Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-05 Thread Jan Stary
On Jul 05 03:36:30, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On 2012-06-27 19:25, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-04 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 2012-06-27 19:25, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: that would be cool to

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 2012-06-27 19:25, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: that would be cool to

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-03 Thread Lars Hansson
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: I beg all true @misc followers Search the archives for this shit eating moron's posts. Funny, the only ones showing up when I search for useless posts are yours. Cheers, Lars

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-03 Thread Lars Hansson
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Other than boring, no one has actually STATED a problem of the OpenBSD website. That's because there is no problem with it. Sure, it doesn't look like the latest whizz-bang sites (I have nothing against such sites,

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-06-28, Tim Howe th...@bendtel.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:09:37 -0700 patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tim Howe th...@bendtel.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:52 +0200 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: If you guys are

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 01:19:47PM +1000, Sunnz Yiu said that On Jun 29, 2012 6:56 AM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 04:15:56PM -0400, Dave Anderson said that For dynamic content it's even simpler -- the program producing the content should

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread Eric Furman
frantisek holop is a shit eating moron who should be ignored by anyone who is not a shit eating moron... FUCK YOU holop. FUCK YOU holop. Please SHUT THE FUCK UP you stupid moron, frantisek holop. I beg all true @misc followers Search the archives for this shit eating moron's posts. He is nothing

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread Peter Laufenberg
what kind of shit are we talking about here? Scheisster baby eat my caviar turds or sinewy shrimp intestines you have to swallow wholesale lest being called a fag? Don't leave this up for interpretation or commentators unaware of Tourette syndrome tax deductions will /again/ quote out of

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Wed 27/06/12 08:32, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: I'd prefer the (small) team of developers to work on the code. Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD committers work on the code. A

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread frantisek holop
oi, fur-for-brains-man you said you will never see an email from me ever because i go directly to /dev/null. your mama's so fat you cannot even set up procmail. hmm, on Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:20:29AM -0400, Eric Furman said that frantisek holop is a shit eating moron who should be ignored

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It could very well be a dynamic application. You can experiment with css, you can experiment with nginx.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:46:12PM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: IIRC, Theo did the current design himself after everyone else failed to come up with something good. Well, Theo had some rather fun constraints, like making a web site that works with antiquated browsers, like no css. If that

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Bret Lambert
Talk ajax to me, baby. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:46:12PM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: IIRC, Theo did the current design himself after everyone else failed to come up with something good. Well, Theo had some rather fun

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Timmy L Steve
On 06/28/2012 01:26 AM, Marc Espie wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It could very well be a dynamic application. You can experiment with

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:53AM -0700, Timmy L Steve wrote: On 06/28/2012 01:26 AM, Marc Espie wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-06-28, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2012 01:17, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:  http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan11-mandoc-openbsd.html that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with browsers configured to default to utf8 in the

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:31, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:46:12PM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: IIRC, Theo did the current design himself after everyone else failed to come up with something good. Well, Theo had some rather fun constraints, like making a web site that works

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Dave Anderson
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2012-06-28, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2012 01:17, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: A http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan11-mandoc-openbsd.html that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Andres Perera
imo the issue has more to do with one page using a completely different scheme than all the others. that happens when you copy-paste massive tags at the beginning of every doc instead of using your preferred flavor of #include. you could of course go another route and try to justify it by saying

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Ted Unangst
All the stuff under papers comes from wherever. It's not really part of the website proper. Consolidating all that content into a consistent style, any style, would be great. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:00, Andres Perera wrote: imo the issue has more to do with one page using a completely

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:47:00AM -0400, Dave Anderson said that Using META is _ugly_, especially for specifying a charset (since the page will be read up through the META element using the charset specified in the real header or assumed by the browser -- and that charset could be

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Peter Laufenberg
If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It could very well be a dynamic application. You can experiment with css, you can experiment with nginx.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Tim Howe
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:52 +0200 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It could very well be a dynamic

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread patrick keshishian
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tim Howe th...@bendtel.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:52 +0200 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Tim Howe
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:09:37 -0700 patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tim Howe th...@bendtel.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:52 +0200 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Dave Anderson
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:47:00AM -0400, Dave Anderson said that Using META is _ugly_, especially for specifying a charset (since the page will be read up through the META element using the charset specified in the real header or assumed by the

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:53:04AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:52 +0200 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Dave Anderson d...@daveanderson.com wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:47:00AM -0400, Dave Anderson said that Using META is _ugly_, especially for specifying a charset (since the page will be read up through the

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 04:15:56PM -0400, Dave Anderson said that because AddDefaultCharset is a braindead concept. No, just one that needs to be applied only when appropriate. The truly braindead idea is that of partially parsing a file in order to find out what charset you should

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Other than boring, no one has actually STATED a problem of the OpenBSD website. It's not PINK enough. I want PINK everywhere. PINK PINK PINK. PINK text on a PINK background. Oh and BROWN. BROWN BROWN BROWN. Thinking about it, PINK text on a PINK background won't work will it. Grey, grey

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:46:12PM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: IIRC, Theo did the current design himself after everyone else failed to come up with something good. Well, Theo had some rather fun constraints, like making a web site that works with antiquated browsers, like no

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
frantisek holop writes: For dynamic content it's even simpler -- the program producing the content should also provide the corresponding header information. and it does so inside the head of the page. a perfectly normal and accepted practice. btw. a content-type meta tag is _mandatory_

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Sunnz Yiu
On Jun 29, 2012 6:56 AM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 04:15:56PM -0400, Dave Anderson said that For dynamic content it's even simpler -- the program producing the content should also provide the corresponding header information. and it does so inside

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Eric Furman
We are all anxiously awaiting your diffs... On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 07:52 PM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Why is not possible to apply a new css style to the current site? That has nothing to do with joomla (and similar) and would keep the site fast and compatible with, let's saylynx

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread André
ohh, just had a sleep and missed great propagated, essential improvements. No one cares 'bout design. No one wants to sell something with eyecandy. No one wants to do the work For what? Worldpeace? Annoying, bored L1nux users with limited reading selfreflection capabilities? In fact of telling

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 2012-06-26 18:46, Pablo Velasco Fernández wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? The FreeBSD website seems optimized for really

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra
Op Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:54:11 +0200 schreef Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar: On 2012-06-26 18:46, Pablo Velasco Fernández wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. (

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Manuel Giraud
Chris Cappuccio ch...@nmedia.net writes: Duh, this is OpenBSD. We use banner `ftp -o - http://www.openbsd.org/` You mean: banner `lynx -dump http://www.openbsd.org/` -- Manuel Giraud

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:30:18PM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: banner `wget http://www.openbsd.org/ -O -` That's nice, but it would be nice if someone could take some responsibility and make banner css-aware. Imagine being able to specify a cool font face with anti-aliased edges and true

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
Really? Can we do that? Seems, by this thread and previous about this subject, that nobody is waiting for any diffs regarding this - Alvaro El 27/06/2012, a las 02:12, Eric Furman escribió: We are all anxiously awaiting your diffs... On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 07:52 PM, Alvaro Mantilla

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: I'd prefer the (small) team of developers to work on the code. Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD committers work on the code.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Bret Lambert
PHP is like s early 2000s.  When's Python gonna go into base? You're behind the times; python's been replaced by ruby running on top of mongodb

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: PHP is like s early 2000s.  When's Python gonna go into base? You're behind the times; python's been replaced by ruby running on top of mongodb ah crap! Off to buy a bunch of O'Reilly books about that. I guess

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
That is a joke...right? Nothing is better than Django El 27/06/2012, a las 11:48, Bret Lambert escribió: PHP is like s early 2000s. When's Python gonna go into base? You're behind the times; python's been replaced by ruby running on top of mongodb [demime 1.01d removed an

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez alv...@alvaromantilla.com wrote: Really? Can we do that? Yes. There's no filters in place on the mailing list to prevent people from submitting diffs, but there's also no guarantee that just because you send in a diff that it'll be

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Theo de Raadt
Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is cheap. Yes, talk is unbelievably cheap. On the other hand, if whatever anyone

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread goodb0fh
No hadoop and shards? Blasphemy! Sent from my iPhone 7 beta On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez alv...@alvaromantilla.com wrote: That is a joke...right? Nothing is better than Django El 27/06/2012, a las 11:48, Bret Lambert escribi¨®: PHP is like s early 2000s.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Nick Holland
On 06/27/2012 10:19 AM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Really? Can we do that? Seems, by this thread and previous about this subject, that nobody is waiting for any diffs regarding this - Alvaro Of course, you can do anything you wish. No one is EXPECTING quality diffs, for our

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:19, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Really? Can we do that? Seems, by this thread and previous about this subject, that nobody is waiting for any diffs regarding this There's so much low hanging fruit that could be improved before somebody starts dicking about

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:48:46PM +0200, Bret Lambert wrote: PHP is like s early 2000s. ?When's Python gonna go into base? You're behind the times; python's been replaced by ruby running on top of mongodb I see each day more developers migrating their personal websites from

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:19, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Really? Can we do that? Seems, by this thread and previous about this subject, that nobody is waiting for any diffs regarding this There's so much low hanging fruit that could be improved before somebody starts dicking

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 15:11, Nick Holland wrote: Others in this thread have described what would need to be maintained in any improvement. Let me add (as I don't think it was mentioned), static pages, managed by CVS, able to be mirrored by anyone, publicly or privately. Multiple rendering

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: Here's something I think would be a *major* improvement.  Fix magicpoint to export slides in a format better than jpg. Or extend mandoc to support Comic Sans so it can be used for presentation slide decks!

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 13:53, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: Here's something I think would be a *major* improvement. Fix magicpoint to export slides in a format better than jpg. Or extend mandoc to support Comic Sans so it

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is cheap. I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated.  Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: that would be cool to presence as a bystander No te entiendo tío! pay

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread john slee
TLDR: It's not your place to tell others what they like. On 28 June 2012 07:59, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: It took me _years_ to understand and respect that graphic design isn't all that subjective, that it's a craft, with harmonic rules similar to music Maybe it does, but

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Nick Holland
On 06/27/12 17:58, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is cheap. I'm willing to indirectly

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Peter Laufenberg [open...@laufenberg.ch] wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: www.flexstudio.ch Richard is a very good friend but still your typical starving artist with

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
TLDR: It's not your place to tell others what they like. Am I? It's not about one individual likes, it's about whether your messages reaches a majority of your audience. Most of the filtering is subconscious and immune to fashion btw. On 28 June 2012 07:59, Peter Laufenberg

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM, john slee indig...@oldcorollas.org wrote: Do you think that if the reader finds reading to be optimal at a particular column width, that said reader may well adjust their browser window to suit? sorry but that's complete bs. you are essentially expecting users

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Matthew Dempsky wrote on Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 01:53:09PM -0700: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: Here's something I think would be a *major* improvement. Fix magicpoint to export slides in a format better than jpg. That's not the only thing that

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Other than boring, no one has actually STATED a problem of the OpenBSD website.  What message are we not getting across?  If there is a PROBLEM you see that makes getting its information to you difficult, please

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I agree 100%; the 1st question an artist would ask is what are you trying to accomplish? If you don't want more OpenBSD users/contributors and really the message is piss off, nothing to see here, we're fine as is, leave us alone, then the current web site as well as references to floppies and

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote: Hi, Matthew Dempsky wrote on Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 01:53:09PM -0700: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: Here's something I think would be a *major* improvement. Fix magicpoint to

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Philip Guenther
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: ... that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with browsers configured to default to utf8 in the absence of encoding qualifiers Those browsers are violating the HTTP/1.1 standard. RFC 2616,

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: ... that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with browsers configured to default to utf8 in the absence of encoding

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg [open...@laufenberg.ch] wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: www.flexstudio.ch Richard is a very good friend but still your typical starving artist with

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Kristaps Dzonsons
On 27/06/2012 22:53, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ted Unangstt...@tedunangst.com wrote: Here's something I think would be a *major* improvement. Fix magicpoint to export slides in a format better than jpg. Or extend mandoc to support Comic Sans so it can be used

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread cody chandler
On Jun 27, 2012 8:41 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: ... that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread ropers
On 28 June 2012 01:17, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:  http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan11-mandoc-openbsd.html that page is encoded iso 8859-1, doesn't state so anywhere, breaks with browsers configured to default to utf8 in the absence of encoding qualifiers $ telnet

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Andres Perera
that patch is not a solution a good solution is use m4 or another macro language (maybe cpp since apparently line-based macro languages are liked by mandoc freaks) to add an include to all pages in the www/* repository also, a commit hook that ensures that newly added or modified pages meet a

OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Pablo Velasco Fernández
Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think?

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Miod Vallat
Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? Last time I checked, you could use eyes to browse the OpenBSD website. Why do you consider it

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread patrick keshishian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? I like coconut

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
On 26 June 2012 18:46, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? Yeah, FreeBSD webpage is

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:46:36PM +0200, Pablo Velasco Fern?ndez wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? From FAQ: 8.23 - Why do

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Pablo Velasco Fernández
I mean.. A modern style. El 26/06/2012 23:55, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr escribió: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? Last time I

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? The FAQ could

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread David Romano
Miod Vallat wrote on Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:55:41PM MST: Last time I checked, you could use eyes to browse the OpenBSD website. Why do you consider it non-visual? It's non-visual because you can easily parse its HTML, without the cumbersome use of eyes. The best option, of course, it to infuse

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? I'm on freebsd

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread richardtoohey
Quoting Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com: I mean.. A modern style. El 26/06/2012 23:55, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr escribió: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Francois Pussault
From: Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com Sent: Tue Jun 26 23:46:36 CEST 2012 To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: OpenBSD's webpage desing Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: I mean.. A modern style. Honestly, because it's just not a high priority. The OpenBSD website is very information dense and its maintained by people who care a lot about the information being accurate and

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:59:28PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: If you really wanna improve that, I'd suggest reworking the same webpage, but making it possible for people with vision impairment to use it more effectively, I've been told that there are a some ways to improve it.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Luis Coronado
We could add a few facebook 'i like' buttons here and there and have a m.openbsd.org for iphones and androis (no openbsd smartphone yet). After that we could kill lynx from the tree because it will be useless. -luis On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.orgwrote: On

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: I'd prefer the (small) team of developers to work on the code. Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD committers work on the code. A handful work primarily on maintaining the website and/or documentation, because

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread richardtoohey
Quoting Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: I'd prefer the (small) team of developers to work on the code. Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD committers work on the code. A handful work primarily on

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread STeve Andre'
On 06/26/12 17:57, Pablo Velasco Fernández wrote: I mean.. A modern style. El 26/06/2012 23:55, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr escribió: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Duh, this is OpenBSD. We use banner `ftp -o - http://www.openbsd.org/` Chris Bennett [ch...@bennettconstruction.us] wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:59:28PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: If you really wanna improve that, I'd suggest reworking the same webpage, but making it

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Alexander Hall
Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:59:28PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: If you really wanna improve that, I'd suggest reworking the same webpage, but making it possible for people with vision impairment to use it more effectively, I've been

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
Why is not possible to apply a new css style to the current site? That has nothing to do with joomla (and similar) and would keep the site fast and compatible with, let's saylynx or whatever browser do you want to try with the site. I mean, for me the site is ok but a new css style could be a

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: I'd prefer the (small) team of developers to work on the code. Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD committers work on the code. A handful work primarily on maintaining the website and/or documentation,

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread STeve Andre'
If the site is OK as it is, why add more fluff? Style sheets certainly aren't blotund like Jooma is, but why go there for the site? Guess I'm a minimalist. --STeve Andre' On 06/26/12 21:52, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Why is not possible to apply a new css style to the current site? That

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web page. And its a cool page with a cool desing. Maybe OpenBSD should change their own page to a most visual web page. ( Its only my opinion ) What do you think? Hate overusing

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-26 Thread Pablo Velasco Fernández
Ok. I understand. I forgot that the webpage desing allows you to use a lightweight browsers. Thanks :) El 27/06/2012 06:17, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com escribió: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was loolong the FreeBSD web