Since only those working directly with Mozilla have mozilla.org
addresses, I wish there was like a mozillamail.org for moz lovers
like me. If it's too long, mozmail.org would be fine. I would be
contented with a forwarding address.
Mpt uses an mozilla.org.uk address.
I unsubscribed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from every list on the page
mentioned in the email
Well done, sir :-)
Gerv
It lacks a section: How to find bugs that can be safely taken. E.g.
from other parts of the mozilla.org's homepage (the QA section) I had
come under the impression that the help-wanted bugs was free --- and
this was not the case :-( My ears are still burning... my apologies, yet
again,
So in the case of 5693, the mozilla1.0+ keyword means that it really
should be in 1.0, but the nsbeta1- keyword means that the netscape.com
people don't have time to fix it, and the target milstone of
mozilla1.2beta is when it will probably end up being fixed if no one
volunteers to do
The only difference is the Gecko.
That is, unfortunately, an illusion. It's the same Gecko. That date
refers to the build date, and not the branch date.
We are currently in the last stages of changing the User Agent standard
to eliminate this problem.
Gerv
There is no world-wide standard.
That's not quite true - 2002-03-14 is ISO date format (one of the ISO
standards.)
Gerv
You can't mandate a religon AND be a democracy.
If you say that a Christian country is one where Christianity is
mandated, then your definition of a Christian democracy is
self-contradictory.
As a Christian, I would argue that any country where Christianity (or
any religion) is compulsory
What about, for example, Bug 5693. It has the mozilla1.0+ keyword, but
it also has the nsbeta1- keyword, and a target milestone of
mozilla1.2alpha. Does that mean this is not going to make it into 1.0,
desite the mozilla1.0+ keyword?
mozilla1.0+ means [EMAIL PROTECTED] have it on their
We hope that Mozilla coders, from all areas of the community, will
concentrate on 1.0+ bugs (this means you, dear reader), but we can't
easily force them to do so.
Where do we sign up? :o)
Search Bugzilla for 1.0+ bugs and see if there's any you are able to
fix. It's that easy :-)
Gerv
after you have bought the copy for your mom, would you let me ask her how
good is it?
I think I'll keep you well away from my mum, thanks :-)
Gerv
Kenneth Pardue wrote:
You mentioned buy a copy for my mum, does that mean that this is strictly
designed for the simple of mind users?
Is your Mum simple of mind? Mine isn't.
But it's a metaphor. I've just bought a copy because a) I want to play
with it and b) I want to support a company
I'm thinking about getting it, but I have a few questions. This is as close
as I can tell to an OEOne newsgroup, and I appologize beforehand if my
questions are unwanted here.
They aren't unwanted; but [EMAIL PROTECTED] can probably provide better
answer.
5. Since it's built on Mozilla,
blackbox wrote:
May i see their work?, not their work for mozilla, their independent work.
If you mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] , he'll be happy to show you samples of
his work. He's the highest profile UI person who doesn't work for Netscape.
Lori Kaplan, Netscape's UI lead, as worked on several
blackbox wrote:
Read this:
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback/read.php?f=1i=1235t=1188
This article, while lucid, is basically wrong-headed.
My mum is a teacher. I want my mum to use mozilla.
We don't want your Mum to use Mozilla. We'd like your Mum to use
Netscape 6.2.1, or Beonex
blackbox wrote:
Are you a human ...gerv?
Yes - and a Christian. God is the ultimate hacker - just look at the
code reuse in DNA.
Gerv
Bamm Gabriana wrote:
Is there a list of bugs which developers consider must-fix for 1.0?
A tracking bug perhaps?
Will this be strictly followed? Or are there plans to go on with the
release of 1.0 even if some of these bugs aren't fixed?
Query for bugs with the mozilla1.0+ keyword; the
Correct. But don't expect me creating publicly available publishing
site with such functionality. For about year there are rumours Gecko2
will replace current one once Mozilla 1.0 is shipped so I simply don't
border with these things.
That's absolutely definitely not true. There is no
They has told me this:
please stop wasting our time
Please tell me the bug number where someone told you this, and I will
investigate.
even when i have taken the time to review the options in the menus for
suggest a reorder of them; and build/draw some screenshots about a toolbar
¿'HOW MANY' Designers, Graphic Designers, or Architects, or people related
with the visual arts, are right now working 'WITH' the programers building
and 'DESIGNING' the User Interface?
Very approximately - ten.
Gerv
blackbox wrote:
¿Who here knows what was the first standard in the human history?
For compatibility with the Garden of Eden, and a full relationship with
Me, humans MUST NOT (RFC 2119) eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of
Good and Evil -- God, paraphrased, Genesis 3.
Gerv
mozilla.org is looking for help with the following tasks for Mozilla 1.0:
- Tech Evangelism.
There is an near-infinite amount of work that needs to be done in
telling sites that their HTML is broken, and politely suggesting fixes.
The team currently has a large number of bugs on its plate. The
wrong newsgroup
wrong topic
too much bla bla text
bye bye ... :(
Peter, if you can't be polite, please don't say anything. The fact that
this newsgroup still has netscape in the name means that it's
reasonable for people to come in here and ask Netscape questions, just
as it is
Maybe mirror the patchmaker homepage
I'd appreciate it if people didn't do that :-)
- see if you can make
it even easier to use patchmaker with beonex than with mozilla[1]. Of
He'll have a job, as I'm working hard at making it as easy to use as
possible with Mozilla ;-)
Gerv
I'm though not willing to give away detailed information about my
present computer; type of processor, speed, the software I'm using, what
printer I have etc. and so on. This has nothing to do with the behaviour
of Mozilla during crashes.
How do you know? :-) If this were the case, then
mozilla.org is looking for help with the following tasks for Mozilla 1.0:
- Tech Evangelism.
There is an near-infinite amount of work that needs to be done in
telling sites that their HTML is broken, and politely suggesting fixes.
The team currently has a large number of bugs on its plate. The
Not and AOL member and want to test it. Join AOL (45 days free). Go to
Keyword beta and join the beta test. I am using it right now and it
works real well. No one will notice the difference .. that i a good
thing. AOLers don't care if the browser is IE based or not but the
repercusions
Patch Maker 2.0pre2 has been released; get it from:
http://www.gerv.net/software/patch-maker/
Patch Maker is a Perl script for managing patches. It has two separate
but related functions - it can work in one of two modes.
In Build mode, which is Mozilla-specific, you can make patches to
Um, this isn't like the US is saying Ok, Italy you can't have this
software. Look at the countries that are banned. Geez
Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?
I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate
against an individual based
But Netscape 6.2.1 works perfectly well with touchpad's virtual scrolling.
Again, this is only dimly remembered, but I _think_ they implemented a
hack to have an invisible native scrollbar for the driver to recognise.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the man to ask about these things.
Gerv
Someone brought up a point, why doesn't Mozilla simply put the latest
version of the java file in the plugin directory during installation?
Well, this might be due to licensing issues...
And, of course, Mozilla is not meant for end users. It's a vendor's job
to package plugins with the
countries, then that person either should leave that country or live
with the consequences of staying there.
You suppose the leaving is permitted, or even feasible. If the US
started threatening, say, Iraq, would you leave?
Gerv
Not:
Mozilla frigging sucks. Every page I go to loads slow as donkey
testicles and I hate the thing.
Does anyone have those donkey testicle comparative performance metrics
we were promised some time back? I think Mozilla might beat them after
the recent changes...
Gerv
I don't like the way Moz works at all with dual screens, none of the menus
work correctly when opening a window in the second display :~( WinXtra
pathetic pro!
File a bug, then :-)
Gerv
It is. The only way to avoid installing it is to use RPMs and not
install the PSM RPM.
OK, so this isn't true...
Also, in recent builds, there is a sensible error
message when you try and access a secure site.
...but this should be.
Gerv
Also when it gives the pop up menu saying so-in-so has new messages,
it seems to be tied to the account name. Wouldn't it be more prudent to
make this the display name for the account, or even better, let the user
choose his or her name?
File a bug on this one, certainly (and your other
Lancer Charade wrote:
TOO LARGE TO BE READ, FORGET IT
If you don't want to read it, you don't have to - but do however many
hundred people have to be informed of this feeling?
Gerv
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been getting a lot of questions about Mozilla lately from my
computer user group. I use it on my machine with is the one usually
hooked up to the projector for our meetings. They seem to think it's
IE with a skin. I would like to do a full on 20 min talk
How nice. I guess you never used it then.
I 've tested it and don't use it for other stuff than managing files.
And also this is much more worse than in KDE1. There is no reason for it.
Can we please not have this argument here? If you must bicker, please do
it by email. Thank you :-)
Vladan Kukol wrote:
Hello all,
is there exists a special setting to disable javascript console?
What do you mean by disable it? You mean you don't want the user to be
able to look at it? If so, just remove it from the menu by editing the XUL.
Gerv
Jerry Park wrote:
Mozilla responds to a wheel mouse as expected. However, using a touchpad
with virtual scrolling, there is no response in mozilla, though all
other programs seem to respond well. Is this a known problem?
Sort of. Touchpad drivers like that are a bit of a hack - they look
If Mozilla is a international free software project supported by
developers of many countries (not only from U.S.), why is under U.S.
export laws??
Because the development of the cryptographic software was done in the
US, and the primary download servers are in the US, and both the code
Netscape Basher wrote:
Are there mirror sites besides ftp.mozilla.org?
http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html . But not all of them have picked up
0.9.9 yet.
Gerv
Jonathan Wilson wrote:
I notice a lot of people that post in various places saying https
doesnt work, I cant get to xyz secure site etc etc and half the time
its because they didnt know that PSM needed to be installed.
Why isnt it installed by default?
It is. The only way to avoid
You say this was inspired by Alan Cooper's /The inmates are running the
asylum/, but only one of your four personas (Ling) is a `user' as Cooper
would understand the term.
You appear to be describing people using the Mozilla *code*, rather than
those using a *product* which includes the
Outlook Express - easy to use kill filter
Mozilla - no usenet kill filter
Scratch your itch, dude, and fix it so we have one :-)
Gerv
The easiest thing to do is just plonk, killfile, or pass over anything
by that little troll who started the thread
Our release numbering scheme is not the most transparent thing in the
world, and has confused many people before (and surely will do so
again.) There's no need to call people
http://www.mozilla.org.uk/docs/personae/
This is my contribution to the Who is Mozilla's target user? debate.
Comments welcome :-)
Gerv
We already noticed this (and IE does not work better !!!) So should we
expect good results in a reasonable delays if we work on tracking down
memory leaks in Mozilla ???
We would very much appreciate you doing this work I'm sure your patches
would get attention
Gerv
A company I am cooperating with wants to create a browser extension that
will be part of a B2B system that will be used by end-users throughout
Europe The extension must be able to:
- Install itself so that it will be loaded whenever the user's web browser
starts
- Add buttons/menus/windows
Sorry for those who already received this message.
We are testing Mozilla in our Win 32 application which run unattended
24 hours a day and have found a memory leak. Even a few bytes leak will
cause an application crash and this is not acceptable in our
environment.
We would like to know
Couldn't they use the same servers, just set up a new directory and
offer it as a separate NG? Is it really that hard to do?
Yes, probably. No, not really.
I don't think the obstruction is technical. I'm not actually sure what
it _is_ - presumably lack of time on the part of the relevant
Well if there are only seconds and no objections I think it should be
done. Somebody could just rm robotx.txt...
This is not a good idea. Google's index of a bug would rapidly go out of
date.
You are solving the wrong problem. If Bugzilla's querying system makes
it hard for you to find the
Yes and no. You're right that it'd go out of date /rapidly/ but sooner
or later it'll be indexed becoming avaiable and, IMO, the utility of the
Google (or your favorite search engine) indexing is more the ability to
able to search quickly in all the Bugzilla database and, once you had
It would be nice if the transfer to a purely Mozilla-named nesserver
were to finally happen.
Everyone agrees it would be nice :-) But unless you are going to stump
up the servers and bandwidth, we'll just have to keep plugging away at
persuading Netscape to sort it out :-)
Gerv
pmn should be changed to pmuj.
Yeah, the docs need a review :-) If anyone wants to sanity-check them
and send me a patch, I'd be extremely grateful. I'm a bit snowed under
at the moment.
Gerv
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Perhaps you should change the Content-Type sent for
http://www.gerv.net/software/patch-maker/pm. The current one,
text/plain, makes Mozilla on Windows add a .txt extension when saving it.
Hmm. I want it to display inline for people; I like that behaviour. What
type
BTW, will beta 2 have a default datadir of
my $datadir = File::Spec-catdir(File::Spec-updir(),
File::Spec-updir(),
pm);
(like v0.7x) instead of
my $datadir = /home/gerv/pm;
No. The default datadir will always be the
I've tried it with a 2002-02-19-03 Win32 build which should have that
checkin - still no luck. Tried /, \ and \\ as path delimiters (sp?).
Are you on Windows?
I haven't had a chance to test build mode fully yet; if you can work out
what's wrong (check the find_matching_files() functions)
I might just have been too fast and you're still uploading stuff, but
anyways, all your chromelist.txt files are 404s at the moment
Yep. Chromelist.txt should come with a recent-enough nightly on all
platforms except MacOS 9 (which doesn't support Patch Maker 2 anyway.)
Gerv
q src=http://www.gerv.net/software/patch-maker/build-mode.html;
Note: version 2 of Patch Maker requires a new format to the
chromelist.txt file. Therefore, chromelist.txt will need to be obtained
from this page until bug 125588 is fixed.
/q
That bug is fixed now :-)
Gerv
Does the new patchmaker still understand the .diff, .chromediff and
.files file from an old installed patchmaker? I ask because I have a
number of outstanding patches and if I have to upgrade my patchmaker I
don't want to lose these.
Good question. In principle, yes - but the changes to the
Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 was officially released at FOSDEM
(http://www.fosdem.org) on Sunday.
This first release in the 2.0 series builds on Patch Maker version 0.75.
Patch Maker 2 has two modes of operation:
Build Mode
Patch Maker retains the ability to hack on Mozilla
James Ots wrote:
Hi,
Could someone tell me where in the source code the font rendering is
done in Linux versions of mozilla?
rbs is your man. [EMAIL PROTECTED] . His address is in Bugzilla, on
almost any bug relating to fonts.
Gerv
email [EMAIL PROTECTED], ask him to change your account email.
That address isn't guaranteed to work, given that I don't work there any
more - [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a much better bet.
Gerv
It's now at http://www.stopbadtherapy.com/standards.shtml
Er... no it's not ;)
It was 12 hours ago...
Gerv
Ooopss.. I guess I didn't read carefully. I don't know how to get
alternate lines.
There may be a CSS 3 selector which does something like this - have a
read of the spec.
Gerv
Max Bentz wrote:
Is there any option to use one single bookmarks.html-file at a
multibootsystem (WIn98, Win200 and Linux) with the new Mozilla 0.9.7?
My prefs.js line does not seem to work:
user_pref(browser.bookmark_location, C:\\bookmark.htm);
Wrong pref, mate. Check the release notes
and I got rid of the undesired text...but the margins still exist.
I need to print clean pages, without any margins and without any
additional text.
Has any of you a solution for this?
You may be out of luck. At the 0.9.5 stage, our printing wasn't brilliant.
In any case, this is probably
-- Big License block - useless for maint.
What on earth does that mean? The license doesn't change (unless you add
a new contributor.)
-- No file description block - What does this object do? Where is the
reference to the Object Behavior Description?
Surprisingly enough, not everyone in
Gregor Haddow wrote:
After wrestling with IE I have decided to go with Mozilla for my project -
it being open source. I am writing a program that reads the history of a
user, interprets the data and then stores it in a database to be used later.
Can anyone please tell me how to access and
Could someone please point me in the direction of some documentation on
creating themes. I'll like to dump Modern or Classic out to a folder and
then mod the contents of the folder to try and get the exact theme I want. I
remember this being possible when the releases where still prefixed
By the way, weren't there plans to also relicense the currently MPL-only
files? How's the progress on this one?
Ongoing :-) You should hear something more about that soon. I just need
half a spare day to draw some things together.
Gerv
Custodial Services: Will people please stop leaving the light on all
night when they go home? It wastes electricity.
New York Times: NewLightCo was today bought by Microsoft in lieu of a
large light debt for their use of ActiveLight. A spokesman for
NewLightCo said To get our product
Oh, I also got some motion happening on relicensing with my Licensing
Statistics posts. And got the ball rolling on perfomance criteria for
the 1.0 release. But who's counting?
As the person who actually did the work for relicensing, I can say with
certainty that your post was merely
Sören Kuklau wrote:
I just asked whether people agreed so I could find out whether there
generally is interest - which there is, seemingly even by mozilla.org staff
(Gerv). As soon as I find some time, I'll try and start designing it.
Excellent. A good set of FAQs for Mozilla would be a
to *triple*-check Marketing's expense accounts.
Procurement: It seems the Sun currently has a monopoly on free light,
and its reliability has been called into question regularly. Service
during supposedly up times is also subject to random interruption by
things called clouds.
Can Finance
To expect Mozilla representatives to be able to evangelize any
significant percentage of these sites to use the link solution is IMO
overly optimistic.
It may be overly optimistic in your opinion, Dave, but why could you not
have adopted the plan I suggested at the beginning? That was
-
*You* thought it was cool. The rest of the world doesn't seem to agree.
What does the @mozilla.org people think about this? I don't recall ever
seeing a single comment about this from any of them.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] discussed this issue at (great) length, and it was
decided that the
jesus X wrote:
Simon P. Lucy wrote:
LetThereBeLight()
light = 1
Customer Requirements Document
--
After consultation, we have discovered that customers prefer darkness,
for energy and cost-saving reasons. This program is therefore entirely
unnecessary.
lake Ross wrote:
This is a petition to fire David Hyatt for his crimes against the World
Wide Web, namely his implementation of automatic favicon retrieval.
Does this involve petrol and matches?
Gerv
How many non-AOL employees were involved in that decision? Mozilla *is*
still an Open project, right?
You can see the makeup of [EMAIL PROTECTED] from our web pages. I can't
recall exactly who attended that particular meeting; as it was a heated
one, perhaps others can.
Gerv
Marketing: we need a big push for customers to prefer light, so we can sell
them something.
Engineering: we are currently overloaded providing darkness; there's no
way we can provide light as well. Suggest marketing attempt to sell more
darkness, as it's a zero-cost resource.
Gerv
Most stable? 0.9.4.1+, without a shadow of a doubt.
Gerv
Where could i get a binary (0.9.4.1+) from ftp ?
0.9.4.1 was a source-only release. You can find it at
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla0.9.4.1/
0.9.4.1+ is the continuation of that branch in CVS. You can either
Not the specs - back in September certain short-sighted developers
effectively told 3rd party theme designers to go forth and multiply,
with unsurprising results...
Which bit of it's not finished yet do you, or they, have trouble
understanding?
Either:
1) You try and keep up with XUL
Sören Kuklau wrote:
Is there any chance that NewZilla gets updated again? (last updated June
14th, 2001) I considered it a useful ressource for Newbies to Netscape 6 and
Mozilla.
I was in contact with Alex for a while about moving the FAQ to
mozilla.org, but he kept dropping out of sight.
news.mozilla.org wrote:
What's the most stable version of Mozilla comparable to the Netscape 6.2
build?
Most stable? 0.9.4.1+, without a shadow of a doubt.
Gerv
I've seen those and many others, and of course you can't please
everyone. There are a lot of opinions out there, but we have
professional designers and usability engineers who analyze aggregated
statistical feedback, usability tests, and other hard data, and try to
improve the product
S. Merde wrote:
I'll have to look into this more, but basically all that needs to be
done is replacing the existing graphics routines (of GTK+, etc.) with
those used by FOX? I'm sure it's not as easy as just doing that, but I
think you get the idea.
This newsgroup is probably not the best
This has been discussed in the UI newsgroup. You may love it, but it is
almost always a defect. When a new window has content loaded, the
content should be focused so it can be scrolled, etc. This is the way
Nav 4.x, IE and Opera work, about as close as you can get to a universal
But should it be this way? Should focus automatically go into the URL
bar?
Yes. I _love_ this.
Or should Ctrl-W function the same there as in the rest of
display panes?
Yes. This should also work.
Gerv
These mailing lists are also Usenet groups (which is how most of the
people here access them, FWIW). Spammers post here, hoping to find
someone dumb enough to read their messages.
Actually, 90% of the spam comes in via the mailing list gateway.
It's a recognised problem; [EMAIL
Jonathan Wilson wrote:
If these are known about, can someone provide bugzilla bug numbers?
Searching Bugzilla isn't that hard :-) If you can't find them, feel free
to file them.
Gerv
Travis Crump wrote:
In the latest nightlies(win32 talkback zip(win2k)), when I unjar my jar
files(using Patchmaker), I get warning messages that files are going to
be overwritten(I tell it to overwrite All). Since the files are being
unjared to directories which didn't exist before I
Gerv did not write:
Does Mozilla have a spell checker?
This document was not written by me, as a short comparison of it with
other stuff I've written will quickly show.
For a start, the From line on all my mails has my name as Gervase
Markham, not Gerv.
Secondly, the NNTP-Posting-Host
A Scientific Wild-Ass Guess (SWAG) based on what I know about how the
favicon system caches misses, the fact that most users close their
browser when they are not using it,
Here you were assuming that the not-found cache is lost at the end of a
session. That's not the case.
My
Strongly seconded here (wearing my webmaster and evangelism hats).
This feature was turned on by Dave Hyatt on the Mozilla trunk two days
ago, at 1am Pacific Time.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109843
Michael Nahrath wrote:
Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This feature was turned on by Dave Hyatt on the Mozilla trunk two days
ago, at 1am Pacific Time.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109843
Gerv
Gerv, what is your oppinion about this?
I think it's the wrong thing
Mike Cramer wrote:
Jason Bassford wrote:
Bad behaviour (causing
unnecessary traffic) as a default on the part of a browser should not
be condoned.
Let's see here. Assume you get 1000 pageviews a day from 100 people. A
request for /favicon.ico is something like what? 30 characters?
Brendan Eich wrote:
Assume [...] that each Mozilla user's browser checks for the icon once
a week - say once every 100 page loads.
Why are you assuming any such thing? Evidence?
A Scientific Wild-Ass Guess (SWAG) based on what I know about how the
favicon system caches misses, the fact
I've repeatedly reported this here and get blown off as some sort of nut
case eccentric. Instead of asking others whether they have had similar
experiences.
Dude, we completely believe that it doesn't work _for_ _you_. No-one
doubts that. We promise :-) But that doesn't mean you can make
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