Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-30 Thread Andrew Daugherity
I think one major reason other OSes have done '-nolisten tcp' by default is to encourage people to use X11 forwarding via ssh instead of xhost/etc, as the xhost way transmits in cleartext. Of course it can be argued that the user should be left to decide that themselves, so there's two sides to

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread black reaper
On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Well, since

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Black reaper, Thats the dumbest reply I've read till date... ~Mayuresh On 8/29/05, black reaper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. Well, since openbsd

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Vladislav Belogrudov
you can do everything with -nolisten tcp :) e.g. X11 forwarding via ssh BTW: most linux net oriented distros with security in mind have it as default. --- black reaper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it would make sence for

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Han Boetes
Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a security problem to have a bad server listening to an open port. And since nobody knows about a problem with the X server,

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Miroslav Kubik
11:32 AM Subject: Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default? Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a security problem to have a bad server

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Lars Hansson
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:53:37 +0200 Miroslav Kubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, it is better to have it disabled as default. Nothing is without bugs. So if we want most secure OS we should disable this function. If you need it. Enable it. Where are the patches to the relevant

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Vladislav Belogrudov
It reminds me approach we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem. I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference between obsd and commercial unix. PS. X11 is not a secure thing you can trust that easy ;) --- Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vladislav Belogrudov

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Tony
11:32 AM Subject: Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default? Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a security problem to have a bad server

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Han Boetes
Bollocks. Show me your exploit or shut up. Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: It reminds me approach we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem. I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference between obsd and commercial unix. PS. X11 is not a secure thing you can trust

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Bill
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:01:34 +0200 Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bollocks. Show me your exploit or shut up. Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: It reminds me approach we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem. I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. That's not security.

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with -nolisten tcp as default?

2005-08-29 Thread ober
The blind leading the blind On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Han Boetes wrote: Bollocks. Show me your exploit or shut up. Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: It reminds me approach we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem. I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference between obsd