delay in sys/dev/pci/nviic.c from 100 to 500 fixes

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread knitti
On 1/7/08, Targus Neoprene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a way to surpass the mac filter and get an ip? most likely yes and yes. man ifconfig --knitti

Re: No acpi0 on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe?

2008-01-07 Thread Markus Bergkvist
Thanks for the pointer! I totally missed those lines. I was only seeing the iic1: addr 0x48 ... and iic1: addr 0x49 ... lines. Last time we spoke those lines disappeared when asbtm0 and wbenv0 appeared. Also, I get different output on those iic1 if asbtm0 and/or wbenv0 is found or not.

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:24AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to all paragraphs. People raise many issues in these messages. My idea of

Re: acpitz: little diff

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
Nope, I added it in there exactly that way. I got the idea from FreeBSD :-) Thanks for the diff though. Keep them coming. On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 11:52:24AM +0100, giovanni wrote: I've have two more values that maybe should be debounced: _AC0 = 2732 _TC1 = 1 _TC2 = 5 Index: acpitz.c

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jan 7, 2008 9:00 AM, Josh Grosse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:39:01 +0100, Targus Neoprene wrote Hi, in my flat I can see a lot of open connection points. They do not require a password and, in principle, I can log in every time... but they seem to be protected

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Andrés
On Jan 7, 2008 8:31 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have not presented any evidence that there are non-free programs in gNewSense. gNewsSense bugs 31, 100, 103, 108: 31: license problems - cdrecord (no open date) http://bugs.gnewsense.org/Bugs/00031 100: Helix Player

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 05:55:52AM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:44:48 + Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:35PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol [EMAIL

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
loosen up a bit, you're too tight up... I just want to check my emails, I don't want to download p0nr movies 2008/1/7, Josh Grosse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:39:01 +0100, Targus Neoprene wrote Hi, in my flat I can see a lot of open connection points. They do not require a

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:52AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Those quotes do not show gNewSense includes non-free software. What's interesting is that they admit they cannot find all blobs without truly reading and understanding the code, they lack people for it. They say

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Lars Hansson
On Jan 7, 2008 9:19 PM, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh come on now THRUSH! You really are an irritating cunt. Can't you read? The use of a search engine even by an imbecilic moron, such as yourself, would have shown this page: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Marco Peereboom wrote: Alberto Gonzalez is that you? at least in this case the excuse is somewhat valid, as richard is certainly old enough for the claim of i cannot recall to hold water. perhaps he should see a doctor about this? in the case that richard is not in the initial stages

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Dusty
equating firmwares with blobs is an RMS-thing, it enables him to destroy the good by comparing it to the perfect Firmware runs on the hardware, not in the kernel. On Jan 7, 2008 1:31 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been discussed many times and it shouldn't take

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
dropped misc by accident On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: But what about the different case where the company permits redistribution of the binary firmware, but does not release source code. Would OpenBSD distribute the firmware in that case?

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
I mean that I'd also be interested to see any more elaborated answer than a sermon on ethics... and after all, at my place of work they also use the same system (!), so that it'd be interesting to know how they can crack it... and avoid it 2008/1/7, Pau Amaro-Seoane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: loosen up

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Gary Baluha
2) using more free software is better than not running it at all 3) incentivating usage of non-free software on free software operating systems doesn't incentivate the creation of free software replacements this is a word play. I know people who used OpenBSD for a while

Re: acpitz: little diff

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 03:31:37PM +0100, giovanni wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:43:56AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Nope, I added it in there exactly that way. I got the idea from FreeBSD Sorry, but in your diff TC1 and TC2 are not debounced. right? so why am I wrong? They are not

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Gary Baluha
There are also quite a few free programs that run only on Windows. (Being able to redistribute a program and its source and modify and redistribute the source doesn't somehow cause it to be instantly ported to other platforms by the grace of God.) These programs can be run on other

Re: No acpi0 on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe?

2008-01-07 Thread Pierre Riteau
On Jan 7, 2008 2:30 PM, Markus Bergkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the pointer! I totally missed those lines. I was only seeing the iic1: addr 0x48 ... and iic1: addr 0x49 ... lines. Last time we spoke those lines disappeared when asbtm0 and wbenv0 appeared. Also, I get

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Jan Stary
No, Richard. No. This is really getting tired. Their report was that OpenBSD contains ports for non-free programs, and that is what I tried to say in the interview. No, you didnt't. I made a mistake in the way I said it: I used words which were subject to misunderstanding. No, you used

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Unix Fan
Richard Stallman wrote: Gilles' message seems to say that OpenBSD policy is to allow binary-only firmware. Is that correct? Binary firmware that's legally redistributable is distributed in OpenBSD, Yes. But you need to wrap your head around what that means for OpenBSD. Modern

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On 1/7/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah doing your best really counts. Kind of a Dr. that did his best but killed the patient. HE TRIED!! The consequences of a doctor making a mistake while trying to save a patient's life are more severe than those of a gNewSense developer

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Oscar Knight
Richard Stallman wrote: My supplying the URL or name of a non-free program's port in OpenBSD would do no good, because the developers are happy to have such ports and would not remove it. I am not going to spend the time, or ask someone else to do so, just for an idle request. If the OpenBSD

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-07 Thread Johan Mson Lindman
On Monday 07 January 2008 14:42:41 openbsd puffy wrote: I can assure you this is not some email scam from africa, This is a completely legitimate offer, and will be funded and shipped from the US. Though I am currently travelling in Asia. IF you dont want one you dont have to order one. plain

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-07 Thread STeve Andre'
What is your name? What is the company that proposes to do this, and where is it located, whats the web site for it, etc? You aren't exactly instilling confidence in people right now... --STeve Andre' On Monday 07 January 2008 08:42:41 openbsd puffy wrote: I can assure you this is not some

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-07 Thread Sunnz
Has anybody thought of this... the ports system is a facility that one can 'borrow' and use on a OpenBSD system that _is_ used for their own 'convenience'!!! You can just improve it and give back your changes, and most of the stuff you'll ever do with it has much to deal with free software anyway

How to find all package files

2008-01-07 Thread Russell Gadd
I am new to OpenBSD and I am not sure what is the correct way to find packages. For example I have tried to install the xfce window manager, and at first I looked at the list of files in the packages list and there were a lot of files with xfce in the name / description. I looked for one

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
As long as this thread has been running, the only plausible reasons I can think of for you not to repeat your claimed accurate conclusion is either that you do not remember what this claimed accurate conclusion was or that this claimed accurate conclusion wold now be yet another

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers should not need to argue with me that I owe them an endorsement.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On 1/7/08, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does distribute binary-only firmware, which isn't free. This would be a second reason why I should not endorse

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Isn't this attitude more than a bit short-sighted? I certainly understand the benefits of reserving one's resources for dealing with issues that can happen, but many of the technology-related problems we have today are arguably due (at least in large part) to people ignoring

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
But, when people use the word free, even within a particular context, anyone would be able to understand what that person was talking about within an acceptable level of error. I don't think so -- that is too much to ask. In any area, the meaning of freedom involves filling in

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Dave Anderson
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: loosen up a bit, you're too tight up... I just want to check my emails, I don't want to download p0nr movies Theft of service is theft, regardless of how much or little service you're stealing. If someone's gone to the trouble of filtering on MAC

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:24AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to all paragraphs. People raise many issues in these messages. My idea of

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Sunnz
7 Jan 2008 07:58:04 -0800, Unix Fan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: These firmwares are just the same as Microcode in modern processors, It's NOT tainting the kernel at all... unlike binary blob drivers that are very common in the Just wondering... what could be the worse thing that could happen

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 01:22:53PM +0100, knitti wrote: Backup (and/or archiving) is not fire-and-forget. You have to know how long you want to store this data to choose the right technology and media. And you have to have a process to verify that your data is good after this time. If you want

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too. However, when a person tells me his OS is free, I have not always checked.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Dusty
On Jan 7, 2008 7:16 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too. However, when a

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
So... 'ethically' the TiVo ma as well be a circuit, since users don't usually install software on it? Users did install software on it, and that's why Tivo tivoized it.

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Should you do more then say that, maybe put a webpage encouraging open hardware development? I mean to write an article about the issue of free hardware designs some day when I have some time.

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
You have done a pretty good job of summarizing my position. The sex education analogy is quite clear and valid. (I'm in favor of teaching people how to use contraception, because I'm in favor of encouraging sex.) Thank you for helping to explain. In this discussion I have stuck to correcting

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-07 Thread Alexander Hall
xlTargus Neoprene wrote: Hi, in my flat I can see a lot of open connection points. They do not require a password and, in principle, I can log in every time... but they seem to be protected with a mac filter, because I cannot get an IP address via dhclient I have a naive question: Is there any

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say recommend in this context what you actually mean appears (based on the discussion here) to be something that most people would express as not deliberately erect barriers against. The evidence of this discussion shows that's

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...) Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any chance? :-) Cell phone systems keep track of the location of the phone, and they can record the information permanently. They can do this even

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