Re: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
-- On Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:11 PM -0500 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:59:59 CST, Chris Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You don't. If you configure your name server to block resolution of terrorist.com, you'll never find out that it goes to an Akamai

The Cidr Report

2002-11-15 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Nov 15 21:51:38 2002 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

Traceroute from A to B

2002-11-15 Thread Minseok Kwon
Is there a way or tool to find the route between two arbitrary hosts from one of my local machines? In other words, given two host IP addresses A and B, I would like to find the route between A and B. I can use a source route, 'traceroute -g', to approximate the route. I have tried this option.

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread fkittred
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:36:54 -0500 David Diaz wrote: People seem to prefer cost of quality at this time. Good Fast Cheap Honey, part of our success is that I don't accept the above. Sooner or later, you will have to compete with someone who believes: Good Fast Cheap we do all

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread fkittred
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:48:17 -0800 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its possible/likely that what Paul is saying may happen, but it requires a lot of locality-specific high-bandwidth applications (none exist now or in demand now) and technologies that make it possible (cost-effective) to

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread David Diaz
Anyone that calls me honey is in question. It's standard, you cant have everything in life. You attempt to achieve all three however it's all relative. You can have a DSL line now instead of a T1, it's fast and cheap but most arent as good as a T1 and the SLAs arent there right? Usually you

Re: DirecPC Protocols

2002-11-15 Thread Marshall Eubanks
This is AFAIK _not_ what DirectPC does, but have you taken a look at RFC3077 and the UDLR draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-udlr-experiments-00.txt ? This covers the complications of doing IP over very assymetric links as part of the IP, including both multicast and TCP

RE: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread alex
Who is 'they', Patrick ? Suppose Spain introduces that law. Fine, but that doesn't mean that other countries have to (or will ever) abide by that. Certainly in the U.S. you won't find that many who would support even the idea. This thread was started 'cause the Spanish (?) government

Re: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread David Lesher
Unnamed Administration sources reported that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is not correct. Such laws tend to cover whatever is shown to the Spanish citizens, no matter by whom. Oh? A friend of mine is such. He just happens to live in the DC area, and has for 30 years... How would such a

Re: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread alex
Unnamed Administration sources reported that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is not correct. Such laws tend to cover whatever is shown to the Spanish citizens, no matter by whom. Oh? A friend of mine is such. He just happens to live in the DC area, and has for 30 years... How

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread Richard Irving
Warning , this post won't configure a router. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:36:54 -0500 David Diaz wrote: People seem to prefer cost of quality at this time. Good Fast Cheap Honey, part of our success is that I don't accept the above. Sooner or later, you will have

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread fkittred
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:42:46 -0500 Richard Irving wrote: Huh, must be in marketing or sales, perhaps a CEO, even. Yup, I am a CEO. I am also (still) one of the most experienced and best educated IP engineers around. It is fun being CEO. Rather than throw stones, you might want to

Re: Traceroute from A to B

2002-11-15 Thread Jeff S Wheeler
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 08:39, Minseok Kwon wrote: Is there a way or tool to find the route between two arbitrary hosts from one of my local machines? In other words, given two host IP addresses A and B, I would like to find the route between A and B. I can use a source route, 'traceroute -g',

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:20:36 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: relatively cheap. I know our costs are lower and quality is higher than our competitors and I believe the reason is that we go for a simple network designed around cheap routers and fat pipes. We made OK. I'll bite. What do you

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread Richard Irving
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, I am a CEO. 1-900-psy-kick Call now, Mon, we're a waiting for ya! I am also (still) one of the most experienced and best educated IP engineers around. And humble, too. :\ [Said to a list where Van Jacobson and Vixie have been known to lurk]

Next NANOG meeting/stats

2002-11-15 Thread Susan Harris
The next NANOG meeting will be held February 9-11, 2003, in Phoenix, Arizona, where it will be warm and sunny. Registration opens January 2. Our hosts for this meeting are Rodney Joffe and UltraDNS. Rodney, this is the third time you've hosted NANOG, and we are very grateful for your long-term

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread fkittred
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:37:08 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: relatively cheap. I know our costs are lower and quality is higher than our competitors and I believe the reason is that we go for a simple network designed around cheap routers and fat pipes. We made OK. I'll bite. What do

Fwd: Next NANOG meeting/stats

2002-11-15 Thread ren
Hi Susan, Is this date absolutely set in stone? First Halloween, now Valentine's Day... how is a girl supposed to toss a good party if you put everyone in airports for all the fun holidays? Geesh. -ren The next NANOG meeting will be held February 9-11, 2003, in Phoenix, Arizona, where it

Re: DirecPC Protocols

2002-11-15 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:41:10PM +0100, Jurian van der Knaap wrote: You might get some info out of the Linux DirecPC driver, or maybe the developers of the driver can help. Find it at http://sourceforge.net/projects/direcpc Hope this is of any help, Yeah, this helped. It showed me

Re: Fwd: Next NANOG meeting/stats

2002-11-15 Thread Randy Bush
The next NANOG meeting will be held February 9-11, 2003, in Arizona, where it will be warm and sunny. Is this date absolutely set in stone? First Halloween, now Valentine's Day. and it butts right against nordnog, essentially preventing attendance at both. randy

Re: DirecPC Protocols

2002-11-15 Thread Jun Takei
Crist, I am a contributor of RFC3077 and we will have a IETF meeting in Atlanta. I will discuss the issue which you wrote below at the UDLR-WG meeting. Now we are preparing a updated draft which support the operation the network employing RFC3077. Thank you. Jun Takei Crist J. Clark

Re: Traceroute from A to B

2002-11-15 Thread Owen DeLong
Absent source routing capability, you will need to be on one of the machines. It is also important to understand that traceroute displays the route from a to b while depending on both the route from a to b and the route from each hop to the source of the traceroute probe packets. It will only

IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread Steve Rude
Hi All, I am trying to collect information about using RFC 1918 space on an ISP backbone. I have read the RFC several times, and I don't see where it says that you cannot use 10/8 space to number your backbone links (/30s). I know this is an old thread that has been rehashed several times,

Re: IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Very old thread! Private hosts can communicate with all other hosts inside the enterprise, both public and private. However, they cannot have IP connectivity to any host outside of the enterprise. All other hosts will be public and will use globally unique address space assigned

Re: IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread Owen DeLong
Generally it is not prohibited by the RFC, but it is bad form if you send out ICMP that originates from 10space to places outside your network. As such, it's generally bad form to use these numbers on intefaces in the backbone, since those interfaces are likely to show up in ICMP time exceeded

Re: Fwd: Next NANOG meeting/stats

2002-11-15 Thread Martin J. Levy
While we are at it... Those that still believe in using Sneaker-Net will be attending the following convention... Western Shoe Association (WSA) Las Vegas 8-11 Feb 2003 ...I don't think we have people that are members of both WSA NANOG. Also, I know that we have had NANOG's that

Re: IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread Brian
Looking at the categories of hosts in the rfc, it would be my opinion that a router that connects you to the outside world would fall into category3 and therefore need globally unique space. Just my opinion for the day. Most people frown heavily upon traffic that goes from one public node to

Re: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread hostmaster
At 11:20 AM 11/15/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unnamed Administration sources reported that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is not correct. Such laws tend to cover whatever is shown to the Spanish citizens, no matter by whom. Oh? A friend of mine is such. He just happens to live in

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread Jere Retzer
Some thoughts: - Coast-to-coast "guaranteed latency" seems too low in most cases that I've seen. Not calling CEOs and marketers liars but the real world doesn't seem to do as well as the promises. As VOIP takes off "local" IPexchanges will continue/increase in importance because people

Re: IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread haesu
Hey, Usually numbering backbone routers with a 10/8 is not a necessary practice. Any backbone routers communicating with the outside world are marked category three and should have globally unique IP numbers. Plus, if you are an ISP (in which it looks like you are..), it will help others on

BGP Dampening

2002-11-15 Thread Mark V. A. Bown
Greetings, I pose this question do its puzzling major. Two nights ago at approximately 10:20 PM PST I started receiving enough invalid routes that it caused my processor on router B to reach 100 percent utilization for 30 second interval every 3 min. While doing a debug on updates I discovered

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread David Diaz
Title: Re: PAIX At 16:01 -0800 11/15/02, Jere Retzer wrote: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Description: HTML Some thoughts: - Coast-to-coast guaranteed latency seems too low in most cases that I've seen. Not calling CEOs and marketers liars but the real world doesn't seem

PM3's crashing

2002-11-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Anyone seeing odd crashes on Lucent PM3's tonight? We have boxes dying all over the network with hard lockups. The machines are in different physical locations with different telcos. It smells alot like a DOS of some sort. Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 720-3635

Re: PAIX

2002-11-15 Thread Stephen Stuart
- Coast-to-coast guaranteed latency seems too low in most cases that = I've seen. Not calling CEOs and marketers liars but the real world doesn't = seem to do as well as the promises. As VOIP takes off local IP exchanges = will continue/increase in importance because people won't tolerate

Re: PM3's crashing

2002-11-15 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mark Radabaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyone seeing odd crashes on Lucent PM3's tonight? We have boxes dying all over the network with hard lockups. The machines are in different physical locations with different telcos. It smells alot like a DOS of some sort. Do you

Re: IP backbone numbering/naming

2002-11-15 Thread Mike Lewinski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also use RFC1918 numbers for your point-to-point /30 aggregation blocks with the customers.. But.. since that would have effect on customer's premise equipment, it would be better to give them globally unique space as well, who knows if your customer comes

Re: Blocking specific sites within certain countries.

2002-11-15 Thread David Lesher
A friend of mine is such. He just happens to live in the DC area, and has for 30 years... How would such a block be enforced...? Very simple. Someone names him in a lawsuit. A spanish judge issues subpoena. He ignores it and does not appear in court. The same judge would I

Re: PM3's crashing

2002-11-15 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Mark Radabaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyone seeing odd crashes on Lucent PM3's tonight? We have boxes dying all over the network with hard lockups. The machines are in different physical locations with different telcos. It