[Mono-dev] Smoke test and test reports
Hi, I am doing some research on how Open Source project do testing. I was trying to find out how is automated smoke testing being done for Mono. I found the http://www.mono-project.com/Test_Suite page that points to http://mono.ximian.com/tests/displayTestResults.php but that page seem to show information from November 2005. What did I miss? I also heared that there is a continous performance testing cycle. A pointer to that would be appreciated. regards Gabor ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-list] stupid extensions (dll/exe) question
is it needed/recommended to use the standard windows extensions? i don't really understand the details,but are they used so that it is possible to move them to windows and still use them? i can kind of understand it, but it feels a little alien/different/inconvenient to have libs as dll instead of .so and so on. so what's the recommended naming practice when developing mono apps? gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] stupid extensions (dll/exe) question
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 00:34, gabor wrote: i've just realised that the subject can be interpreted differently. i meant that the question is stupid, not the extensions gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono and Patents....
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 21:23, Alex Combas wrote: *sigh* Dear Mr Troll, ok, it the flames are already burning, this won't hurt more :) Not in any way to slight _your_ career in opensource development, which I am sure is more extensive than my own, but you have just flamed Miguel who is someone everyone here knows and respects for _his_ career in opensource. yes, i also respect him very much, but he still didn't answer my (imho also andy's) question. Miguel is also a _very_ respected community leader. I cant even begin to tell you how childish your remarks about his community building skills seem. maybe you're right here, i also like very much his blog entries, but his latest mails are a little bit ...let's say not that informative as his blog entries Furthermore, one would think that you would have enough sence to at least be appreciative that he bothered to personally answer your questions at all. When he could have (and should have) been doing a zillion other things. wow, we got a mail from Miguel de Icaza PERSONALLY! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW let's all of us pray before Miguel :))) (no, i don't want to offend anyone, but words like personally anser and so on, it seems s funny to me) btw. he works/owns/whatever in/for a company which is primarily focused on mono. Andy in contrast seems to be a developer, who would like to use mono. so basically Miguel is selling something, and Andy wants (wanted, to be more precise) to buy it. so we could also look at this from the following point: Andy wasted his time asking the seller some questions about a product, and he got no answers from the seller. The seller only told him, that he doesn't understand what he is asking, so he should better learn all stuff-not-exactly-needed-for-programmers, and then...no, he won't get answers even then. i am not saying that's the correct point of view. but imho it's as good as your point of view. But no, he decided that he would personally try to asuage your fears regarding MS and Mono, and got flamed for his efforts. the same as above. Instead of flaming him (which is _exactly_ what you just did) perhaps you could have started by saying: Thanks for the info. I really appreciate your time Mr de Icaza, but Im _still_ not convinced. Is there anything more you could show me?. Eventually the magic bullet you are so desperately seeking would be found. he asked...how many times? 2x? 3x? and he always got the same answer: we-know-better-but-we-dont-give-you-any-proof-go-and-learn-about-patents-and-copyrights Unfortunately for you, flames have a funny way of burning down bridges, so I really doubt you will be getting more information from _anyone_ here. Have a nice day :) have a nice day too :))) ps. When MS is gone and you're running a Mono based GNOME desktop like the other 90% of mankind, remember that you blew up and had a hissy fit at one of GNOME's, Ximian's, and Mono's founding members. i hope you meant this as a joke :) gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono and Patents....
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 16:57, Miguel de Icaza wrote: The C# and CLI patents are available under RAND and Royalty Free terms as pointed out in the FAQ (the link to Jim's post) which you said you read a few times (it seems and you still managed to not find this). i've also read it i think twice.. and i saw the stuff abour RAND and so on. I have spoked to Jim, I have spoken to the ECMA folks. If you do not believe any of this, pick up the phone and call Microsoft's IP staff to discuss RAND and Royalty Free terms. i usually believe what people say, and i am also more believing if someone says it who already made a name in the open-source/linux world. it's not that i don't believe you spoked to Jim or to the ECMA folks. it's just that it is NOT ENOUGH imho. i imagine that i would want to persuade the management in my company about that we should switch to mono, because c# is much better than java. they would ask me: we heard that c#/dotnet was originally a microsoft product. how can we be sure that ms won't stop mono after some time? my answer: Miguel de Icaza spoke to jim and to the ECMA folks. they said it is ok. i don't think that would be enough for them. they would want to see some more solid evidence. but you can't provide any solid evidence, because there is no solid evidence imho. but there should be! please, understand, that i like mono, and i would like to use mono in the future, and all i want for mono is that the legal stuff becomes more safe. i ask again: can't suse/ximian/novell as a commercial company ask/negotiate with microsoft to produce an announcement or whatever? as i see novell is investing a lot into mono (simias and so on), so they think it will be allright. maybe they have some more formal documents from microsoft but they can't publish them? i'll say it again: if you don't want to read about mono-licensing-problems in EVERY mono review, then do something about it! and no, the faq is not good enough in that part. read it again. and no flames please, the other branch of this thread is reserved for that : gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono and Patents....
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 22:41, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, i don't think that would be enough for them. they would want to see some more solid evidence. And is was said on the O'Reilly article, and echoed on this discussion (but nobody seems to be paying attention) we are doing a legal review. The legal review is in progress, and there is not more I can say that has not been said already in public. thank you, this is the answer i was waiting for. gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono and Patents....
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 21:25, Andy Satori wrote: rant/ hmmm i understand that mono seems to be safe because for now it seems that mono helps microsoft to generate money, and also some microsoft-developer/mono-inventor/programmer/whatever said that RAND in this case means free (as in everything, be it beer or speech or whatever). am i correct? but, i would like to have/hear/see some more solid/stable/safe stuff. example: python. if i check the webpage, i know they are gpl-compatible, have a quite open development model and so on. i simply can be sure that if i use it, there will be no license problems. now: can you show me a webpage or link or whatever where Microsoft (as the company, not just one of their developers) declares, than all CLI and dot-net stuff(runtime,core-classes and xml to be specific) is free to implement for anyone? to summarize: tell me why it is IMPOSSIBLE for microsoft to hurt/stop mono development. i already heard why it is not probable. thanks, gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono and Patents....
On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 20:00, Adam Williams wrote: rant/ hmmm i understand that mono seems to be safe because for now it seems that mono helps microsoft to generate money, and also some microsoft-developer/mono-inventor/programmer/whatever said that RAND in this case means free (as in everything, be it beer or speech or whatever). am i correct? sigh/ Maybe a mono-legal-list@ should be create for this stuff. it is getting to be a very old, battered, bruised topic. does that mean thay you/mono-devel-team doesn't know the answer to my (original) question? gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] xpcom bindings?
hi, are there any mono-xpcom bindings? thanks, gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] xpcom bindings?
hi, are there any xpcom-mono bindings? thanks, gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: AW: [Mono-list] Maths
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:36, Jochen Wezel wrote: Well, I hadn't imagined that there are several rounding standards. Here in Germany I only learned to round up each something.5 to the next integer at school. Now, I've seen the bank rounding which round up and down. But what I want to do is not bank rounding but scientific rounding: always round up every .5 to the next greater integer. Does anybody know how to do that? System.Math.Round doesn't support any flags to set up the rounding standard :( hmm, i'm not a dotnet expert, but this is usually solved by adding 0.5 to it and truncating it to an integer. something like: Convert.ToInt32( x + 0.5) maybe? p.s: pay attention to negative numbers. i'm not sure what behaviour you want for negative numbers. gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] unicode trouble
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:37:45PM -0800, Chris Mullins wrote: .NET has the ability to: 1) Iterate over strings by graphemes so that regardless of encoding, developers can treat Unicode combining characters and surrogate pairs as a single entity. 2) Build and manipulate strings that consist of any currently defined Unicode CodePoint. While creating a grapheme for a CodePoint 0x is tricky, once the grapheme is properly encoded into a string, any of the standard string manipulations can be used to append it with other strings, or otherwise manipulate it. ok, so i can use some lower level stuff and basically implement utf16 (i mean the surrogates). :( but that means that the normal string handling stuff will simply be incorrect. i just can't understand why the designers of dotnet didn't look at the unicode standards. i can understand that java has this problem, but java is much older than dotnet. maybe it's because winapi uses 16-bit characters? :( thanks, gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] unicode trouble
hi, as i understand, characters in .net are 16-bit values. but what about unicode characters, that are simply above the 16-bit limit? for example: OLD ITALIC LETTER A (unicode code: 10300). how do you represent those in .net? i tried to open a textfile containing this old-italic-a: - the length and indexing methods of string all said that old-italic-a is actually 2 letters = it doesn't work - when writing the string back to an utf8 encoded textfile, then it was correctly written. so for me it seems that dotnet (mono) uses utf16 as internal encoding format, but indexing (and length) doesn't use that information. am i correct? are there any ways to handle those characters in dotnet? for example the new java-1.5 contains some new string-methods that can handle these characters. it's not perfect in java, but at least there is something. if someone wants to play with it, i attached a text file containing the text marrakesh, encoded in utf8, where i replaced the first a with old-italic-a (it's easy to do with a little iconv to-from ucs4 and hexedit) thanks, gabor farkas mĖrrakesh
Re: [Mono-list] Support for calling C# code from Python code ?
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:08, Manish Gupta wrote: Hi, I am into my early phase of understanding Mono environment. On Mono home page I was able to find the way to call C# code from C code. But could not locate a way to call C# code from Python. Did I miss out something? If not, is there any plan to support this? you can try to: -create some wrapper C code, which calls c# code -call the C-wrapper-code from python :) imho there is no direct binding between python-c#, but i can be wrong gabor ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] HP-PA support
The FAQ page (Q 109) says that Mono is running on HP-UX and that there is an interpreter for HP-PA. Checking Monos source tree, I couldnt find anything in mono/arch that would support PARISC. Am I looking at the right place? I thought Id setup a J7000 for .NET a.i. combine the reliable with the modern but for me to provide the support to generate the assembly would require more time I have. Great job btw! Thanks, -Gablen
