Hi Jan and John,
I like the analogy of a bubble rising in a tank. We are such a bubble
temporarily aware of the water which encases us. From air to air. The
globular nature of matter is indeed something ever-present. No reason not
to use this for Quality. Bangs come an go, what is the
Hi dmb,
A comment following the paragraphs below.
Mark
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:43 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote:
This grooving mechanic doesn't get to ignore the demands of all those
precision parts. Caring is going to include a respect for their purpose and
function of
Hi Ham,
No new insights from this side, just some doodling with words below.
Mark
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
[Ham]
For a beginning this is an excellent interpretation. I especially like
the negation presents as differentiation postulate as you've
Hi Andre,
My point was that SOM is not a stuck screw with its slot torn. It is the
screwdriver that is being used to remove the defective screw, it won't work.
As such, dmb's analogy was incomplete. We do not need to drill SOM out,
that would be impossible. It is just the wrong tool for some
Hi JA,
Yes, a million analogies, I have no problem with that. I present many all
the time. They are just pictures of an elephant from different
perspectives. You are choosing one from the archives of physics and
information theory, blending as it were. We could say that information is
energy
Hi Jan,
I once saw a movie about your friends in the marshes. It was called
Deliverance. There was a lot of happiness in that movie. At least 7 ways
'till Sunday.
Mark
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jan-Anders janander...@telia.com wrote:
My friends in the marshes of Mississippi told me
Hi JA,
Yes everything that we post is an abstract division. That is the whole
point of MOQ.
Mark
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jan-Anders janander...@telia.com wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV6Wh-KX3bY
Round things are boring, but when they aren't...
anyway, the MOQ is
Hi Matt,
For me an indirect experience would be one that one heard of, or one of
living vicariously. The mental experience would be direct, but the physical
experience would be indirect. In a way, we indirectly understand exactly
what someone is expressing as their experience, because we cannot
Hi Marsha,
I wouldn't say that Buddhism and Science have different goals. Both attempt
at providing a meaningful understanding. Science is easier to share than
Buddhism, but it is more objective.
What is interesting with both disciplines is the use of words for ownership.
A while ago I
Hi dmb,
There is a lot of pointing with little substance in your essay below. I
will address part of it for further discussion to help promote MOQ away from
SOM.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:53 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote:
[dmb]
In ZAMM [Pirsig] he says, in scientific
Hi John,
Neo-Hegelian sounds cool to me. I do respect Hegel as a brilliant man. So
long as it is not neo-conservative... Maybe I'll look it up.
I don't know if it is verboten. We all speak of sensing dynamic quality.
The question is, where does that occur? If our wordy consciousness is
Hi Marsha,
I think you are being a little confusing. Your terms seem to contradict. I
know you understand what you are talking about, but the expression leaves on
mystified. Some comments below on your reply to Tim.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:17 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
[Tim]
THe
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Mark,
Pardon for the interruption, but I have been considering how one is
encouraged to turn intellectualizing about Quality into the direct
experience of Quality.
Marsha
[Mark]
Hi Marsha,
Good question. For me, the first
Hi JA,
Your three types works for me up to a point, except the event part. It
would seem to define Quality by its result. For me, Quality comes in before
the result. Perhaps you are using the mechanic as the quality event, I get
this, as an analogy. I like the analogy of tool type and amount.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Arlo]
Precisely. This was my other question, if S/O is endemic of the
Intellectual level, then by definition an S/O pattern would have to run
society. If not S/O science, then S/O what? And how would that be BETTER?
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for the view below. I would have to say, that the intellectual level
has a dynamic component to it. Even the static concepts as you put, are
dynamic. As you state, the manipulation of these symbols can be seen as a
static process, but I think there is more to it than that. As
Hi Marsha,
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Mark,
I understand. Buddhism offers rationality AND meditation to understand
and experience for yourself. I believe what you are pointing to is that
Buddhism is empty, Emptiness is empty. Buddhism, in its
Hi John,
Nope, don't get it. But I do get Ham, kinda. It would seem that you are
working along the lines of cause and effect, or which came first?. This
of course is a paradox without much resolution. Even the Buddhist notion of
co-arising leads to a similar logical question. I distinguish
...@att.net wrote:
Mark,
DQ is sq, sq is DQ.
Marsha
On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:53 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for the view below. I would have to say, that the intellectual
level
has a dynamic component to it. Even the static concepts as you put, are
dynamic. As you state
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Marsha:
Of course intellectualizing about Quality is a direct experience with
static
value. A direct experience without static value is also possible.
[Mark]
I would have to disagree with you here. There is nothing static
Hi Marsha,
Me again.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:34 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Marsha]
Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns
process from a subject/object conceptual
framework creating false boundaries that
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:53 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
[Mark]
I know you are trying to press a point here Marsha, but as you describe
it,
we could not function. We tie things together, we have to. Such tying
is
real, it's what we do.
Marsha:
We? What is the we but a
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark before]
I would have to say that S/O is the product of reflection. This is where
the
intellectual level in its static form comes in. That is, rules of
governance.
In its dynamic form, it is free from S/O.
in another philosophy). This does not diminish the concept of
levels, it provides a slightly different paradigm perhaps.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Hi Mark
This one caught my eye in your response to Arlo.
On 02/12/2010 04:31, 118 wrote:
[Mark
effect , and by this tidal
precence,the
moon stays in the range of observable reality,indirect , but not lesser.
Takes away the mysticism, keeping the reality,pragmatism,radikal empiricism
greetz, Adrie
2010/12/2 118 ununocti...@gmail.com
Hi Marsha,
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Hi Marsha,
No, the memories are dynamic, unique, real time. As you rightly state, the
words are static. This gives the illusion of staticness in memories. The
point is the sense of continuity from one to the other. It is part of
learning. Even with words, our awareness of their personal
Hi Arlo,
Furthering our discussion. I have also posted a response to Horse on your
previous question. Discussion on level static restrictions is omitted from
this post. More below.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark before]
Dogma is dangerous
with each telling.
Marsha
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:49 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
No, the memories are dynamic, unique, real time. As you rightly state,
the
words are static. This gives the illusion of staticness in memories.
The
point is the sense of continuity from one to the other
Hi Tim,
It is easier to use a megaphone than a telephone. Find those who encourage
discussion along the lines you are interested. Don't get caught up
expecting resolution from everything. This is meant to promote your own
thinking (in my opinion).
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:26 AM,
Hi Adrie,
Good comments! You are the man! This is a superb assessment of
the assessment. Keep up the good work, you are immortalized in this forum
with your skillful handling of the material and teaching a wide range of
what Quality is all about with your post. I can't thank you enough. I am
Hi dmb,
Thank you for your response.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote:
Mark said:
... A concept can be seen as a static framework. It is a useful tool to
encourage discussion, but must remain dynamic.
dmb says:
No. Marsha makes this move too
Hi Craig,
OK, I stand corrected.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:47 AM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Mark]
what is termed a static social pattern should never dominate a dynamic
biological pattern.
IMHO in the MoQ there are not static patterns dynamic patterns.
Static quality is
Hi Marsha,
Yeah, interesting. Arsenic is similar to phosphorous, but obviously not as
well suited to the evolution of life. It is always nice to see the
platypuses of science. People become amazed because they are so entrench in
a certain way of thinking, that they see it as some kind of
Hi dmb,
Are you kidding me? How many academic professionals do you know? You
are operating in a dream world, dmb. I don't even feel like setting you
straight. I suppose if you agree with the way academics is going, then you
are part of the problem. Do you think continuing tenure is based on
I see, dmb. Everybody who disagrees with you is a crackpot. Well, so
much for academic freedom. Like I said, you are part of the problem.
Go work for Wiki, they need you. At least then you can post whatever
you want without any retractions. Wiki's bias seems to fit you to a
tee. I heard that
Hmmm, no. But I have at least held jobs. Sure beats doing what you
are doing. Who is supporting you now? I can't believe that someone
who has never held a real job is taking a position here. Go get your
next handout, dude.
You sir, are a good example of the problem with the world today
On
Hi Arlo,
Well, I am not much a fan of talk radio, don't have the time really.
The example I will present is Darwinism. Please tell me how this has
changed over the last 100 years. I can deal with the sciences.
Please be factual and not just dismissive as dmb. I find that
unbecoming and
Hi Arlo,
Just sent off a post to answer your last question.
I am fully familiar with the paper mill that academia forces on
professors. It is the number of publications that matter, not the
quality. Talks and seminars is part of a static network, kind of a
back scratching exercise. The
I meant dismissive like dmb. I am from Valis as described by P. Dick.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ian Glendinning
ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
Arlo dismissive of DMB ?
What planet you on Mark ?
Ian
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Arlo
I liked the part about the Big Bank Theory. Creation out of nothing.
Sounds like the Federal Reserve.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:26 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
Here they are referring implicitly to Eisteins so called biggest
mistake, the cosmological constant.
It's
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi John,
Nope, don't get it. But I do get Ham, kinda.
Takes all kinds, I guess.
And I hope you know me well enough by now, Mark
Hi Arlo,
Some comments below. I did not shorten the post so I hope this gets through.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark]
The example I will present is Darwinism. Please tell me how this has changed
over the last 100 years... and this concept of
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:08 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
Part II
[Mark]
Government funding of all literature and the removal of for profit publishers.
[Arlo]
You caught me completely off-guard with this one, you commie bastard. But I am
not sure what literature you mean,
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:16 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Arlo said to Mark:
As I said, I could easily fill many posts with examples of how disciplines
have evolved over time within the Academy. I am hard-pressed to find a single
one that has remained unchanged by new
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:39 PM, rapsnc...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi Tim,
When I am busy, I look for the posts that say Hi Mark, or something
like that. On gmail I can only see about the first 6 words.
Sometimes when I have more time I go back and look at others, but I
have lots of unread email in
Scientists discover new life ?!?! WTF gimme strength. (and no
dmb, like Wittgenstein, I do not expect you to understand, but I still
love you, man.)
[Mark]
I think life is overrated. So it moves around, so what? Mountains do
move, but ever so slowly.
Mark
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Hi Tim,
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:53 PM, rapsnc...@fastmail.fm wrote:
[Tim]
the thing is, self-promotion in a vacuum is meaningless and valueless.
I would rather pursue ignorance if it were only for myself. I promote
my thinking mainly because I have expectations of social interaction.
Hi dmb,
I agree with what you said for the most part, below. My experience of
the Ph.D. program was that it was intended to develop critical
thinking. This seems to be what I was tested on mainly in the end. I
got a patent out of my Ph.D. (Biotechnology has its perks in terms of
being very
Hi Marsha,
Physics is interesting isn't it? I love the metaphysical aspects. I
think (in my naivete) that constants such a Plank's are more a result
of the math, than the reality (whatever that is). These constants
seem to fall out when we are equating things that are of different
dimensional
Hi JA,
Yes, I am with you on the cross-talk. Both are math descriptions of
reality, so both are creations. Are the Picasso nudes better than the
Renoir ones? Can we somehow combine the Picasso with the Renoir to
create a unifying nude theory?
I used to see Zappa in concert. Every concert was
Hi Horse,
Let me first say that you chose rape and murder to expand on the
levels. I will try to keep the discussion within this framework.
However, the use of such examples is one of hyperbole, and tends to be
more emotional than rational. But let's stick to logic. I will
address your points
Hi Craig,
If what you say is true, then where does the biological/inorganic
break occur? It would seem from your assessment that a bacteria would
be inorganic. Please explain the difference between a house and a
congress. No need to bring Pirsig in, this can be your personal
stand. It is
Hi Arlo,
This is a tricky slope you are on. My contention is that rape is a
social construct, you agree with this. Rape does not exist at the
biological level, so there is nothing to control there. You propose
that to rape is a biological urge. I would say, that this is a social
urge. It is
Hi Arlo,
Thanks for your replies. I will take out the University improvement
stuff, since this was just in answer to a question of yours. They
were just ideas off the top of my head, and I am not sure how much I
can (or want to) defend them. The overall concept was one of a
balance between
Hi Arlo,
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:30 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark before]
This is a tricky slope you are on. My contention is that rape is a social
construct, you agree with this. Rape does not exist at the biological level,
so there is nothing to control there. You
Hi Horse,
Rape and murder are only biological acts as seen from the intellectual
level. This is an artificial analogy. We cannot claim truth within
that paradigm. It is impossible to point towards the biological for
an intellectual concept, they are at different levels. This is what I
am
Hi Platt,
Thanks for the post. I comment below.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:13 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
There has been little written on the process of natural selection
itself, except that it may be somewhat
Hi Adrie, JA, Marsha
Thanks for the flash. That was a good tutorial. Interesting that it
is called facts of the universe. It kind of puts into perspective
what we call facts. These considered as Truth, which as we know are
just analogies. As Marsha states, these are explanations, which is
Hi Platt,
Sorry to intrude.
A while back I presented an analogy of harmonics for MOQ. Music fits
well into this paradigm, as does everything else that I can think of.
This was a couple of years ago when I was attempting to introduce new
concepts. Levels can be seen a harmonic intervals. I'm
it... :-)
On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:21 PM, John Carl wrote:
Mark,
I'm laughing and crying my ass off, at the same time.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
I liked the part about the Big Bank Theory. Creation out of nothing.
Sounds like the Federal Reserve.
John
Hi Tim and Arlo,
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:22 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Tim]
But, the academy, and the entire educational system, is a social structure, so
you cannot expect any revolutionary change to come from the inside.
As it turns out, evolutionary jumps come from the
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:23 PM, 118 wrote:
I hear
now that there are many more stars in the universe than we thought.
Of course that number can be increased forever too. It is part of the
creative process. What a wonder
Hi Arlo,
Nifty eye catching title! I will try to participate without getting too
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark before]
I can see that we are at an impasse here. What I am suggesting is to look at
things through the view of Quality, not
118 ununocti...@gmail.com
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:23 PM, 118 wrote:
I hear
now that there are many more stars in the universe than we thought.
Of course that number can be increased forever too. It is part of the
creative
Hi Adrie,
Inside of what?
Mark
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
Mostly sarcasm is a form of selfreflection .Lila is a form of sarcasm.
The mirror is a sarcastic mirror.
Look in the mirror,_ ask yourself, ...Do i have Quality?...and answer
the
Hi Arlo,
Some further discussion below.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark]
Yes you do. You state that rape law is meant to control the biological. I am
discussing this with you in a respective manner.
[Arlo]
No I did not. I said, again, rape
Hi Horse,
This is getting long, but it is probably near an impasse.
We obviously disagree on some pretty fundamentals of MOQ. You state
that according to the dictates of the MOQ, such and such...and that I
am MOQ incorrect. I am not sure what I am to do with this, so I will
gloss over it and
Hi Arlo,
It would appear that you delete the parts that you do not want to deal
with. So I will keep this short. We can leave it at that if you do
not want to respond. I would appreciate it if you do not delete
anything if you do respond, it just confuses everyone else, and is
quite deceptive.
, 2010 at 1:28 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:15 AM, 118 wrote:
A better question would be: What is similar between all the divisions
in levels? What is the specific criteria which divides them, not each
one, but in general?
Hi Mark,
This would be an interesting
Hi Arlo,
I believe that dmb stated that Pirsig had a hard time convincing the
Real philosophers (sarcasm intended) to accept MOQ as a discipline.
So I would say, hypothetically, yes, to your question. He would have
to teach dialectics.
Mark
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER
Hi Arlo,
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark]
So I would say, hypothetically, yes, to your question. He would have to teach
dialectics.
[Arlo]
Let me make sure I understand.
Are you saying that in the real world Pirsig would be forced to teach
[Arlo]
such a tendency in academia MUST be due to brainwashing
[Mark]
Arlo, why do you consider academia to be brainwashing?
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Hi Marsha,
Yeah, James was pretty smart until he got into psychology. Then he
just became another hack. What a waste.
Mark
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Buddhism planted the seeds in James:
James's biography clearly states he had read and reread
Upanishad
Hi Ham,
Just a comment from my perspective below.
Mark
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
What human behavior is not an act of a biological nature? Cannibalism is
a biological act. Robbing a bank is a biological act. Even legislating
laws against rape
wrote:
Mark,
I'm not sure what you mean. My point was the influence of Eastern
thought. James seems to have been open to new ideas and quite
dynamic.
Marsha
On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:53 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Yeah, James was pretty smart until he got into psychology. Then he
just
me dizzy, like trying to
explain watching patterns flow through consciousness or having
an unpatterned experience. If a new level would play by
different rules, then ???. I have more questions than answers.
Marsha
On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:36 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
I am fine with your
Hi John,
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Arlo, Mark,
Sex is social. The sexual urge is biological, I'll grant you. Nocturnal
emission or masturbation is biological, I'll grant you. But sex takes two
and occurs through a complex of social
Hi Horse,
I am not sure if compartmentalizing each of our views into a category
is useful or even relevant. If you want to create an MOQ school and
an anti-MOQ school, then I would have to say that I belong to the MOQ
and you are anti-MOQ. You have created an intellectual structure that
you
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:54 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Mark,
I'm not sure I can FULLY comprehend anything, let alone
consciousness. I can watch bits and pieces of pattern
pass through, and that demonstrates what they are not.
Marsha
On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:48 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi
Hi dmb,
It sounds to me like you are putting Quality in some kind of Truth
category. How do you get around that with your interpretation of
Quality? These distinctions are man-made, where does the truth come
from?
Mark
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:12 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com
Hi Horse,
I appreciate your taking the time to discuss this with me. I have
provided some clarifications below.
Mark
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Hi Mark
On 05/12/2010 19:00, 118 wrote:
[Mark previously]
I am not sure if compartmentalizing each of our
Hi Marsha,
In my opinion, there is no ultimate truth in MOQ, there is Quality.
Mark
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:27 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
And that is why it is said, I suppose, and it seems to me,
the way to approach the Ultimate Truth is by discovering
what is false.
On Dec 5,
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Mark said:
It sounds to me like you are putting Quality in some kind of Truth category.
How do you get around that with your interpretation of Quality? These
distinctions are man-made, where does the truth come
Hi Ham,
Thanks for your response. I have further discussion below.
Mark
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Mark --
In my opinion, the concept of morality in humans is an expression
(or extension) of a more profound Morality. We certainly express
Hi John,
It would seem to me that you are pointing to the creative process of
the human mind. We create something intellectual, then we try to
encapsulate it as some kind of truth. We have to create a truth in
order to do this. This, we emphasize, is actually something more than
a creation. I
Hi Marsha,
Thanks for starting this.
Yes, Nietzsche was an interesting guy, I used to read a lot of his
stuff many years ago. Of course he did go crazy, which I guess
happens to the best of us... There is a notion that Nietzsche was an
athiest, but I think this is the wrong interpretation. He
. The Buddhist emphasis on a strategy to end suffering by
seeing things as they really are and developing compassion
would be the better approach. Nursing the ego is not?
On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:50 AM, 118 wrote:
Yes, there are happy drugs of course. But this whole notion of
creating
Hi Marsha,
Yes, I like your story, thanks. I like the notion of the higher
levels serving the lower levels. This is more in tune with the way I
see it as opposed to controlling the levels below. In order to climb
outside the structure, one must first create a structure outside. If
one climbs
Hi Arlo, Platt,
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Platt]
In order to climb outside the structure, one must first create a structure
outside.
Precisely why the MOQ structure must be outside its own intellectual level
structure..
Bo's SOL is right.
Hi dmb,
A question for my clarification below.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:17 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Steve said to dmb:
Platonism... is something that we have to make a continual effort to avoid if
we wish to stay clear of it. While direct experience and primary
Hi John,
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:28 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
dmb says:
If all conceptualizations were reifications and if everybody does it, then
reification is just another word for conceptualization. If reified concepts
include any and all concepts, then the word
Hi Arlo,
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Mark]
I don't think we need to see it as an endless paradox. We can assume both
structures are looking at each other.
[Arlo]
I assume here you mean a MOQ and SOL are structures looking at each other.
Are there
Hi Marsha,
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:32 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
There is a relationship between the MoQ and Buddhism, and I do not
think my pursuing it poses any threat to the MoQ. As RMP has clearly
stated, the MoQ is not confined within any one philosophic tradition.
The last
...@att.net wrote:
HI Mark,
Am I sounding like a religious zealot?
Marsha
On Dec 6, 2010, at 11:02 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:32 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
There is a relationship between the MoQ and Buddhism, and I do not
think my pursuing it poses
Hi All,
I missed a lot of the discourse with Bo as I was on sabbatical from
this forum. However I did review some of the posts during that time,
not nearly all of them of course. I would have to agree with Horse
here. If that makes me disagree with Bo, I don't know.
MOQ seems to be expressed
posts per day so I'll not say more...
Marsha
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi All,
I missed a lot of the discourse with Bo as I was on sabbatical from
this forum. However I did review some of the posts during that time,
not nearly all of them of course. I would have to agree
Hi John,
Yeah, rhetoric 1 : dialectic 0! We'll show those snotty MOQers.
Mark
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Now this, Marsha, makes a great deal of sense to me, placing chaos as a
necessary element of reality, without making it reality's value.
an
Hi John.
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:50 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
7) Are you praying or trying to find favor with your maker?
Trick question. I pray, but its to thank my maker for all the favor he's
shown me. The maker's favor isn't something I strive for, it's something
Hi Marsha,
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:55 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:34 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Can you appreciate the sun on your face without thinking there is sun
on your face? I think you can. You find it pleasing in an
intellectual way without any
Hi Marsha,
What you posted below reminded my of something from the Equations of Maya:
http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html
What do the Vedantins mean by maya? First, we know from the
Upanishads (4) that it is made of three gunas: tamas, rajas, and
sattva. Tamas has its veiling
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