Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread Alexander Hall
Unless dhclient fiddles with mtu, which i really don't believe, just add mtu 1476 on a line in /etc/hostname.re1 /Alexander On 3 October 2014 04:34:15 CEST, Jay Hart jh...@kevla.org wrote: For reasons beyond my control and if I want to continue running my own email server, I need to change the

Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 10/2/14 11:39 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: May be a bit more for you as well under man hostname.if in the description it said this. Any lines not matching these packed formats are passed directly to ifconfig(8). and this section. options Miscellaneous options to set on the

Re: Firewall: Where is the bottleneck?

2014-10-03 Thread Ville Valkonen
On 2 October 2014 23:36, jum...@yahoo.de wrote: $ sysctl kern.netlivelocks kern.netlivelocks=2 What does this means? I found something like a deadlock, when two processes block each other, I'm right? This is useful information specially under the load. I don't have the source code available

Re: Firewall: Where is the bottleneck?

2014-10-03 Thread Ville Valkonen
On 3 October 2014 11:11, Ville Valkonen weezeld...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2014 23:36, jum...@yahoo.de wrote: $ sysctl kern.netlivelocks kern.netlivelocks=2 What does this means? I found something like a deadlock, when two processes block each other, I'm right? This is useful

Re: athn(4) may start in no carrier state when a failover trunkport

2014-10-03 Thread Josh Grosse
Way back in July, I wrote: When using this hostname.trunk0: --- trunkproto failover trunkport alc0 trunkport athn0 -inet6 dhcp --- If the master trunkport is active on initial state, either at boot or upon resume from suspend, on occasion the athn0 NIC shows no carrier. Upon

Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread trondd
The man page for dhclient.conf shows the ability to ignore options sent by the dhcp server. If hostname.* doesn't do it, that might be necessary. Tim. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote: On 10/2/14 11:39 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: May be a bit more for

openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
In my browser of choice, configured sensibly, this is all that can be seen at openbsdstore.com and openbsdeurope.com: | The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript disabled you will not be able to order from | this site... And yes, it literally ends with an ellipsis. Strangely enough, this

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Bryan Steele
On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 10:09:36AM -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: In my browser of choice, configured sensibly, this is all that can be seen at openbsdstore.com and openbsdeurope.com: | The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript disabled you will not be able to order from |

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2014-10-03 16:09 GMT+02:00 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu: Strangely enough, this doesn't incline me to enable javascript. Why? Don't you trust the store?

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Alan McKay
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Bryan Steele bry...@gmail.com wrote: So, you visit an order page likely content on providing your billing information and shipping address, but it's the use of Javascript that sways your final decision to order? I thought it was the ellipsis that did it :-)

NAT logging and limits using pf

2014-10-03 Thread Russell Sutherland
I am trying to determine whether using an OpenBSD system to perform institutional NAT for our wireless users would be a viable option. At the present time we are evaluating the A10 Thunder CGN appliance. There are a few issues for which I would like to get some input for those using pf for NAT

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Martin Schröder wrote: 2014-10-03 16:09 GMT+02:00 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu: Strangely enough, this doesn't incline me to enable javascript. Why? Don't you trust the store? Heh, literally blind trust, eh? What store? You call it a store. And I did expect it to be

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Bryan Steele wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 10:09:36AM -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: In my browser of choice, configured sensibly, this is all that can be seen at openbsdstore.com and openbsdeurope.com: | The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript disabled

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Who said anything about an order page? Who said anything about final decisions? The text provided gave me no information upon which to base any decision of that kind. As I made perfectly clear in my post, the accessible content on the website is a single, elided sentence. Why should I

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
2014-10-03 16:09 GMT+02:00 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu: Strangely enough, this doesn't incline me to enable javascript. Why? Don't you trust the store? Heh, literally blind trust, eh? What store? You call it a store. And I did expect it to be a store of some kind, since

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Theo de Raadt wrote: So easy to be critical. Sure. And some criticism happens to be useful. Some say it's even more useful than wagon-circling.

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Theo de Raadt wrote: Who said anything about an order page? Who said anything about final decisions? The text provided gave me no information upon which to base any decision of that kind. As I made perfectly clear in my post, the accessible content on the website is a

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Aaron
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Theo de Raadt wrote: Who said anything about an order page? Who said anything about final decisions? The text provided gave me no information upon which to base any decision of that kind. As I made

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread ludovic coues
2014-10-03 16:09 GMT+02:00 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu: In my browser of choice, configured sensibly, this is all that can be seen at openbsdstore.com and openbsdeurope.com: | The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript disabled you will not be able to order from | this site... I'm

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matti Karnaattu
Why should I enable javascript to obtain basic information about a website? Why do not keep Javascript all time enabled? Keeping Javascript disabled is like disabling programmability from shell. What is the idea?

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread J Sisson
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, ludovic coues cou...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-03 16:09 GMT+02:00 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu: In my browser of choice, configured sensibly, this is all that can be seen at openbsdstore.com and openbsdeurope.com: | The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Theo de Raadt wrote: But instead you brought your complaint to misc. Indeed. You have an agenda. Sure do. I had reason to distrust the website, as I've explained. But I have no reason to distrust this

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Matti Karnaattu wrote: Why should I enable javascript to obtain basic information about a website? Why do not keep Javascript all time enabled? Keeping Javascript disabled is like disabling programmability from shell. What is the idea? You're making a joke, maybe? *I*

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matti Karnaattu
I can't know what interest openbsdeurope has in requiring users to enable JS to obtain any information from their website. Probably 999 users in thousand doesn't want to make web crippled and doesn't even think that standard JS is any special requirement. *I* choose what programs my shell

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 03-10-2014 16:01, Matti Karnaattu wrote: Soon it is probably nearly impossible to do anything useful with web without Javascript. It is defacto and dejure standard language for portable applications. I believe the OP could have done his research a little better, there are other ways of

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread J Sisson
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Matti Karnaattu mkarnaa...@gmail.com wrote: No, you choosed that web page to visit. http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_http.asp If the javascript contains an XMLHTTPRequest object, it can call out to a different server (than the one you are visiting) without your

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread System Administrator
No, the one lacking understanding is you -- the fact that 99.9% of the Internet users are clueless (and even worse, *lax*) about security, probably never heard of OpenBSD and most likely will never use it because it interferes with their daily fill of spam and malware is totally irrelevant for

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Denis Fondras
Here it is for your convenience: If you wish to contact us by phone, please call +44 (0) 115 986 8786, Monday to Friday 10am-2:30pm - Linda Bramley Email: ord...@openbsdstore.com Address: OpenBSD Store Zednax Limited 241 Wellington Road South Stockport SK2 6NG

syslog level and files

2014-10-03 Thread sven falempin
Dear list, Why the level information of logs are not present in log files (and yes i could put a certain level in a certain file but then i have to sort it all..) ? Best regards, --

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matti Karnaattu
If the javascript contains an XMLHTTPRequest object, it can call out to a different server (than the one you are visiting) without your explicit knowledge, download content, and do basically whatever the user the browser is running as can do, I'm aware. This object is in practice transformed

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread System Administrator
On 3 Oct 2014 at 23:48, Matti Karnaattu wrote: ... etc...and that's not the only way javascript can be used maliciously These are called security holes. There is good reason not to explicitly trust javascript or any other browser plugin that allow the remote site to execute code on your

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 03-10-2014 17:48, Matti Karnaattu wrote: Unfortunately, we are living world where almost all applications are nowadays writen with Javascript or compiled to Javascript. And it is matter of time when rest of the issues are solved which prevents it using ~everywhere to reduce server load. So

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:20 PM, J Sisson sisso...@gmail.com wrote: If the javascript contains an XMLHTTPRequest object, it can call out to a different server (than the one you are visiting) without your explicit knowledge, download content, and do basically whatever the user the browser is

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matti Karnaattu
So you are saying that soon everything will be force fed to you and you will be ok with it? There are two things which irritates me in computing: 1. Need of security updates 2. Two pieces of technology which are not compatible with each other. I'm GLAD that finally we have Javascript. At

Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I totally failed to see the relevance of the dhclient here. Option in DHCP have nothing to do with options in hardware specific network card configuration. Options (255 possible) in dhcp are like either specify in their number or in many cases with their name to make it easy for human, lke 1 -

Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: Keeping Javascript disabled is like disabling programmability from shell. What is the idea? You're making a joke, maybe? *I* choose what programs my shell executes. But when I visit a webpage on the

Re: syslog level and files

2014-10-03 Thread Jiri B
On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 04:37:06PM -0400, sven falempin wrote: Dear list, Why the level information of logs are not present in log files (and yes i could put a certain level in a certain file but then i have to sort it all..) ? Because classic syslog format is very free-form. Sorry but is

Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Matti Karnaattu
and navigation of a site should not require javascript as per w3c guidelines. The thing is that web is more than web sites. It is also full of applications and these are totally mixed. However considering OpenBSD users are security savvy and should understand the potential risks of random sites

Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-10-03, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote: But this had nothing to do with options in hardware network cards configuration like half duplex, full duplex, auto negotiation, speed, mtu, etc. er, there is option 26, interface mtu. however dhclient(8) appears to ignore it.

Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread System Administrator
On 4 Oct 2014 at 1:41, Matti Karnaattu wrote: ... I don't think that is pragmatic to expect people to use computers without applications. Or expect users of some software doesn't want to use applications. why not be the ultimate pragmatist you preach and go run Windows? (Isn't that what

Re: Changing MTU size

2014-10-03 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 10/3/14 6:43 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2014-10-03, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote: But this had nothing to do with options in hardware network cards configuration like half duplex, full duplex, auto negotiation, speed, mtu, etc. er, there is option 26, interface mtu.

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Zé Loff
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 01:11:06AM +0300, Matti Karnaattu wrote: So you are saying that soon everything will be force fed to you and you will be ok with it? There are two things which irritates me in computing: 1. Need of security updates 2. Two pieces of technology which are not

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-03 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
| The OpenBSD Store | If you have JavaScript disabled you will not be able to order from | this site... ludovic coues asked | I'm curious, how did you get this message ? (running 5.5-stable amd64) lynx https://www.openbsdstore.com or lynx http://www.openbsd.org -- Buy CDs/Shirts/Posters

Re: syslog level and files

2014-10-03 Thread Dan Farrell
I think your complaint is answered in the blog you cite... rsyslog can force the pid inside the TAG to match the pid of the log message emitter - for quite a while now. It is also easy to add additional trusted properties. Dan On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Jiri B ji...@devio.us wrote: On

W540 Thinkpads

2014-10-03 Thread STeve Andre'
Is anyone using one with OpenBSD? Email me directly if you are willing to talk. Thanks, STeve Andre'