Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/17/2013 08:24 PM, Sieghard wrote: What's so special about abs? Nothing at all. It's simply a comparison .. abs() looks like a function but in fact it isn't. So it's a very special kind of function (at least it is similar to a set of overloaded function or a kind of generic). In Pascal same is true for typecasts. C is more straight forward: typecasts don't look like a function so you are not astonished to see that they don't perform any action. abs() does not exist in C (you can of course do a simple #define macro for that). -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/17/2013 08:24 PM, Sieghard wrote: BUT: Does anybody _really_ think that type casting _does_ something? In fact it does stuff like zero or sign extend or cut away high order bits. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/17/2013 06:52 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: integervar:= abs(integer(cardinalvalue)); but for cardinalvalue = $ cardinalvalue = chard32 (abs(integer(cardinalvalue))); would result in 1, while cardinalvalue = abs (cardinalvalue) in fpc would result in $ -Michel -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
abs() does not exist in C (you can of course do a simple #define macro for that). Not true. You can find it in stdlib.h -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/17/2013 07:23 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: BTW, Free Pascal has no unsigned abs(). http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/abs.html Did anybody test what fpc really does for cardinalvalue = abs (cardinalvalue); with cardinalvalue = $ ? -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/18/2013 10:26 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: Not true. You can find it in stdlib.h This is not C (language) but a library. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Yes.. of course ;) almost everything is in a library.. but it's standard library. Abs in pascal is also in a library (System unit) is not part of the language.. like almost every thing. I'm not sure but probably stdlib.h is in every C implementation out there. 2013/12/18 Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de On 12/18/2013 10:26 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: Not true. You can find it in stdlib.h This is not C (language) but a library. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/18/2013 10:36 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: Abs in pascal is also in a library (System unit) is not part of the language Really ? I had the impression that it is a compiler builtin. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Really ? I had the impression that it is a compiler builtin. Probably I'm wrong in the concept. Compiled by default doesn't mean is part of the language IMHO, you also can apply the same to abs in C language stdlib.h curious.. you can read http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/ ...The system unit contains the standard supported functions of Free Pascal. It is the same for all platforms. Basically it is the same as the system unit provided with Borland or Turbo Pascal standard.. like standard lib in C I was only responding to your sentence: abs() does not exist in C (you can of course do a simple #define macro for that). You don't need to define abs in C, just use stdlib.h, this is what I wanted to say.. :) -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/18/2013 10:52 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: You don't need to define abs in C, just use stdlib.h, this is what I wanted to say.. :) OK. But right now we are discussing concepts, not ease of use :-) . -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/16/2013 03:58 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: unsigned:= card32(abs(signed)); This suggests that the result of abs is signed and need an explicit conversion to unsigned. I'm not sure that this is beneficial. OTHO what is abs anyway ? Is it some kind of builtin overloaded function that works differently for different argument types ? What is the type of the result ? -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/16/2013 04:44 PM, Ivanko B wrote: Then typecasts ABS should be inline-d. Typecast is not only inlined but even builtin (in C source code it not even looks like a function; this is PASCAL specific stuff.) abs() is a special beast, anyway... -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/17/2013 09:30 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: OTHO what is abs anyway ? Is it some kind of builtin overloaded function that works differently for different argument types ? BTW.: Funny stuff: Is the argument of abs() would be fixed to signed, and we would have automatic type conversion what would be the result of this code ? var i : card32; i := 4294967295; i := abs(i); IMHO i needs to be 1. - 4294967295 = $ - $ in signed is -1 - abs of -1 is 1 -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 09:30:52 Michael Schnell wrote: On 12/16/2013 03:58 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: unsigned:= card32(abs(signed)); This suggests that the result of abs is signed and need an explicit conversion to unsigned. Correct. There is no abs() for unsigned types. I'm not sure that this is beneficial. OTHO what is abs anyway ? Is it some kind of builtin overloaded function that works differently for different argument types ? Yes, as in Free Pascal: http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/abs.html What is the type of the result ? The type of the input parameter. Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Correct. There is no abs() for unsigned types == Do You want to disable these (100% compatible) types as arguments ? Looks a bit revolutionary :) -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 18:38:39 Ivanko B wrote: Correct. There is no abs() for unsigned types == Do You want to disable these (100% compatible) types as arguments ? Looks a bit revolutionary :) One can always use explicit type conversions. MSElang principle is to make *no* implicit type conversions. For abs() use integervar:= abs(integer(cardinalvalue)); Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 19:14:24 Ivanko B wrote: This may be considered as a joke by non-devoted people :) Why? What about Delphi cardinalvar:= $; integervar:= abs(cardinalvar); ? BTW, Free Pascal has no unsigned abs(). http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/abs.html Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Hallo Michael, Du schriebst am Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:33:34 +0100: Typecast is not only inlined but even builtin (in C source code it not even looks like a function; this is PASCAL specific stuff.) Sorry for stepping in, I promise I won't any more... BUT: Does anybody _really_ think that type casting _does_ something? A type cast, CPU wise, is a no-op, quite simply. It is just a directive to the compiler that the programmer wants to do something the language usually doesn't permit, i.e. interpret a variable of one type as if it had another type. Often, this also includes size conversion - but this is no real operation either, as this is done on the fly by any common processor. Truncation simply means that part of the value, i.e. part of a register's content, goes unused for the destination. Expansion might even be disallowed altogether, or it might involve filling the part missing in the source with zeroes. There's one special case, though, that is when some compilers do sign extension on signed values, which involves a processor instruction to the effect. abs() is a special beast, anyway... What's so special about abs? Nothing at all. It's simply a comparison used to decide whether to take the source value unchanged or negate it, which usually is a single processor instruction. As pseudo code it would look somewhat like: IF value 0 THEN result:= -value ELSE result:= value; Or in C: result= value 0? -value: value; Could be a preprocessor macro that way, even... -- -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
unsigned = signed = doing_smth = unsigned instead of doing_smth(unsigned) -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 19:31:21 Ivanko B wrote: unsigned = signed = doing_smth = unsigned instead of doing_smth(unsigned) There is no abs() for unsigned - one can not do doing_smth(unsigned) with abs(). -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 20:24:27 Sieghard wrote: BUT: Does anybody _really_ think that type casting _does_ something? A type cast, CPU wise, is a no-op, quite simply. Correct, if the sizes of the types are the same a type conversion says to the compiler I know what I do. For the conversion from smaller to bigger it either - sign extends the value if the conversion is signed to signed: int32var:= int32(int16value); - it fills the upper bytes with 0 if the smaller or the bigger is unsigned: card32var:= card32(card16value); card32var:= card32(int16value); //possible range check? int32var:= int32(card16value); If the conversion is from bigger to smaller it truncates to the lower bytes with a possible range check. card16var:= card16(card32value); card16var:= card16(int32value); int16var:= int16(card32value); int16var:= int16(int32value); Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
*no* implicit type conversions === that's with side (unexpected/unwanted) effects. But what for to disable : unsigned := signed ? Here, user know what he/she wants to get (absolute value of the signed). -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/16/2013 02:29 PM, Ivanko B wrote: unsigned := signed ? Here, user know what he/she wants to get No he does not. (absolute value of the signed). Even you don't :-) . If you do unsigned := signed; you get the correct positive value if positive. But if it is negative you'll get maxunsigned + value + 1, as any language I know just preserves the bits in the word. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
But if it is negative you'll get maxunsigned + value + 1, as === Really it should do internally smth like : unsigned:= ABS(signed) -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On 12/16/2013 02:52 PM, Ivanko B wrote: But if it is negative you'll get maxunsigned + value + 1, as === Really it should do internally smth like : unsigned:= ABS(signed) -1 This would be different to any known language and much slower. -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Monday 16 December 2013 14:29:05 Ivanko B wrote: *no* implicit type conversions === that's with side (unexpected/unwanted) effects. But what for to disable : unsigned := signed ? var unsigned: card32; signed: int32; ... unsigned:= card32(signed); Assigns the binary value as is, -1 - $. Here, user know what he/she wants to get (absolute value of the signed). unsigned:= card32(abs(signed)); Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Then typecasts ABS should be inline-d. -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Monday 16 December 2013 16:44:24 Ivanko B wrote: Then typecasts ABS should be inline-d. Sure. Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Then 'Error: Icompatible types: got cardinal expected integer without explicit typecast' ? PS: personally me hate these laconic FPC error message-jokes more fearing misleadind than helping. -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
I think there should be no implicit type conversions in MSElang. === Maybe no UNSAFE (unsigned -2-signed etc with possible range/precision loss,..) implicit type conversion ? -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Saturday 14 December 2013 18:24:20 Ivanko B wrote: I think there should be no implicit type conversions in MSElang. === Maybe no UNSAFE (unsigned -2-signed etc with possible range/precision loss,..) implicit type conversion ? Yes. var i1,i2: integer; c1: cardinal; begin f1:= 1.0; //ok f1:= float(1); //ok i1:= 1; //ok c1:= 1; //ok i2:= i1 + c1;//error end; Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Saturday 14 December 2013 18:47:22 Martin Schreiber wrote: var i1,i2: integer; c1: cardinal; begin f1:= 1.0; //ok f1:= float(1); //ok i1:= 1; //ok c1:= 1; //ok i2:= i1 + c1;//error end; Correction: var i1,i2: integer; c1: cardinal; begin i1:= 1; //ok c1:= 1; //ok i2:= i1 + c1;//error end; Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Saturday 14 December 2013 19:59:34 Ivanko B wrote: With easy-to-get descriptive error messages, correct ? Yes, 'Error: Icompatible types: got cardinal expected integer'. Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
Or avoiding boring investigations: denying to assign unsigned to signed because of possible value truncation - use explicit typecast if sure what You're doing. -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
On Saturday 14 December 2013 21:09:38 Ivanko B wrote: Or avoiding boring investigations: denying to assign unsigned to signed because of possible value truncation - use explicit typecast if sure what You're doing. Rejected. ;-) Martin -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, implicit type conversions
+1 (even seemingly not a very common language restriction) -Michael -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
