Re: some confusion about various products and licenses

2000-12-26 Thread Simon P. Lucy
At 19:27 25/12/2000 -0500, Glenn Alperin wrote: I've been following the Mozilla project almost since its inception, and I have followed it excitedly, though admittedly I am not a contributor to the project. That said, I did look over the FAQs available to see if my question was answered

Re: some confusion about various products and licenses

2000-12-28 Thread Simon P. Lucy
At 11:09 27/12/2000 -0800, Daniel Veditz wrote: "Simon P. Lucy" wrote: The licensing was split between Netscape Public Licence and Mozilla Public Licence. The practical difference between them was solely that Netscape was the original contributor in the case of the NPL and so

Re: some confusion about various products and licenses

2001-01-03 Thread Simon P. Lucy
At 23:32 02/01/2001 -0800, Daniel Veditz wrote: "Simon P. Lucy" wrote: delenda est Ok, I seem to remember that being the perception, but at this distance perception is a dull instrument. Simon Anyone with a little foresight could see that it would take only one MPL file c

[OT]Re: [Fwd: Re: MPL derivatives]

2001-01-24 Thread Simon P. Lucy
At 02:23 24/01/2001 +0100, Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: There's one for Pueblo on http://www.chaco.com http://www.chaco.com/ which I've wanted to use to incorporate their VRML and MUD/MUSH stuff. A VRML viewer under the MPL? Cool. Is there any more info available about features

Re: Why do you not publish your code under GPL/LGPL ?

2001-04-10 Thread Simon P. Lucy
At 14:14 10/04/2001 +0200, Patrick Spingys wrote: Hi Mozilla-Team! Why is it not possible, that you publish your new code and your changes on Mozilla under the GPL (program) / LGPL (libraries) ? I know, that at the moment the license is NPL/MPL. But why can not everybody who have written code

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-13 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 13/09/2001 at 09:31 Mitchell Baker wrote: There are two discussions here. One regards the MPL itself, and its use by the mozilla project. The other regards the proposed dual/tri licensing with the LGPL and or GPL. The former is an interesting discussion which we should continue. But it

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-13 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 14/09/2001 at 00:56 Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: the GPL effectively removes the original copyright (insofar as original copyright holders have rights to any derivable product) and gives it away to all and sundry. The MPL, and a few other licences avoids this imposition. Does

Multiple Licencing language

2001-09-22 Thread Simon P. Lucy
I'm going to try this one more time. A long while ago I suggested a mechanism that would allow the multiple licencing of source files whilst ensuring the avoidance of doubt in any particular use. The problem is that trying to apply the licence choice in each and every file results in a

Re: Reasons for incompatibility GPL-MPL

2001-09-23 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 23/09/2001 at 22:11 Ben Bucksch wrote: We have heard from several sources that FSF states that the GPL is incompatible with the MPL, because the MPL has some additional conditions which the GPL does not allow: | it has some complex restrictions | that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL.

Re: Multiple Licencing language

2001-10-02 Thread Simon P. Lucy
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 02/10/2001 at 15:26 Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: On 22/09/2001 at 14:14 Simon P. Lucy wrote: I'm going to try this one more time. A long while ago I suggested a mechanism that would allow the multiple licencing of source files whilst

Re: Multiple Licencing language

2001-10-03 Thread Simon P. Lucy
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 02/10/2001 at 09:23 Gervase Markham wrote: And a deafening silence is the result, not even a 'its rubbish go away'. I don't believe it's necessary, because I (and, as I understand it, the other staff, and anyone else who has ever implemented a

Re: Multiple Licencing language

2001-10-03 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 02/10/2001 at 20:41 Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: Yes no one will ever see it unless they do a listing output, but that isn't the point. As always the point is to unambiguously define the licence used. But to whom define, if only you will ever see it? It will end up

Re: Questions about MPL license

2001-11-23 Thread Simon P. Lucy
are using the NPL/MPL licence and that you are not using the LGPL or GPL licence, the simplest way to do that is to have on the About dialog the Mozilla licence without the LGPL/GPL language on it. Simon On 21/11/2001 at 14:50 Simon P. Lucy wrote: On 21/11/2001 at 10:28 Ed Welch wrote: Hi, I am

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-21 Thread Simon P. Lucy
The below is a cool example Ben :-), but it isn't a fair comparison. If you change the house numbers to be the same, then _that_ is an equivalent example. Simon On 21/09/2001 at 09:49 Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: No dual licence where the language of both licences is in the same

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-20 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 20/09/2001 at 14:55 Gervase Markham wrote: You have the wrong end of the stick. It's not that way round, it's the other way round - developers who want to combine our code with GPLed apps. We still aren't letting GPLed code into the tree. For one example of a group who want to use our code

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-20 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 20/09/2001 at 15:00 Gervase Markham wrote: This is not the case. Let's do a thought experiment: You have a file of code. You make three copies and put one of the license header from the MPL, LGPL and GPL on each one. Whenever you make changes to the file, you update all three copies. If

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-20 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 20/09/2001 at 21:45 jesus X wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: However this is not the case, there are not three files but one. Think of it like Breathsavers mints; every Mozilla file is 3 files in one. No it isn't, there is only one file. Legally its a single entity. This idea of it being

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-20 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 20/09/2001 at 19:04 Gervase Markham wrote: license header from the MPL, LGPL and GPL on each one. Whenever you make changes to the file, you update all three copies. If someone wants to use the file, he picks which copy to use. If you are, for example, Netscape, However this is not

Re: Licensing Statistics (2001-09-08)

2001-09-21 Thread Simon P. Lucy
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 21/09/2001 at 14:34 Ben Bucksch wrote: Simon P. Lucy wrote: I have said that the only way to use the source is to remove the GPL/LGPL language. But its not the binary that matters, you have to make sure for all uses. This effectively still means

Re: MPL Question

2002-02-23 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 22/02/2002 at 10:34 Denise Smithe wrote: I read the MPL and I am totally confused. Basically, if I create an application that includes mozilla code (unmodified) ... can I sell that application? thanks! DS Yes you can sell the application, you can deliver the built application in any way.