Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:11:52PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | On Wednesday 27 July 2005 04:23 pm, Paul de Weerd wrote: | On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:01PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | | 1) add the line | | umask 077 | | to .profile | | This breaks certain ports (as I found out the hard

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Moritz Grimm
Mh, I just deleted some text I wrote to 1) and 2), because most if it was already said. It boils down to personal/administrational preference and/or policy, the current defaults are just fine and logical and trivial to change. Dave Feustel wrote: Also modify adduser so that the home

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of paranoia adds nothing to security (~/.ssh and others that need it are already set to restrictive permissions), and there is no privacy from root no matter what. The rest is, again, personal preference and/or something about local policies.

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Timothy Donahue
On Thursday 28 July 2005 08:00 am, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of paranoia adds nothing to security (~/.ssh and others that need it are already set to restrictive permissions), and there is no privacy from root no matter what. The rest is,

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Moritz Grimm
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: This kind of paranoia adds nothing to security (~/.ssh and others that need it are already set to restrictive permissions), and there is no privacy from root no matter what. The rest is, again, personal preference and/or something about local policies. Ever heart of

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thursday 28 July 2005 10:09 am, Moritz Grimm wrote: And there are also still numerous ways of breaking OpenBSD inspite of sane defaults and exploit mitigation techniques in place. Is there any way I can tell whether my system has been broken as you describe?

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Moritz Grimm
Dave Feustel wrote: And there are also still numerous ways of breaking OpenBSD inspite of sane defaults and exploit mitigation techniques in place. Is there any way I can tell whether my system has been broken as you describe? This really depends ... I can't tell specifics. I mentioned this

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thursday 28 July 2005 11:24 am, Moritz Grimm wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: And there are also still numerous ways of breaking OpenBSD inspite of sane defaults and exploit mitigation techniques in place. Is there any way I can tell whether my system has been broken as you describe?

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread jimmy
Quoting Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ever heart of a multiuser system where one user shouldn't be able to acces the files of another user? Not all users are thinking about this issue and many forget to change the modes for confidential files. IMO, But keeping confidential files on

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Timothy Donahue
On Thursday 28 July 2005 12:37 pm, Dave Feustel wrote: On Thursday 28 July 2005 11:24 am, Moritz Grimm wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: And [snip] of this anecdote: A pal once had to deal with a probably-owned OpenBSD box, because his clueless co-admin installed an outdated, vulnerable MySQL

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:50:19PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ever heart of a multiuser system where one user shouldn't be able to acces the files of another user? Not all users are thinking about this issue and many forget to change the

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread jimmy
Quoting Hannah Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:50:19PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ever heart of a multiuser system where one user shouldn't be able to acces the files of another user? Not all users are thinking

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Timothy Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is fairly easy to customize since the adduser command is just a perl script. (Hint: I believe that line 1143 in 3.7 might be a good place to start looking.) I know, just wanted to say that changing it is not stupid. ;) Moritz Grimm [EMAIL

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Moritz Grimm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever heart of a multiuser system where one user shouldn't be able to acces the files of another user? Not all users are thinking about this issue and many forget to change the modes for confidential files. IMO, But keeping confidential files on true multiuser systems

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-28 Thread jimmy
Quoting Moritz Grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: shell server. Who says that the admin is any more trustworthy than some other, regular users? They are not, but most of the time they give you confidential information that you must use on that box that you use for stuff other users may not

suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-27 Thread Dave Feustel
1) add the line umask 077 to .profile 2)add the file .kshrc containing at least the line set -o vi Also modify adduser so that the home directory permissions of new users are set to drwx-- instead of drwxr-xr-x

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-27 Thread jimmy
Quoting Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) add the line umask 077 to .profile 2)add the file .kshrc containing at least the line set -o vi Also modify adduser so that the home directory permissions of new users are set to drwx-- instead of drwxr-xr-x I agree with including a

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-27 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:01PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | 1) add the line | umask 077 | to .profile This breaks certain ports (as I found out the hard way) | 2)add the file .kshrc containing at least the line | set -o vi Better to export VISUAL=vi in your .profile if that's what you

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-27 Thread Dave Feustel
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 04:23 pm, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:01PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | 1) add the line | umask 077 | to .profile This breaks certain ports (as I found out the hard way) I was wondering about that. Which ports broke? Thanks, Dave

Re: suggested /etc/skel/ modifications

2005-07-27 Thread Nick Holland
Dave Feustel wrote: 1) add the line umask 077 to .profile 2)add the file .kshrc containing at least the line set -o vi Also modify adduser so that the home directory permissions of new users are set to drwx-- instead of drwxr-xr-x OpenBSD is a general purpose OS. There are