> > Might be a stupid question, but I haven't found an answer to it yet
> > - how does one update to a new snapshot/kernel on an octeon system?
>
> boot bsd.rd and select upgrade in the installer. (i hope.)
>
I'm afraid this is not as simple as this, yet. You will also need to
copy your kernel
> chose 'keyboad layout' jp(japanese),
> then i cannot input _(under bar) .
Are you using a PS/2 or USB keyboard? The underscore should be obtained
with shift-backslash (using the key left of the right shift key).
> do people need autorepeat in the installer? (for what?) i think it'd be
> simpler to just disable it in all ramdisks.
Not all keyboards support disabling autorepeat, and for those which can,
this would add more badly tested code path to their drivers.
> VNC KVM install means some keypresses will be interpreted as seconds-long,
> ordinarily leading to multiple unintended "enter" or character key presses
> which easily seriously breaks things, when the connection is not perfect,
> which it many times is not.
>
> I believe there is no way to
> For local console I've googled and TERM=wsvt25 brings colors to emacs
> and vim for me on amd64.
wsvt25 (and wsvt43 and wsvt50) only are 8-color terminals, and that's
the best the kernels's console emulation code will provide; and this is
not going to change anytime soon. If you want 16 or 256
> Can someone give be a brief rundown on how OpenBSD handles color on console?
It depends upon the terminal emulation being used. OpenBSD provides both
a `sun' terminal emulation, which is the default on sparc and sparc64
(use either TERM=sun for faithful behavioul or TERM=rcons-color for the
> General hints for picking up an alpha:
[...]
> If you intend to be in the same room as the machine, pick a workstation
> model and not a server.
DS25 are supposed to be deskside workstations, but their noise level
fits in the `server' category.
> Could you also include the output of "ifconfig", "netstat -nf inet" and
> "netsat -rn"?
"vmstat -i" might be useful as well.
is 'bus_dma'
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man9/bus_dma.9
the equivalent of 'ioremap/ioread32'
http://www.makelinux.net/ldd3/chp-9-sect-4--
?
I don't think so.
It looks like you are attempting to port a PCI driver, and attempting to
access the device's register.
Indeed. If you're a my neighbour listens to heavy metal all day, whether
he wants to or not kind of person, then these machines are for your home.
Well, ny neighbours listen to heavy metal every day whether they want it
or not, but I'd hate for a loud computer to impair that heavy metal
What are the minimum requirements for a decent SPARC machine? I mean
by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop. I am
currently use a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with 2 GB DDR and it barely meets my
needs. Tell me please the CPU or the machine name, I will search the
prices :-).
I doubt
Hi Miod,
is your statement from
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/218944 :
Until someone spends enough time checking the various compiler
versions around to check which are safe to use, and which are not,
this code will remain disabled in LibreSSL.
still valid, or was
hash
Wikipedia says that he use of hash for this sign may have come
from Baudot, which predated both ASCII and EBCDIC.
I thought everyone here knew that this sign is actually historically
called `sliced unicorn hearts' after the specific pattern their heart
display when thinly sliced.
I am now trying to revert errata 9 and recompile libcrypto to see if I get
a usable system back. (This is a fun breakage, curl is no longer working
for instance.) If think I will move o to bsd.rd.
You can use ftp(1) instead of curl.
In the hubbub around OpenSSL 1.0.1n I read there was a
It is not the responsibility of the operating system to protect its
users against software which assumes using the pid as a random source is
a bright and wise idea.
#define SYS_MMAP(addr, len, prot, flags, fd, off) \
__syscall(SYS_mmap, (void *)(addr), (size_t)(len), \
(int)(prot), (int)(flags), (int)(fd), (__off_t)(off))
#elif defined(__FreeBSD_kernel__)
#define SYS_MMAP(addr, len, prot, flags, fd, off) \
Hi there, I wonder if others had the same problem with the latest
snapshot. I can't install over http, for every file it fails with
Ilegal instruction. Does anyone else has the same problem? It's the
snapshot from the 26th, the latest.
Do you realize you are not giving ANY information which
Now I finally (cough) notice those error messages in dmesg.boot. Not
sure how critical they are, if it's referring to missing binary blobs,
and if openbsd has fallen back to acceptable/stable defaults or
something. But where it says screen 1-5 added, that seems to connect
with 'man
This is very good news! How does it work? How did you install? CD?
I used to run Linux on HPPA, before the disks died, but I had a lot of
trouble with software being buggy on HPPA. No Stack made a lot of stuff
crazy (ffcall, ffi, interpreters, brwosers) in any case a very fine memory
bug
I think that's a win.
What about PFS-only + HIGH ciphers?
What about interoperability? It is too early to restrict LibreSSL to
PFS ciphersuites, alas.
Miod
Sometimes you have to break things to make it better
Yes, and getting people to stop using LibreSSL because it suddenly is
not interoperable with anything would surely help a lot.
Instead, we are trying to get developers to try and use LibreSSL
provided libtsl, which defaults to sane, strong
interoperable - you mean there are still softwares that really count and
still cannot use/support HIGH ciphers? wow. What a world we live in.. :\
There are still idiots top-posting, why wouldn't there be idiots
misconfiguring TLS servers or not giving a damn?
Miod
You can borrow a tip from USB hardware hackers here: use an external
hub to help protect your ports.
But I really need my hub, too!
Look for people holding ``free hubs!'' signs in the streets...
Both works with OpenBSD 5.4.
Ok, I've remembered ACPI and given it a try to disable in UKC.
Now, the stuff works. :-)
But now you're depriving us of the means to help you.
Please send a 5.4 dmesg if you still have it, and 5.6 dmesgs with and
without acpi disabled, as well as `acpidump' and
Make -h, -p and -r distinct, incompatible, options. (removes support for
-hp)
Like FreeBSD, it seems reasonable to also mark -k as incompatible with the
other three options.
I hate this. I type shutdown -hp all the time.
Ditto. I'm fine with -p implying -h, but don't break existing
So I've been wondering about variable length arrays from c99 for a while
now. They seem to me like a good way to avoid lots of trivial calls to
malloc/free at least for smaller arrays that aren't going to blow up the
stack. That said I don't see them being used.
The promise of them seems
I should have also specified that I didn't just go ahead and enable them
because I wasn't sure if they're considered safe. I like abiding by
OpenBSD's crypto best practices when possible.
Is there any reason why they're disabled by default?
Compiler bugs generate incorrect code for
Here's a list of projects that I'm aware of that openBSD created. Is
that correct? (p) is for portable. What else am I missing?
mandoc (p)
Mandoc was not initiated by OpenBSD, although it got engulfed very
quickly thanks to Ingo's hard work.
Was Tim Miller (guy that created sudo, right?) an openbsd developer
before/during/after/never when sudo was put in base in 2009?
He's Todd Miller, he did not create sudo, and sudo was imported in 1999,
not 2009.
This change is not going to happen.
Okay, thanks, I can see how that would be a problem.
Note that these variables are ?=, so environment takes precedence. Just
build with RELDIR and RELXDIR set in addition of RELEASEDIR and you're
all set.
Not that long ago we saw a lot of commits related to null checks being
not needed before free() calls.
[...]
So how should I interpret this in relation to the above commit messages?
1) double free is safe, no need for null checks
2) double free is detected by OpenBSD, no need for null
I can confirm the spurious segmentation faults or `double free' issues
with an SM40 module, and I am currently investigating the issue.
Miod
chgrp operator /dev/X
Thanks. I tried it but I now get
Disk /dev/X is user root, group operator, permissions brw---.
Permissions are supposed to be 640.
Either your original install was not made from a verified OpenBSD
source, or you've run some scripts on your system since then,
Examples:
treetykaveprethicooputhedu
soonataviceenoopatecoge
gootrozapiceelytrithunula
preezypeendothanundipeesooka
These stand no chance against a finnish attacker!
Miod
Use ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/Changelogs/ or any mirror.
For developers, the same is available in /cvs/CVSROOT/ChangeLog*.
Ah, but these files lack about one month of changes in 1996.
Hi,
I've installed OpenBSD 5.6 (i386) on a dual processor XEON box which
has a 4 port Sun (Sun# 501-6738-10) Gigabit NIC card. dmesg doesn't
have any indication that the card is installed. Booting Linux shows
the card as Sun/Cassini which I believe should be handled by the cas
driver.
just22@poseidon:[xfe] sudo su -c ls
su: no such login class: ls
so basically sudo is parsing the -c option instead of passing it to
su.
No, it is not. If it were, the error message would come from sudo, not
from su.
And, in any case, why the same command works in Linux? do they use a
I'm trying to encrypt a file using openssl and a prompted password on OpenBSD.
Unfortunately there is no prompt and all I get is a 'bad password read':
I'll guess you're using a snapshot from one or two weeks old. This has
been fixed since.
http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html shows the 'cvs update' command being
run by root (# shell prompt), and I wouldn't expect any non-root user
to have write permission to /usr/src anyway. So... why is doing the
cvs-update as root a bad idea?
Is this a kind of bad joke? Running anything as
cd /usr/
export CVSROOT=anon...@anoncvs.openbsd.org:/cvs
cvs -d$CVSROOT up -rOPENBSD_5_5 -Pd
You should run this in /usr/src, not /usr. And you should not run this
command as root either.
Is this some kind of security protection ?
of course... see mknod(2).
i read it and still does not understand.
Check the description of EINVAL.
Now you have and example of how they are unwilling to work with you next
time someone asks why not work with OpenSSL on fixing it. Pretty direct
proof.
The culture gap between OpenSSL and OpenBSD/LibreSSL is UNFIXABLE.
We believe in peer review; they don't give a sh*t about it (as shown
less
When I run sh checkflist from /usr/src/distrib/sets I get the
following output:
# cd /usr/src/distrib/sets
# sh checkflist
1,51d0
[snip 28721 lines]
In the past I usually get no output when I run it.
Any thoughts?
You forgot to set DESTDIR.
6) Wired LAN not supported
Attansic Technology AR8171 rev 0x10 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured
There is currently no support for this chip in OpenBSD. If you're
willing to tinker, you could try and port the FreeBSD driver available
here:
https://github.com/markjdb/alx-freebsd
which
When I run X, I get the following result (from Xorg.0.log):
[...]
[ 42880.713] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics: 2000-5000
[ 42880.713] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics: 5100
[ 42880.713] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics: 5200
[ 42880.713] (II)
If one is to consider only hardware that is still being manufactured
(ie: bought new), what are our options now?
The only big-endian systems you can buy new nowadays, would be
Octeon-based systems. Some of them can run OpenBSD.
The question I have is can I disable the random number generator?s use of
that instruction? I?d rather be on -current than years old.
Apart from the following hammer, I see no easy way to achieve this.
Index: i386/machdep.c
===
On 2014-04-26, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote:
The question I have is can I disable the random number generator?s use of
that instruction? I?d rather be on -current than years old.
Apart from the following hammer, I see no easy way to achieve this.
Index: i386/machdep.c
to understand the purpose of the binary compats, you really have to go
way back in history. there was a time when the only way to run a
grapical browser on openbsd was to use the netscape binary under BSDi
emulation (I think it was BSDi, not 100% certain) on i386 or the solaris
binary under
I've upgraded -current (i386, dated april 6th, 2014), and a few things
(e.g. pkg_mgr and libreoffice4.1) won't start.
Is it intentionally broken, or the packages are just out of sync?
You did not say what state you were upgrading from. Your question can't
be answered without this
I would volunteer to translate the FAQ into Bazgelootz, a language my
wife and daughter and I made up
over 25 years around the dinner table, but they don't use OpenBSD.
Would your translation have been in Traditional Bazgelootz, or in
Simplified Bazgelootz?
The former could be useful to get,
I noticed error message on boot a while ago, but wasn't paying much
attention until right now.
[...]
Using snap from today, but saw problem a good time ago, wish I had paid
attention sooner.
Do you have an old dmesg from a kernel with working sound? Did you
change anything in your BIOS
Attacks with LD_PRELOAD are very old and can
be performed on any OS where you have dynamic linking (Linux, *BSD
etc.), so yes, OpenBSD is vulnerable to this type of stuff.
You forgot to mention that the value of LD_PRELOAD is ignored for set*id
executables, in order to
It actually should reduce the risk for set*id(), but this in the past
related to CVE-2006-6164 (_dl_unsetenv())?
Yes, and this has been fixed since.
and of course PAM:
http://blackhatlibrary.net/Hooking_PAM
Well, there's a reason why OpenBSD does not embed PAM. It has to do with
software giving people enough rope to hang themselves.
i386-donatetoopenbsdfoundationtoday-openbsd5.4?
or i386-bikeshed-openbsd.
[cc: tech@, reply-to set to tech@]
After suspend or hibernate, I lose my designated console keyboard layout
(sv) and it reverts to the default (us?) wsconsctl shows that the
encoding to still be sv,
keyboard.encoding=sv
What setting(s) am I missing to preserve the designated
Something is inconsistent here. Do you mean the uk is not the
default? Or there is a difference between mux default and new attach
default? How does one know whether plugging a keyboard in is
reattaching it or attachning a new one?
There is a difference between a keyboard which can provide
Having used most of the architectures out there,
can you please say which of them consume most/least power
in regular operation of OpenBSD, if you have such statistics?
I can't tell for the exact machines Theo is using, but here are a few
values from my bunker:
- VAX 4000/106 (fast vax,
And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the
bugs.
It's almost bedtime in Europe. Do you mind if I tell you a bedtime
story?
Years ago, a (back then) successful company selling high-end Unix-based
workstations, having been designing its own systems and core components
Yes, we remove about 10 of the architectures. We'd slowly lose the
developers who like to work on those areas. They also work in other
areas, but ... I suspect they would another BSD that supports them.
Darn' tootin'!
Anyone want to suggest we hold a bake sale?
Make that a lo-carb bake
however removing
et*at pci?# Agere/LSI ET1310
causes this at link stage:
ld -Ttext 0xD0200120 -e start -N --warn-common -nopie -S -x -o bsd
${SYSTEM_HEAD} vers.o ${OBJS}
fxp.o(.text+0x495): In function `fxp_mediachange':
: undefined reference to `mii_phy_reset'
I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some
trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB.
[...]
I have read INSTALL.i386 and
it says that I need at least 32 MB of RAM for 5.4.
[...]
Apologies if there
OpenBSD is getting so bloated these days, it requires
so much RAM :)
Only on x86!
Miod
PMON vers
PMON: PMON2000 2.1 (Bonito) #14: Tue May 18 10:33:47 CST 2010
The yeeloong here runs the same version, and autoboots correctly, but
its disk is only 160GB.
I am not aware of anyone using = 500GB disks in a Yeeloong, this could
very well trigger a bug in Lemote's bastardisation of
2. change the disk to Seagate 500g disk, install 5.4 release with same
settings.
1)when power up the notebook, system will hung in the splash screen (Press
Tab to recover | Press Del to setup)
now hit Del, can not enter PMON prompt(nothing happend)
2)if power up the notebook and Press
What should i do to have scrollback again?
Scrollback is currently not supported when running frame buffer display
drivers. I am not aware of plans to work on restoring this feature
(although it is probably somewhere on my todolist).
Btw, to mitigate this fact, is there maybe a mode to
On the i386 snapshots dated Oct 9 and Oct 23, I am unable to make the
text-mode console (no fancy inteldrm here) repeat keyboard input any faster
than the default.
[...]
$ wsconsctl keyboard.repeat.del1=1
keyboard.repeat.del1 - 1
$ wsconsctl keyboard.repeat.deln=1
keyboard.repeat.deln -
Hello again,
Is it possible to utilise the keyboard backlight found on Apple
laptops with OpenBSD?
If it attaches as a set of usb devices and exposes the backlight as one
of its report descriptors, then it could be controllable from OpenBSD.
You might want to tinker with usbhidctl(1).
Miod
Relating to my post on September 12 about the SHA256 file missing for
several architectures's snapshots (
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=137900173516173w=2), I've noticed that
several other architectures' INSTALL.$arch file lists a non-existent m88k
package architecture.
I'm not sure what
Who uses bootparam? Only the Kernel?
bootparam is used by network boot blocks on several machines, as well as
by the kernel when booting with root on nfs.
Is Bootparamd a standard? FreeBSD has it with the same author,
there is also a Bootparamd in SunOS. I think this is important
to know
I can't say whether this is the thinking of the OpenBSD developers,
but I have seen some concerns over the years that tty_tickets gives
a false sense of security.
Not to mention the annoyance.
Miod
Geez, not much changed in the 89 years between now and 2102. :-)
Ken
Im the idiot from the future, 2 days ago, I thought I was running 5.4-RELEASE
on there
5.4-RELEASE will have time issues in 2102. However, 5.4-CURRENT as of
now ought to run without any particular problems
Here's an addition of opening quotes in this INSTALL file:
Fixed. Thanks!
Miod
$ . .shrc
/bin/ksh: .: .shrc: not found
$ . ~/.shrc
$ echo $SHELL
/bin/ksh
Why is it that ksh can find ~/.shrc and '.' it,
but cannot find .shrc, which is the very same file?
Because '.' is not in your $PATH.
Miod
A recent discussion (``Default software in the base'') suggests using
Clang/LLVM as the system compiler in OpenBSD in the short-term future.
This discussion hasn't really gone anywhere, yet I thought I could waste
bandwidth with my thoughts as the current de-facto compiler maintainer
in OpenBSD.
Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java.
But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides
filing disks?
Miod
an unlikely combination, but a 486sx with a Weitek 4167 would qualify.
And OpenBSD would not run on it, because it only expects an
x87-compatible FPU on such a system.
Plus... I would not be surprised if some day, someone (probably
Chinese/Taiwanese/Indian) did an embedded x86 compatible-ish
Has anyone done a successful upgrade from Loongson 5.2 to 5.3? I've done
upgrades on numerous platforms and this is the only one I've ever had
problems with. The upgrade seemed to go fine and finish normally. After the
reboot it goes from the Lemote Dragon screen to a black screen and stops
A fresh install also doesn't boot and using PMON to boot into it fails the
same way as on the old install. Well crap. That was unexpected.
If a new install fails, now that's something unexpected. Will installing
5.2 (which used to work) boot again?
Miod
An update...the bsd.rd kernel boots from / but not bsd. bsd from snapshots
also boots. Looks like there is some problem with bsd in loongson 5.3
release.
Where did you get your 5.3 release from? Did you check its md5?
Miod
Thank you for the reply, I have now tried suspending with 'zzz', which puts
the netbook to sleep within a second, but it will not turn back on by
pressing keys or the touchpad/touchpad buttons.
So now the machine will not go back on, unless I assume, if I use the power
button, in which case
I have installed OpenBSD onto my Lemote netbook, and have apmd running on
startup. If I run the command 'zzz' the computer suspends perfectly.
However, on turning the machine back on, it boots as normal, with complains
about being uncleanly shutdown.
How did you `turn the machine back on'?
Were you thinking of something like that? It works for me (c) tm, with
my PowerBooks (disk@0/wd0), I haven't tried NFS boot yet.
Not exactly, but your version is probably better than what I was
thinking of. However, it will not allow for root on the second wd disk
of a controller, or on any
I wasn't able to find out what error 5 is.
EIO. There are probably horrible I/O error messages in your dmesg prior
to this panic.
I will try disabling softdeps on that filesystem.
This will indeed avoid the panic (which occurs because at this point
there is no way to propagate the I/O error
Hi,
I inserted the card into a debian laptop which recongizes it. Here
some output.
dmesg:
[ 149.244112] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket1: pccard: PCMCIA card
inserted into slot 1
[ 149.244234] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket1: cs: memory probe
0xa000-0xa0ff: excluding
just wonder in a typical hard drive nowadays (SATA/SAS), the sector 0
is in the inner or outter track ?
Which tracks are faster: the inner ones or the outter ?
Only the manufacturer knows.
Disks have been reporting fake geometries since more than 20 years. The
electronic on the disk will do
Please, please, please, can someone port ZFS, just to end this endless
thread...?
Please someone port HAMMER instead. We are only interested in free
software, with no strings attached.
Don't be a tease!! What's in -current?
Ponies. Lots of'em.
The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat
cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake.
I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available.
Actually, vi used to be in the installation media, 15 years ago. Lack of
space
Just upgraded to a current again, with the same problem,
and the same solution:
[...]
wdc1 at kauaiata0 irq 39: DMA
atapiscsi0 at wdc1 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, DVD-R UJ-825, DAND ATAPI 5/cdrom
removable
wd0 at wdc1
I seem to be unable to boot from locally-compiled bsd.rd (i386). I
have triple-checked everything I'm doing against release(8)
instructions and tried both 5.2 -stable and release CVS tags; the
result is the same: panic: cannot open disk, 0x1100/0x2f02, error 22
Let me guess. You have
You need to rebuild binutils first - this ought to be added to the
`following -current' faq, but hasn't been added yet.
Miod
Question: Why is there duplicate code in bus.h that says its not
implemented?
This was added by mistake in 1.44 by accident, and noone had noticed so
far. Thanks for reporting this.
Miod
Dual-core MIPS64 processor with hardware acceleration for packet
processing and encryption/decryption.
And conveniently not giving any more details. Also, there might be no
easy way to load anything but the manufacturer-provided software.
Only 99 USD, wonder if OpenBSD can run on it and take
there was already some work to get Cavium based systems
supported.
However, 1) Cavium is anal^Wreticent about providing documentation
without strings attached, and 2) Cavium hardawre does not really fit in
the $100 price range.
Also, the Cavium cnMIPS cores lack a FPU, which is probably not
You will find idiots on @misc. It's one of the few things not in the
FAQ.
We'd rather not have idiots in the FAQ (-:
Miod
I would like to change /etc/ttys to get, for instance:
ttyC3 /usr/libexec/getty std.192600 vt220 on secure
instead of :
ttyC3 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt220 on secure
Do you think i could run into problems ?
As long as you are using a baud rate recognized by getty,
2G: fixed 2F without the branch prediction bug. I am told the recent
Yeeloong and Fuloong are fit with 2G processors. I am not even sure
these can be told apart in software, as 2G supposedly reports itself as
a 2F level.
Does anybody have a piece of assembly code that triggers the
Note that all this is because of PMON bugs, we did our best to
circumvent the bugs, but this is the best we can do.
No, we can do better. The real pie-in-the-sky fix is to do what had been
done on hp300 30 years ago: make the bootloader actually be a kernel
without userland, scheduling and
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