You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,
Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
Stallman padded up one aisle in his stocking feet talking into what
looked
By using and endorsing gNewSense???
It seems you really don't read what's going on there, people working on it
more or less scream out it's an impossible mission the way it's setup now
and
the project goals are not met for the foreseeable future.
I don't read the gNewSense
Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine.
Or:
Run GNOME on a virtual machine using QEMU on Linux or **Parallels**
for **Mac** or Linux.
promoting the use of non-free software?
This is a case of running a free program on non-free platforms.
Nonetheless, I
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
check for me.
Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions
get reflected in what you say?
Absolutely. FSF
I appreciate the work that OpenBSD has done in this area.
It is an important contribution to our community.
Curious that it should take this long to obtain that admission from you.
Why do you think it took a long time?
I said it a couple of weeks ago too.
I also said it a
- vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware
- OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
hardware work out of the box
- vendor A says if a customer
That itself has problems. Do you mean home computer users? From what I
know, most large companies, including hardware vendors, and
governments uses computers as well, so they are too computer users,
thus copy hardware aren't impractical for every computer users in
general.
A
Really? All those wifi/raid/cpu/etc cards/chips out there that need
firmware, you think they're not a mix of both microcontroller code
and
other binary bits that configure an ASIC or FPGA?
I am not a hardware expert; I don't know sort of hardware the
Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL
injection vulnerabilities?
I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message.
Teaching the public about this issue is a good thing to.
However, the way you did it was predictably bad.
By publishing it,
Didn't you do that right from the start when you came
to our lists to post the wrong conclusions you draw from your
un-researched assumptions?
That is not what happened. I stated an accurate conclusion based on
recent research. I expressed it with words that were not clear.
I've
Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods?
My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method
because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too.
However, when a person tells me his OS is free, I have not always
checked. Sometimes I just took his word for it.
I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in
borrowing one from someone to make a call.
So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you how
to use it and make life easy for you will that be
1) Wrong on his part to encourage you to using
No, but when you redefine free to mean something specific, you redefine
your own language.
It's normal to develop criteria for what free means in specific
activities. Consider, for instance, free elections. Human rights
organizations and election monitors have worked out specific
Richard, should we expect a contribution to the project for the time
that you and your minions have taken from all of us?
I have no minions, and I cannot take time from you. However, if you
adopt the policy that you won't reply to my messages unless I pay you
to, you will be within
Since plants can be easily replicated, why are we buying food from farmers?
I'm not against buying software from developers (as long as it is free
software). See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.
This has been discussed many times
and it shouldn't take long for you or your minions to find out that we do
not
care about the source of firmware which doesn't load into OpenBSD.
The people who do searches for me are helpful volunteers. I can ask
them to look for something, but I
But what about the different case where the company permits
redistribution of the binary firmware, but does not release source
code. Would OpenBSD distribute the firmware in that case?
Of course and going by your description it is nothing but hardware at
that point
No,
A few computer users are in a position manufacture hardware, but
computer users in general do not have that capability. (Meanwhile,
manufacturing does not work by copying a sample; copying as such is
not doable.)
A few software users are in a position to code software..
Those quotes do not show gNewSense includes non-free software.
What's interesting is that they admit they cannot find all blobs without
truly
reading and understanding the code, they lack people for it.
They say they can't reliably find all the binary-only firmware.
Nobody's perfect.
I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only
responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to
all paragraphs.
People raise many issues in these messages. My idea of politeness
does not say I have to respond to every question that someone
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake
has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their
report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're very
badly expressing the contents of the report (which has not been made
http://torrent.gnome.org/
Would you be so kind as to tell me the precise URLs where you
found those quotes?
That is a host; I figured it would have lots of pages.
Your message today hinted that maybe you meant the front page.
So I looked there, and found them there.
In OpenBSD the recommendation for certain non-free programs
is in the recipes for installing them.
Oh, no URL?
I could ask someone to find a specific URL, but why take the trouble?
The OpenBSD developers have acknowledged that contains ports for
non-free programs. There is no
As long as this thread has been running, the only plausible reasons
I can think of for you not to repeat your claimed accurate conclusion
is either that you do not remember what this claimed accurate conclusion was
or that this claimed accurate conclusion wold now be yet another
Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and
the
FSF for OpenBSD?
If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers
should not need to argue with me that I owe them an endorsement.
Isn't this attitude more than a bit short-sighted? I certainly
understand the benefits of reserving one's resources for dealing with
issues that can happen, but many of the technology-related problems we
have today are arguably due (at least in large part) to people ignoring
But, when people use the word free, even within a particular context,
anyone would be able to understand what that person was talking about
within an acceptable level of error.
I don't think so -- that is too much to ask. In any area, the meaning
of freedom involves filling in
Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods?
My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method
because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too.
However, when a person tells me his OS is free, I have not always
checked.
So... 'ethically' the TiVo ma as well be a circuit, since users don't
usually install software on it?
Users did install software on it, and that's why Tivo tivoized it.
Should you do more then say that, maybe put a webpage encouraging open
hardware development?
I mean to write an article about the issue of free hardware designs
some day when I have some time.
You have done a pretty good job of summarizing my position.
The sex education analogy is quite clear and valid.
(I'm in favor of teaching people how to use contraception,
because I'm in favor of encouraging sex.)
Thank you for helping to explain.
In this discussion I have stuck to correcting
IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say recommend in
this context what you actually mean appears (based on the discussion
here) to be something that most people would express as not
deliberately erect barriers against.
The evidence of this discussion shows that's
But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...)
Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any
chance? :-)
Cell phone systems keep track of the location of the phone, and they
can record the information permanently. They can do this even
I wrote:
I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site
to be attacked.
You responded:
It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack.
It was neither a recommendation of OpenBSD nor an attack.
Your message did not talk about OpenBSD, but if it had,
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