2012/6/21 Miod Vallat m...@online.fr:
There's always the possibility to split OpenBSD, `outsourcing' the
platforms which do not matter except to crazy nutcases to `RusticBSD'.
Oh, perhaps resurrect amiga-m68k on RusticBSD then. =)
--
To our sweethearts and wives. May they never meet. -- 19th
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:55:18AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
Yes, it's a very tough book.
I have had a similar experience.
Wel, reading an answers book does not really help. Arriving at the
answers yourself (wich requires effort indeed) is much better.
Agreed, the answer book is cheating
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
This is interesting KR requires some knowledge about general programming
concepts, I couldn't agree more considering how I struggled with KR.
Yes, that's true with me as well.
I couldn't grok KR no matter how hard I
On 22 June 2012 00:05, Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.us wrote:
Yes, it's a very tough book.
I have had a similar experience.
I did get a copy of the answers book from an interlibrary loan.
There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it
just some random
Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:
Dammit. The plan was for wd(4) to die before disks got that big. Sigh.
ok, let's see if I got this right...
that's not a 2TB disk issue, that's a 4k issue,
Right.
so this could potentially bite people with smaller disks that
were also 4k
#echo servers pool.ntp.org /etc/ntpd.conf
# ntpd
this command never change local system time
#ntpd -s
change local system time but I have very strange problem in php
#echo echo '?php `ntpd -s` ?'|php-5.3
above command never exit.
#cat /etc/ifstated.conf
net1 = 'ping -q -c1 -w1 172.16.200.11 /dev/null every 3'
net2 = 'ping -q -c1 -w1 172.16.200.1 /dev/null every 3'
init-state one
state one {
init {
run route delete default
run route add default 172.16.200.11
}
if ! $net1 {
if $net2
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 05:22:08PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:09:47PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
Tedu's suggestion is the best one in my IMHO, implement a webserver.
I would try to do the following:
- Read KR
- Join ##c on freenode, they can help
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20:09AM -0700, Matthew Dempsky wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Amit Kulkarni amitk...@gmail.com wrote:
yes it is, and i am surprised it is ~ $50. it is such a small book.
FWIW, you can read the C specification drafts online for free:
C89:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 07:30:59PM +, Miod Vallat wrote:
I do hope they succeed on that matter at least. If they can't even
get amd64/i386/arm working with LLVM, then it's a rough road ahead for
us when we also have to worry about sparc, sh, mips, hppa, vax, and
m88k too.
There's
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Bahador NazariFard
bahador.nazarif...@gmail.com wrote:
#echo servers pool.ntp.org /etc/ntpd.conf
# ntpd
this command never change local system time
It's not command. It's daemon so it starts server. Try with 'ntpd -D'
to see if it's getting your setup from
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Bahador NazariFard
bahador.nazarif...@gmail.com wrote:
#echo servers pool.ntp.org /etc/ntpd.conf
# ntpd
this command never change local system time
It's not command. It's daemon
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:20:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
Actually, before a webserver, I'd recommend learning how to write a shell
as it will have you deal with lots of concepts you would not see
otherwise ... then network programming :-p
Just because you suffered thru a fucked-up
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:42:18PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Bahador NazariFard
bahador.nazarif...@gmail.com wrote:
#echo servers pool.ntp.org ?? /etc/ntpd.conf
# ntpd
this
On 22 Jun 2012, at 12:57 PM, Gilles Chehade gil...@poolp.org wrote:
Your opinion is pointless, you actually *like* perl ;-)
I've heard rumours that there are members of the team who are left handed
use the dvorak layout *tut*
:)
Sevan
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:57:10PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:20:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
Actually, before a webserver, I'd recommend learning how to write a shell
as it will have you deal with lots of concepts you would not see
otherwise ... then
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 02:33:13PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:57:10PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:20:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
Actually, before a webserver, I'd recommend learning how to write a
shell
as it will have you
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 01:57 PM, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:20:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
Actually, before a webserver, I'd recommend learning how to write a shell
as it will have you deal with lots of concepts you would not see
otherwise ... then network
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:57:21AM -0400, Eric Furman wrote:
[...]
You... like... perl.
Which explains why you'd think writing a kernel is simpler than a shell,
and why writing a shell is more complex than network programming :-)
So what is wrong with perl??
It is nearly a
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 02:55:02PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote:
That's an implementation detail :-p
Someone who really wants to understand things will look at the man
pages and try to understand, someone who doesn't give a damn about
getting things done right will produce crap with or
On 2012-06-21 22:00, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote:
On 2012-06-21 17:22, Simon Perreault wrote:
On 2012-06-21 15:50, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote:
I have read a great deal regarding IPv6 and IIRC, if I subnet my
network block, my ISP would have to know it has to route traffic to that
subnet
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:57:21AM -0400, Eric Furman wrote:
So what is wrong with perl??
It is nearly a standard in the UNIX Admin world.
Nothing is wrong with perl :)
Well, perl is a post-modern baroque language.
Which means that it is possible to write code the way you want to write it.
On 22 June 2012 22:55, Gilles Chehade gil...@poolp.org wrote:
Someone who really wants to understand things will look at the man
pages and try to understand, someone who doesn't give a damn about
getting things done right will produce crap with or without proper
courses ...
hear = forget
see
On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
A shell is one of the most complicated pieces of C code to get right,
between the fucked-up parser, the lazy evaluation, the arcane shit you
have to do to various file descriptors, and the signal handling.
Among other things.
That's
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:00:17 -0500, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net
wrote:
You cold read the RFC 5375 for example, or a few more like 4291, 3587,
and other like it.
Interesting. RFC 6547 moves Use of /127 Prefix Length Between Routers
Considered Harmful (RFC 3627) to Historic status
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Hash: SHA1
On 2012/06/22 3:14 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
Oh, yeah, and the hipsters types swear by ruby, which is just
tweaked perl.
Love that line!
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP5HKfAAoJENzqTnPMiNZl/6MH/014Ia96FQbvZOsfcRadck0P
On 6/21/12 7:52 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:39:24 -0500, Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com
wrote:
It is not a school of thought - it is how it is. I have seen one /126
out in the wild but it is very lonely.
I work at an ISP/datacenter. We use /126s for the link net.
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Marc Espie wrote:
SNIP
A shell is one of the most complicated pieces of C code to get right,
between the fucked-up parser, the lazy evaluation, the arcane shit you
have to do to various file descriptors, and the signal handling.
Among other things.
Heck, write your own
morons
if you can't write forth code you should stay home.
diana
Past hissy-fits are not a predictor of future hissy-fits.
Nick Holland(06 Dec 2005)
misc -
I used a brand new ASUS motherboard I referred to in the subject with the AMD
Fusion APU and associated chipset(s) with OpenBSD 5.1 i386. This ran well for
a few days but ultimately dropped to ddb repeatedly when i copied several
gigabyte of files from one SATA disk to a softraid mirror
On 2012-06-22 09:13, Mark Felder wrote:
All someone out on the 'net needs to do
is scan up through
your address space on the link as quickly as possible, sending single
packets at
all the non-existent addresses on the link, and watch as your router
CPU starts
to churn keeping track of all the
Who is J.R. Steven?
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:35:06AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote:
morons
if you can't write forth code you should stay home.
diana
WORD
--
http://code.phxbsd.com/
On 06/22/2012 06:35 AM, Diana Eichert wrote:
morons
if you can't write forth code you should stay home.
diana
I Love me my hand crafted postscripts...
Does that count?
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:38:04 -0500, Simon Perreault
simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca wrote:
This is ridiculous. You should be allocating all your PtP links out of a
single prefix protected by an ACL at your border. All packets to the PtP
prefix need to be dropped. You should be doing this no
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Mic J wrote:
Who is J.R. Steven?
I think Marc intended to mention W. Richard Stevens.
See http://www.kohala.com
-Otto
On 21/06/12(Thu) 19:27, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
Hi,
Since deraadt mentioned the names of people who left to bitrig and I'm
wondering what will happen to the macppc port? Is it going to go the
route of the mac68k port too? I saw some commits earlier on it so that
got my hopes up...
And
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:07:43AM -0700, russell wrote:
On 06/22/2012 06:35 AM, Diana Eichert wrote:
morons
if you can't write forth code you should stay home.
diana
I Love me my hand crafted postscripts...
Does that count?
Not really, PostScript is a mix between forth and lisp.
On 06/21/2012 01:27 PM, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
Hi,
Since deraadt mentioned the names of people who left to bitrig and I'm
wondering what will happen to the macppc port? Is it going to go the
route of the mac68k port too? I saw some commits earlier on it so that
got my hopes up...
I have a
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Mic J michael.cogn...@gmail.com wrote:
Who is J.R. Steven?
Wasn't J.R.R. Stevens the one who wrote about trolls on the Internet
Superhighway?
--
http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
This officer's men seem to follow
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Mic J wrote:
Who is J.R. Steven?
I think Marc intended to mention W. Richard Stevens.
See http://www.kohala.com
-Otto
That what i thought, no JR stevens came up in my
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:22:57PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Mic J wrote:
Who is J.R. Steven?
I think Marc intended to mention W. Richard Stevens.
See http://www.kohala.com
yep, of course. Deeply sorry to have mangled his name.
W. Richard
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:37:09AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
Plus...we have very little evidence anyone was actually USING mac68k.
NONE of this applies to macppc. The ONLY thing in common between
mac68k and macppc in the OpenBSD project is the first three letters,
and no one is confusing
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 05:02:22PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
W. Richard Stevens was THE best unix books author *ever*, bar none.
He's on a par with such CS giants as Don Knuth, writing-wise.
Advanced Unix programming is *the* best book to understand how
to write Unix code, PERIOD.
That
I used a brand new ASUS motherboard I referred to in the subject with the AMD
Fusion APU and associated chipset(s) with OpenBSD 5.1 i386. This ran well for
a few days but ultimately dropped to ddb repeatedly when i copied several
gigabyte of files from one SATA disk to a softraid mirror of two
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:41:07PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:07, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
These days I'm buying a few books related to programming and OSs. I
don't want convert this mailing list on an books recomendation website,
so let me take
Hello,
On Fri (22/06/12), Justin Haynes wrote:
I used a brand new ASUS motherboard I referred to in the subject with the AMD
Fusion APU and associated chipset(s) with OpenBSD 5.1 i386. This ran well for
a few days but ultimately dropped to ddb repeatedly when i copied several
gigabyte of
Hi,
I'm looking for a small system that I can run ftp, web, personal mail and
maybe a build enviroment. I say small system only due to space requirements.
A normal desktop computer or small would work well. This is one that I was
looking at but not sure if it would be i386 since it is an
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 05:47:05PM +0200, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:41:07PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:07, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
These days I'm buying a few books related to programming and OSs. I
don't want
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote:
So what is wrong with perl??
It is nearly a standard in the UNIX Admin world.
It's a terrible language, and you should feel terrible for using it.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Opie f3n1x2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for a small system that I can run ftp, web, personal mail
and
maybe a build enviroment. I say small system only due to space
requirements.
A normal desktop computer or small would work well. This is one that
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:14:04PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 05:47:05PM +0200, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:41:07PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:07, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
These days I'm
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:52, Ryan McBride wrote:
550Mb/s with aes-128-gcm (requires AES-NI and amd64) on
hw.model=Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5649 @ 2.53GHz
hw.vendor=HP
hw.product=ProLiant DL360 G7
what's the reason aes-128-gcm requires amd64? we can't add that code
to i386?
I'm looking for a small system that I can run ftp, web, personal mail and
maybe a build enviroment. I say small system only due to space
requirements.
A normal desktop computer or small would work well. This is one that I was
looking at but not sure if it would be i386 since it is an embedded
Opie f3n1x2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm looking for a small system that I can run ftp, web, personal mail and
maybe a build enviroment. I say small system only due to space requirements.
A normal desktop computer or small would work well. This is one that I was
looking at but not sure if it
Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote:
550Mb/s with aes-128-gcm (requires AES-NI and amd64) on
hw.model=Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5649 @ 2.53GHz
hw.vendor=HP
hw.product=ProLiant DL360 G7
what's the reason aes-128-gcm requires amd64? we can't add that code
to i386?
No technical reason,
There's always the possibility to split OpenBSD, `outsourcing' the
platforms which do not matter except to crazy nutcases to `RusticBSD'.
I would prefer the crazy nutcases apply their considerable knowledge
to stuff that still matters.
Would they still be nutcases if they'd perform
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:37:09AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
On 06/21/2012 01:27 PM, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
Hi,
Since deraadt mentioned the names of people who left to bitrig and I'm
wondering what will happen to the macppc port? Is it going to go the
route of the mac68k port too? I saw
I doubt you could build mac68k in a week.
He could.
My HP 345 takes roughly two weeks to build src, if there are no
problems. IIRC 8-10h to build a kernel.
Yours is a 68030 with 8MB, you're swap-bound. His is a 68040 with 64ish
MB.
The interesting question really would be: Are there any
I can recommend this one:
http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t5135/index.shtml
Other HP thin clients should be ok as well.
--
Michał Markowski
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:55:18AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
Wel, reading an answers book does not really help. Arriving at the
answers yourself (wich requires effort indeed) is much better.
A mentioned in the preface, KR requires some knowledge about general
programming concepts and/or
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:33:31AM +0200, ropers wrote:
There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it
just some random punter's crib notes or something that Messrs KR
wrote?
Would that be a good reference if one shows restraint and tries one's
own hand first, or would
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:35:06AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote:
morons
if you can't write forth code you should stay home.
diana
Past hissy-fits are not a predictor of future hissy-fits.
Nick Holland(06 Dec 2005)
I thought forth code was planted and grown like a bonsai tree.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.us
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:33:31AM +0200, ropers wrote:
There is an answers book?
Yes there is an official answers book, but it is written by other
authors. I believe that the KR book refers to it

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 02:42:24PM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote:
| On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:52:18 -0500, Mark Felder wrote:
|
| On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:39:24 -0500, Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com
| wrote:
|
| It is not a school of thought - it is how it is. I have seen one /126
| out in the
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:16:45 +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote:
That and Linux for dummies too !
That reminds me - a friend had a whole bunch of little sticky labels
printed. He would stick them on the front cover of $subject For Dummies
books in the bookstore.
They fitted between the $subject line
Hey i found this
http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for
newbie ..after this you can go to KR C.
Regards,
Jay.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Jay Patel rockworl...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey i found this
http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for
newbie ..after this you can go to KR C.
Regards,
Jay.
I must say this is a wealth of knowledge! Thanks to everyone for the input
I can't get the Atheros AR9485WB-EG wireless network adapter working. I
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