Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-18 Thread knitti
On 2/18/08, System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to secure a few distinct directories on this server, and to simplify config file maintenance decided to put the common directives into a file to be 'Include'd - reproduced further below. Here is an example of such an 'Include' in

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread System Administrator
On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own code well enough to have completed it. BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep

Re: Nfsen and php problems...?

2008-02-18 Thread Tasmanian Devil
Hello! lookup.php at least gives a yellow page and also allows me to see it's source, unlike the others: ? /* This file was automatically created by the NfSen install.pl script */ This and especially the empty pages sound like you've short_open_tag = Off in your /var/www/conf/php.ini. From

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
What shit are you talking about? On Feb 18, 2008 2:01 PM, System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Gregory Edigarov
Come on guys, calm down, just stay what you are currently. Just do your job. Make OpenBSD the best router/firewall/server OS ever, you have the right features for that now, and I hope you will extend it in the nearest future. And do not listen to those trolls. Thank you all for what you do

Couple of MacBook Questions

2008-02-18 Thread patrick keshishian
Greetings, I'm considering replacing my iBook G4 with possibly a MacBook and I was hoping I'd find a couple of MacBook users that run OpenBSD regularly on their MacBooks who could answer the following for me. First question I have is regarding swapping the caps-lock and control keys (in

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread John Nietzsche
Hey folks, i have been writing software about 6 year since i finnished my university course. OpenBSD has always been impressive to my eyes. Since correctness/security is conditio sine qua non, i disagree as a group of developer has it as goal. Goal should be performance, portability usability.

suid option + perl

2008-02-18 Thread Beavis
Hello, Is there an suid option enabled on the perl built-into openbsd? I'm trying to setup qmail under openbsd 4.2 and would like to view that suid option for perl thanks, b

Why not update Groff?

2008-02-18 Thread Pieter Verberne
Hi folks, Why is Groff not updated? OpenBSD 4.2 has Groff 1.15 from 1999. Some compatability issues? Pieter (offlist)

HP Network cards

2008-02-18 Thread Joe Warren-Meeks
Hey guys, Is either HP ProLiant NC364T[0] or the NC360T (one quad gigabit ethernet, the second dual gigabit ethernet) supported under openbsd? I checked http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html#hardware which would indicate not, but I just wanted to double check here. If not, can anyone point me at a

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marco Peereboom
Not lies; we have a 5000 emails thread to prove that. On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 07:35:55AM +0059, Han Boetes wrote: Lies chefren wrote: ... Richard Stallman stopped [coding] doing so long time ago... B) Richard Stallman puts users first, =like you!=, Richard Stallman =believes= users

Re: Why not update Groff?

2008-02-18 Thread Andreas Kahari
No need for any new features? Regards, Andreas On 18/02/2008, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Why is Groff not updated? OpenBSD 4.2 has Groff 1.15 from 1999. Some compatability issues? Pieter (offlist) -- Andreas Kahari Somewhere in the general Cambridge area, UK

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Also, we don't get to use his code for FREE, I suppose most of the users *buy* CD sets. If only they did. A miniscule percentage of the user community buys CD's, and the sales are dropping. The vast majority of users

Re: HP Network cards

2008-02-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/02/18 13:40, Joe Warren-Meeks wrote: Is either HP ProLiant NC364T[0] or the NC360T (one quad gigabit ethernet, the second dual gigabit ethernet) supported under openbsd? Looks like they are Intel 82571EB, should be ok.

Re: Nfsen and php problems...?

2008-02-18 Thread Richard Daemon
On Feb 18, 2008 3:48 AM, Tasmanian Devil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! lookup.php at least gives a yellow page and also allows me to see it's source, unlike the others: ? /* This file was automatically created by the NfSen install.pl script */ This and especially the empty pages

Re: ifstated and ping

2008-02-18 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Aaron escreveu: I am trying to configure ifstated on an i386 4.2 Stable pair of openbsd firewalls but having some issues on how to determine connectivity of a backup/secondary wan interface. The carp states seem solid and preempt seems to work great. The only thing I'm really worried about

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Jussi Peltola
If there were no downloads, there would be less users who donate. I'd dare to claim some people have just downloaded and donated instead of buying the CD - in my case it makes sense since I can afford very little and the production of CDs would eat some of that little. I miss the stickers, though.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Gordon Grieder
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: I for one buy CDs every year, year after year. Best, ~Mayuresh The CD sets you buy must be different than the ones I buy; mine don't come with a ballot for voting on features. Please proxy vote for me and check [ ]

greyscanner syntax error

2008-02-18 Thread Jeff Santos
Hi, I am trying to use the greyscanner within my anti-spam firewall. I installed some of the mentioned packages: # pkg_info gettext-0.14.6p0GNU gettext libiconv-1.9.2p3character set conversion library logsentry-1.1.1p2 logfile auditing tool lsof-4.77p0 list information about

Re: Why not update Groff?

2008-02-18 Thread Juha Erkkila
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 02:35:01PM +0100, Pieter Verberne wrote: Why is Groff not updated? OpenBSD 4.2 has Groff 1.15 from 1999. Some compatability issues? I've been thinking this too, and went ahead and tried doing it... It's a bit of a pain actually, some problems: the directory layout has

From Adamati James

2008-02-18 Thread James Adamati
Hi, How are you doing today? My name is James Adamati I live in London and work in a financial institution here in United Kingdom. There is a potential transaction relating to a dormant account of one of our deceased customers, which I would like us to handle the fund actualization together.

Re: greyscanner syntax error

2008-02-18 Thread Jeff Santos
Hi, I did forget to mention I am running 4.2 STABLE on a i386 machine. Regards, Jeff. OpenBSD 4.2-stable (GENERIC) #0: Wed Dec 12 16:32:58 BRT 2007 OpenBSD.i386 -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com!

trunk(4) and Nortel ERS

2008-02-18 Thread Marcin Głuc
Hello Misc, Anybody successed with configuration of Nortel ERS 55xx, MLT/LACP and OpenBSD trunk iface? I am geting duplicate icmp messages from OpenBSD machine. 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.070 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.175 ms (DUP!) -- Fen

Re: greyscanner syntax error

2008-02-18 Thread Alexander Hall
Jeff Santos wrote: Hi, I am trying to use the greyscanner within my anti-spam firewall. # ./greyscanner.41 syntax error at ./greyscanner.41 line 199, near local_r ules syntax error at ./greyscanner.41 line 376, near } Execution of ./greyscanner.41 aborted due to compilation errors. Am I

Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-18 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:50:34PM +1300, Richard Toohey wrote: After spending the weekend testing this every which way and searching the net and archives to no avail, [..] [..] From the manual ... ^^ [..] So it would suggest that you CANNOT use Include within Directory?

Re: From Adamati James

2008-02-18 Thread James
Great, submit a diff and we'll get on it. On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 18:58 +0800, James Adamati wrote: Hi, How are you doing today? My name is James Adamati I live in London and work in a financial institution here in United Kingdom. There is a potential transaction relating to a dormant

apache/proxy - monitoring access to reverse proxy

2008-02-18 Thread Frank Bax
I'm wondering if an OpenBSD box with apache can solve this problem... A website requires authentication to access and the are a limited number of accounts setup (within web application, not .htaccess) on that website; so accounts are shared. Of course, this situation causes problems when two

Re: HP Network cards

2008-02-18 Thread scott
Usually they are intel; however, HP's distro blesses them with a PXE boot option typically enabled by default. In the past, this option seems to sometimes interfere with BSD's boot. Recommend hard disabling the network/pxe option it first. -Original Message- From: Stuart Henderson

-current, softraid on root?

2008-02-18 Thread bofh
Just wanted to see if this is possible? I realize I'll have to install twice in order to get to bioctl, but was curious to see if anyone tried it. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's

OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Geoff Steckel
This is my last posting on this, take heart. The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming that parallelism is useful. If the purported advantage is access to

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Re: apache/proxy - monitoring access to reverse proxy

2008-02-18 Thread Rosen Iliev
Hi Frank, That has nothing to do with the Apache or OpenBSD at all. All the authentications are done at your web app. So, the question should be: Can my web app do that? Regards, Rosen Frank Bax wrote: I'm wondering if an OpenBSD box with apache can solve this problem... A website requires

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread David Higgs
On Feb 18, 2008 1:26 PM, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread openbsd misc
-Urspr|ngliche Nachricht- Von: David Higgs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Februar 2008 16:54 An: openbsd misc Cc: OpenBSD-Misc Betreff: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? On Feb 17, 2008 7:36 AM, openbsd misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Urspr|ngliche

Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-18 Thread Stefan Kell
Hello, On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:50:34PM +1300, Richard Toohey wrote: After spending the weekend testing this every which way and searching the net and archives to no avail, [..] [..] From the manual ... ^^ [..] So it would

OpenBGP - Saving Restoring routes, possible?

2008-02-18 Thread Eduardo Meyer
Hello, I have setup OpenBGP doing full routing with 3 other peers, so I get around 240k routes from each peer. But if by some reason I have to restar bgpd, it takes up to 5 minutes so I can all routes updated again. Is there a way to save and later restore the RIB/FIB tables? Since the only

Re: OpenBGP - Saving Restoring routes, possible?

2008-02-18 Thread NetOne - Doichin Dokov
Eduardo Meyer P=P0P?P8QP0: Hello, I have setup OpenBGP doing full routing with 3 other peers, so I get around 240k routes from each peer. But if by some reason I have to restar bgpd, it takes up to 5 minutes so I can all routes updated again. Is there a way to save and later restore the

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Balmer
Geoff Steckel wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming that parallelism is useful. If the purported

Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-18 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:08:36PM +0100, Stefan Kell wrote: Bullshit, Bullshit? Check out, please, who wrote the quoted words... ;] not much to search: today's mails only (tip: What is our ultimate goal?? thread) -- pozdrawiam / regards

route-to alternative

2008-02-18 Thread Chris Smith
I'm currently using route-to in pf.conf to control the routing of different internal subnets through different external gateways. It does work, but I remember a comment in the past where route-to was called evil. Is route-to evil (and why)? And if so is there another, better to do routing

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:26:41PM -0500, Geoff Steckel wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming

Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-18 Thread Stefan Kell
Hello, On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, System Administrator wrote: After spending the weekend testing this every which way and searching the net and archives to no avail, I need a few more eyes to help determine whether this is a bug, a feature, or some minor stupidity on my part... First the

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 2/18/08, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. Please enlighten me if there are any -other- http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Contentpa=list_pages_issuesissue_id=26 See especially Software and the Concurrency Revolution. An articulate and

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Daniel Hagerty
Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming that parallelism is useful. Remind us how asynchronous signaling

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Matthew Weigel
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I suppose if I had a 16-core quad-socket Opteron board and needed to make the box into one giant firewall with 10 Gbit NICs, I'd be disappointed that the kernel only ran on one of the cores. OpenBSD is only used for firewalls? -- Matthew Weigel hacker [EMAIL

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-18 Thread Chris Rapier
Hi, since I'm the one that started all of this I thought I would take a moment to say a couple of words. As Ben said - we aren't wedded to the idea of threads. They were a useful path to take in order to prove the usefulness of some sort of parallelization in OpenSSH. I think we've proved its

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Geoff Steckel
David Higgs wrote: I'm not an advocate of threads, simply playing devil's advocate because you patently refuse to believe this is anything but a mutually exclusive proposition. Is it not possible to decompose a complex program into a well-secured multi-process program, where one process

Re: OpenBGP - Saving Restoring routes, possible?

2008-02-18 Thread Eduardo Meyer
On Feb 18, 2008 5:39 PM, NetOne - Doichin Dokov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eduardo Meyer NAPISA: Hello, I have setup OpenBGP doing full routing with 3 other peers, so I get around 240k routes from each peer. But if by some reason I have to restar bgpd, it takes up to 5 minutes so I can

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread ropers
On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are talking about nebulous features that are over hyped and under proven. One needs a problem first before fixing it. You are putting it the wrong way around by saying hey I'd like a super duper faster tcp/ip stack

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Geoff Steckel
Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 2/18/08, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. Please enlighten me if there are any -other- http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Contentpa=list_pages_issuesissue_id=26 See especially Software and the Concurrency

OpenBGP - Balancing between peers

2008-02-18 Thread Eduardo Meyer
I have another doubt. My peers have different bw connected to me, one peer is 20Mb/s and the other is 30Mb/s. I know I may be failing on some BGP concepts here, but this is my very first time implementing full routing with 2 peers. So, please be patient ;) How should I balance, proportionally,

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 02:31:13PM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 01:07:06PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: By this, I mean, developers *are* working on improving the features currently offered by OpenBSD. In general people work on things which they will find the

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:42:38AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: You're an idiot. [..] Think about it. Idiots don't think. If you didn't knew it - you're even bigger idiot, than I am. Thanks for conversation. -- pozdrawiam / regards

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:12:09AM -0500, David Higgs wrote: Does the -B option to pkg_add do exactly this? Or YOU could do the equivalent and tell ./configure to install to a different base directory. This doesn't need any funding either. Nope, -B is mostly for chroot and flashdist-like

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 03:10:12PM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: I noticed, that default path, where software from binary pkg and ports gets unpacked, is /usr/local hierarchy - unfortunately, it's also the traditional default of every individual source *.tar.gz package - such way

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Nick Holland
Geoff Steckel wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. For someone who has indicated a distrust of threads (which I am in agreement with), you have sure started a lot of them on this same blooming topic (five, by my count). If you were trying to prove a point by doing so, let's call

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 02:50:15PM -0600, Matthew Weigel wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I suppose if I had a 16-core quad-socket Opteron board and needed to make the box into one giant firewall with 10 Gbit NICs, I'd be disappointed that the kernel only ran on one of the cores. OpenBSD is

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:22:42PM -0500, Chris Rapier wrote: As Ben said - we aren't wedded to the idea of threads. They were a useful path to take in order to prove the usefulness of some sort of parallelization in OpenSSH. I think we've proved its usefulness (and believe it or not, a lot

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-18 Thread chefren
On 2/19/08 2:04 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I wonder where the perceived bottleneck is. I mean, you have two boxes connected by ethernet (whatever speed), and you're running a sftp bulk file transfer. What is the limiting factor? Are the boxes less than 20% idle? Is the nework saturated or

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... why don't you and rest of the team, led by Theo take a concious decision to stop downloads? OpenBSD is introduced (e.g., on the main web page) by three, adjectives. It might be worthwhile to grasp the first of those before

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16:08AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, Yes, you did. The code is free. The CDs are not.

Re: -current, softraid on root?

2008-02-18 Thread Marco Peereboom
Not just yet! You can boot of something non-softraid and do the rest on softraid. This will be a feature I will work on once I have the initial 3 disciplines ready and we can handle foreign metadata. Then I'll work on booting/rooting a softraid. My todo list is still on my website if you'd like

Riga PF tutorial

2008-02-18 Thread ropers
Will anybody already be in Riga later today (Tuesday)? I will arrive myself this afternoon. Would anybody like to meet up? Cheers, --ropers

Re: OpenBGP - Balancing between peers

2008-02-18 Thread Eduardo Meyer
On Feb 18, 2008 8:47 PM, Dustin Lundquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To balance your inbound you can prepend your AS number to your advertisements to depreference them. Some larger ISPs do this on a per prefix basis, but since a sizable portion of ISPs are running Cisco gear with a 256K prefix

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
Mayuresh Kathe On Feb 17, 2008 5:50 PM, Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayuresh Kathe wrote: OpenBSD is an OS with amazing security and stability, but it has too few modern features. H related? thats exactly my point, our mindset has become that security

Re: OpenBSD 4.1 Stable Strange Problem

2008-02-18 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:29:25AM +0800, Wong Peter wrote: Hello all respect network administrator, i have set up a openbsd gateway but the wireless connection(gateway) is not detected by client but before this is ok. Can see it widnows but now cannot. I don't know what wrong with it. I

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
I understand English sentences. What is this English-based sentences you speak of? My logic may be flawed, but it seems it surpasses you abilty to elucidate the exact nature of the presumed flaw. I've got a life. What have you got. In fact beating up on dead goats might make an entertaining

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
Dead billy goat or dead nanny goat? which are you? -Original Message- From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? Are you as weird as your writing suggests. Do you get

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
I think therefore I am. I think you are a billy goat, therefore you are. -Original Message- From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? There you go again, disconnected

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
Are you a silly billy goat or an asininny goat. Ayou a live or a dead dead goat? You own thought processes seem to be at about that plateau. You make wild statements with not even a plausible connection to prior discourse. Try tinking in English sentences, not whatever English-like sentences you

Re: OpenBGP - Balancing between peers

2008-02-18 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Eduardo Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, I have a certain traffic outgoing to AS 4230, it was going via AS17379, and with localpref I could make it go via 18881. However, I need to balance it in the adequated ratio, say, make 40% of outgoing traffic to 4230 go via 1881 while 60%

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
You claim you don't have enough vision or intelligence to understand me. and you offer (to the list included) no explanation. I may lack the vision and intelli9gence, but why do you insist that the rest of the list also lacks vision and intelligence? This thread is already polluted far beyond my

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
I may be an oaf, but it is with FULL REALIZATION THAT I AM SENDING THIS TO THE LIST MY PURPOSE IN DOING SO IS TO PAINT YOU WITH SOMEHTING RESEMBLING YOUR TRUE COLORS. BTW, what is the color of a dead goat? -Original Message- From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: