Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-13 Thread Steve Litt
mich...@mlpdesign.com said on Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:33:03 -0500 >Hi all > >Ok, here's is update2 to the design. Note: I still need to break this >down into individual patches for review but wanted to get feedback on >the aesthetics first. > >v1: https://www.openbsd.design/cvs/www/index.html >

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-12 Thread Chris Bennett
On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 06:23:07PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:38:46PM -0400, Amelia A Lewis wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:11:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > When did it become an assumption that we would adopt any of these > > > changes? > > > > I

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-12 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:38:46PM -0400, Amelia A Lewis wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:11:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: When did it become an assumption that we would adopt any of these changes? I don't think that it did become an assumption, but as a number of people have responded to the

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-12 Thread Chris Bennett
On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 07:21:24PM +0900, Pontus Stenetorp wrote: > On Sat 12 Aug 2023, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > To me, it looks just "different" rather than particularly better > > (except on mobile browsers, where I find the redesigned one a bit worse > > by having the links hidden away

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-12 Thread Pontus Stenetorp
On Sat 12 Aug 2023, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > To me, it looks just "different" rather than particularly better > (except on mobile browsers, where I find the redesigned one a bit worse > by having the links hidden away down the bottom. Scrolling to read the > text on mobile browsers with the

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
To me, it looks just "different" rather than particularly better (except on mobile browsers, where I find the redesigned one a bit worse by having the links hidden away down the bottom. Scrolling to read the text on mobile browsers with the existing version is a bit of a nuisance, but so is

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Daniele B.
Aug 12, 2023 01:43:10 mich...@mlpdesign.com: > > Ask: I'm curious to hear from others if v2 is more aligned with your desire > for the look of the updated site. I think is much better. And I think that when you align to standards it is difficult to lose in readability. I'm just checking by my

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Amelia A Lewis
On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:11:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > When did it become an assumption that we would adopt any of these > changes? I don't think that it did become an assumption, but as a number of people have responded to the initial design, to the point that the designer offered a

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread micheal
Hi Theo No assumption on my part at least. I’d hugely value hearing you input if you have time though. E.g. are you open to these types of updates. If so, which parts would & wouldn’t you be supportive of. Etc. Thanks in advance. On 2023-08-11 21:11, Theo de Raadt wrote: When did it

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
When did it become an assumption that we would adopt any of these changes?

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Amelia A Lewis
I'm going to add my couple bits worth. Summary: I prefer v2 apart from line length; a max might be better. I'm reading on a laptop with a fairly large display (1920x1200), using Chrome. On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:33:03 -0500, mich...@mlpdesign.com wrote: [snip] > What's Changed in v2: >

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread micheal
Hi all Ok, here's is update2 to the design. Note: I still need to break this down into individual patches for review but wanted to get feedback on the aesthetics first. v1: https://www.openbsd.design/cvs/www/index.html v2: https://www.openbsd.design/cvs/www2/index.html What's Change in v2:

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Steve Litt
j...@bitminer.ca said on Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:52:18 -0600 >- font size is too small; but so is the original. Lato at 14px is >similar to Times Roman at 16px in words per line but it's still too >small. (Chrome on windows, 100% zoom).Try 14.5px and >letterspacing 0.1px and see if this is

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Steve Litt
David Demelier said on Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:48:05 +0200 >On Wed, 2023-08-09 at 14:01 -0500, mich...@mlpdesign.com wrote: >> Hi everyone >> >> WHAT: >> = >> I greatly respect OpenBSD; while I don't have OS tech level expertise >> to contribute - I do have some design skills and wanted to

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread j
When I first saw it there was this "aha" feeling that it was a big improvement. Good stuff! Then I read a few of the comments and looked at the pages with a bit more of a critical eye. So here are some comments and suggestions: - font size is too small; but so is the original. Lato at

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread micheal
Hi Mark On my desktop with dual 4K screens @3840x2160 (16:9) resolution the new design is basically illegible because the css wrongly determines this to be a high resolution small screen (aka phone) which is a step backwards, browser-zooming to 200% is not really an option because that also

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread Mark Prins
On my desktop with dual 4K screens @3840x2160 (16:9) resolution the new design is basically illegible because the css wrongly determines this to be a high resolution small screen (aka phone) which is a step backwards, browser-zooming to 200% is not really an option because that also changes the

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-11 Thread David Demelier
On Wed, 2023-08-09 at 14:01 -0500, mich...@mlpdesign.com wrote: > Hi everyone > > WHAT: > = > I greatly respect OpenBSD; while I don't have OS tech level expertise > to contribute - I do have some design skills and wanted to contribute > to the community and project. > > So I created a new

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread David Rinehart
Great project and introduction - I think you are on the right path! A suggestion: Do like everyone here does with other code changes - Work in smaller steps. Simplify and minimize (a little more). Do not change any colors or images on an initial pass of the changes. Try only changing just the

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread Daniele B.
I agree with the general thoughts around these last observations. The gui you are proposing is a little too black starting from the sidebar logo and the font a little small. Probably is that we like blood here but not the black color. (if not in night mode) Also most of us are probably

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread Matthew Ernisse
On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 02:01:14PM -0500, mich...@mlpdesign.com said: So I created a new CSS (stylesheet) for OpenBSD.org It can be viewed at: https://www.openbsd.design/cvs/www/index.html I think it has been noted before but I'll echo that index.html just feels plain wrong. The dark

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread Courtney
I too find the front page a little odd, maybe because it is more scrunched up on my desktop. The colors are a little too dark in dark mode. I can't read the text for previously clicked links. I like the change quite a bit on mobile. Courtney On 8/10/23 12:45, Benjamin Stürz wrote: Hi

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread Benjamin Stürz
Hi Michael, great work, especially with the light theme, but the dark theme is too dark for my taste and IMO the puffy should link to the front page. As Kevin said, the front page looks odd, for me too. Maybe the layout of it should stay as is, or be completely changed. I think that the

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-10 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:12 PM wrote: > Child Pages. > > I'd like to draw peoples attention to the child pages of > my redesign. > > Just a few examples (but note, ALL child pages have been > updated with new design): > > A. FAQ > > before: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html > after:

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread micheal
Hi Christian Does your redesign work well on text mode browsers? I tested with lynx, renders exact same. It's no different than existing official openbsd.org website because no HTML was changed, only CSS.

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread Christian Groessler
On 8/9/23 23:02, mich...@mlpdesign.com wrote: Child Pages. I'd like to draw peoples attention to the child pages of my redesign. Does your redesign work well on text mode browsers? regards, chris

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread micheal
Child Pages. I'd like to draw peoples attention to the child pages of my redesign. Just a few examples (but note, ALL child pages have been updated with new design): A. FAQ before: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html after: https://www.openbsd.design/cvs/www/faq/index.html B. FAQ -

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread micheal
Hi Kevin Thank you for the quick reply and looking at the live site. 1. Regarding the /index.html, currently that's the only page on the official openbsd.org website that is left aligned (all other pages are centered aligned). I kept that as-in, but I capped /index.html total width to

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread micheal
Hi Chris On iOS/Safari, you can adjust the web browser font size by clicking the "aA" in the url bar, and then adjust the font to be some size larger than "100%". It works for me at least when I test it on my redesigned site. On 2023-08-09 15:19, Chris Bennett wrote: I haven't even looked

Re: Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread Chris Bennett
I haven't even looked at these changes, yet. But I have a terrible time reading text on mobile devices. There doesn't seem to be any way (that I know of), to change text size without either using the phones settings for text size (Yuck) or changing the default size or accessibility settings in

Feedback on redesigned OpenBSD.org

2023-08-09 Thread micheal
Hi everyone WHAT: = I greatly respect OpenBSD; while I don't have OS tech level expertise to contribute - I do have some design skills and wanted to contribute to the community and project. So I created a new CSS (stylesheet) for OpenBSD.org It can be viewed at: