On 23-May-2012, at 3:35 AM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com
wrote:
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:00:55PM -0400, Jiri B wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
(yet) officially part
The main difference between commercial and FOSS is you only get
security updates for the actual OS and very few new features which you
have to pay for and will break your system without spending time to go
from XP VISTA Win7 etc.. It will break if you switch hardware too.
You can't get IE 9 with
2012/5/22 Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov:
Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
package system.
Or you download it and compile it yourself, so the word must up
there is clearly
On Mon, May 21, 2012, at 06:43 PM, Richards, Toby wrote:
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
SNIP a bunch of garbage
Respectfully Submitted,
Why do trolls always sign off this way? :)
Or they open with,I don't want to start a fight, but
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 07:20:14PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x = 5.3.x?
When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 = 5.0, there was a huge issue because
it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
upgraded to 5.3.x,
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 08:45:56PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
In my experience, the MicroEvil
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 20:46 -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
With BSD I must rely on the
package system.
Funny, all this time I thought OpenBSD came with a compiler...
WMG
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From: Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: Mike Erdely; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 19:20
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On Mon, May 21, 2012, at 06:43 PM, Richards, Toby wrote:
While my question involves other
On 21.05.2012 23:55, Mehma Sarja wrote:
On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
The upgrade just works. Well... despite occasional BSOD's ;)
I admit this kind of made me chuckle:
these replies, I suppose
I've got my answer and then some.
-Toby
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From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
Weldon Goree
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:38 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, 2012-05-21
On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:59:28 -0500, Matthew Weigel uni...@idempot.net
wrote:
To be clear, they are probably different people; it just amused me.
Conspiracy Theory: He called it MicroEvil so when you Google his name and
Microsoft an OpenBSD thread doesn't show up which is not really going
@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On 21.05.2012 23:55, Mehma Sarja wrote:
On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
The upgrade just works. Well... despite occasional BSOD's
On 2012-05-22, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x = 5.3.x?
When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 = 5.0, there was a huge issue because
it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
upgraded to
On 2012-05-22, Alan Corey alan01...@gmail.com wrote:
Dump/restore can work remarkably like Symantek/Norton Ghost in this
situation. Get one machine as flawless as possible, then do a dump onto a
spare hard drive. Burn it to a DVD if you like. Then restore onto your
target machines.
I
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
to me.
I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
(yet) officially part of the release.
Does it mean something is being prepared?
If so, can that be xml based like autoyast? LOL :
jirib
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:00:55PM -0400, Jiri B wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
(yet) officially part of the release.
Does it mean something is being prepared?
If so, can that
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
to me.
I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but does it upgrade the installed packages? As far as I can
tell, it does
In freebsd you could use portupgrade or portmaster; I dont know what the
openbsd options are.
On May 21, 2012 6:48 PM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov
wrote:
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -ui
: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -
On May 21, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Mike Erdely m...@erdelynet.com wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -ui
Even more relevant:
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -ui
Even more relevant: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html
Interestingly, when I upgrade a
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
The two major commercial operating systems (considered to be evil by
the FOSS community) easily upgrade from one version to the next. That's
important in a real-life production environment. In 2001, I upgraded
200 workstations and
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From: Mike Erdely [m...@erdelynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:05 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43
Dump/restore can work remarkably like Symantek/Norton Ghost in this
situation. Get one machine as flawless as possible, then do a dump onto a
spare hard drive. Burn it to a DVD if you like. Then restore onto your
target machines.
You may have to fiddle with installboot to make the clones
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
to me.
I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
option, but
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 19:20, Richards, Toby wrote:
Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x = 5.3.x?
When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 = 5.0, there was a huge issue because
it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
upgraded to 5.3.x, but the
Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
In my experience, the MicroEvil Upgrade works without breaking
any of my web apps. The OpenBSD upgrade
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From: Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: Mike Erdely; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 19:20, Richards, Toby wrote:
Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major
Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
package system.
This is taking up a lot of ink; is this a genuine enquiry or a provocation?
Search for Extraneous entries for Visual C++ Standard hotfixes and
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
In my experience, the MicroEvil Upgrade works without
Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
package system.
That is balony.
On OpenBSD, you get PHP yourself, too.
PHP is not part of OpenBSD.
The package tree is a convenience. If you expect us
On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
The upgrade just works. Well... despite occasional BSOD's ;)
I admit this kind of made me chuckle:
Quoting Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov:
Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
Errmm, apples and oranges comparison here
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Richards, Toby
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
to me.
I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an
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