Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread Andi Norby
Rasheed, I would disagree with your statement that looking for a way to 'permanently experience DQ' contradicts the idea of DQ. Perhaps I'm wrong here, I'm just working this idea, but instinctively I would say that although living entirely on the edge of DQ would be completely fruitless, the

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread Elizaphanian
Jonathan wrote: Marco, in energetic terms, closed means that their is no input our output of energy. There is no reason the system can't go on expanding in space. What I would like to find out is *why* it is considered that there is no input of energy; or, to be more precise, why such a

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread marco
Hi Jonathan, many thanks for your adjustments on my post. Hope you forgive my naiveness. You are touching on something that I haven't yet addressed in a previous post, and now force me to reveal a key physical point in my proposed essay: Entropy HAS no upper limit - it just goes on

RE: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread Stephen Devlin
even if entropy has no upper limit, isn't there a point where it will have increased sufficiently to have extinguished life, admittedly the universe will continue on but thats small comfort to a one sun solar system if life as we know it dies out.Dynamic Quality is evolution and the threat of

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread Jonathan B. Marder
Hi Sam and all, What I love about this forum is that everything gets questioned, and I find myself repeatedly called upon to reconsider and clarify my position, often with unexpected rewards. Jonathan wrote: Marco, in energetic terms, closed means that their is no input our output of

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread Platt Holden
Hi Jonathan, Elephant, Roger, Glenn and All: Jonathan, I reread your essay *The End of Causality* in searching for an answer to my question how novel qualities arise from the rearrangement of elements that in themselves lack these qualities. In doing so I was reminded that your answer is that

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread John Beasley
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Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread HisSheedness
Andi, The music example is in chapter 9 of Lila, p 134-5. It's a good thing i mark my book with rubber bands and arby's mints. as for what you said, i think i may have been a little unclear with my assertion. First of all, i do believe that the idea of DQ is always there, waiting to be

Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-06-26 Thread John Beasley
Stephen and others discussing 'the void'. If you are interested in following this topic further, you might try to obtain The Void by A. H. Almaas (the pen name for Hameed Ali). This is a rather challenging book if you are not used to a mystic point of view, but its interest to Pirsig fans is

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-26 Thread Wim Nusselder
Dear Glen, I don't mind to agree to disagree with you on the value of drug use. I have no strong opinions on it and wouldn't even mind much to call a retreat if someone explained to me that drug use is essential to create certain higher-level-valuable phenomena, of which psychedelic

Re: MD Relations between levels

2001-06-26 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone From: Wim Nusselder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD Relations between levels Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:16:19 +0200 Dear Dan, I renamed the subject, but this is a reply to your 20/6 11:24 -0500 posting in the True Libertarians

Re: MD A fifth quality level?

2001-06-26 Thread SQUONKSTAIL
Hello All! And thank you for the Bohm quote. I like Bohm. I am not such a big fan of the, 'Multiverse' view of quantum mechanics. However, here is a challenge from David Deutsch: To predict that future quantum computers, made to a given specification, will work in the ways I have described,

RE: MD mescaline

2001-06-26 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Gerhard, Clarke and all, Gerhard, I quite agree with you that music is definitely a static pattern of quality, no no danger there. I wonder though if psychedelic music would have been invented without the use of pschyedelic substances? Perhaps but perhaps not. I think this underscores my

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-06-26 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Marco and all, Marco wrote: 3. Free trade This supposed free trade is not free at all in the third world, where capitalist firms (not only American, of course) still persevere to act immorally toward the local populations and environments. It's cynical to say that it's fault of the Nigerian