Re: EuroNOG

2003-02-05 Thread bmanning
My co-Bill, the estimable Mr. Manning wrote: how/why is this proposed group distinct from the European Operator Forum? Mr. DEFAYET replied: NDSoftware exist. Mike CHENEY exist. EuroNOG is neutral. However, I'm not sure that actually constituted

Re: Remote email access

2003-02-05 Thread Michael . Dillon
Hence there is no space-efficient way of noting an authority chain, other than entering every single IP address ever assigned, all in one big data base. Alas, that ain't feasible. I beg to differ. Essentially, the collective databases of the address registries are the data base that you

Re: Remote email access

2003-02-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:04:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What would be the point? Well, if my MTA receives a connection on port 25 I could look up the source IP address in the LDAP directory to identify the owner. Since an LDAP directory can contain arbitrary information related to its

Re: Remote email access

2003-02-05 Thread Jeff S Wheeler
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 04:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If ARIN, RIPE and APNIC were to find some financial and political support, then I believe that they could provide a global authoritative database of ARIN has no lack of financial resources. From my perspective, the only thing the ARIN

Re: Remote email access

2003-02-05 Thread Dave Crocker
Michael, Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 1:04:08 AM, you wrote: MDrc What would be the point? Well, if my MTA receives a connection on port 25 MDrc I could look up the source IP address in the LDAP directory to identify MDrc the owner. Since an LDAP directory can contain arbitrary information MDrc

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2003-02-05 Thread Lynn Bashaw
Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some variation of 95th percentile? Thanks Lynn Bashaw Director, Network Engineering Yipes Enterprise Services 2000 S. Colorado Blvd. Denver, CO 80222

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2003-02-05 Thread Bruce Robertson
At this exact moment we bill by average, but we're considering a switch to 95%, though lately I've gotten tired of fighting with customers when they get a bandwidth bill, so we might just do away with measured bandwidth and go with capped across the board. -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO

Re: your mail

2003-02-05 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Lynn Bashaw wrote: Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some variation of 95th percentile? Average is just a function of total and time, and time progresses linearly with time, so average x some $ figure

Re: avg/95th

2003-02-05 Thread Grant A. Kirkwood
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 10:44 am, Bruce Robertson wrote: At this exact moment we bill by average, but we're considering a switch to 95%, though lately I've gotten tired of fighting with customers when they get a bandwidth bill, so we might just do away with measured bandwidth and go

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2003-02-05 Thread Jack Bates
Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some variation of 95th percentile? We look at an mrtg graph and pick a nice spot on the graph that looks like it is pushing enough bandwidth. We call this the eye-ball averaging method. No complaints

RE: your mail

2003-02-05 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Koepp, Karsten wrote: Volume usually totals in+out, whereas average does max(in,out) divided by time intervals. Well, not to be nit-picky, but that wouldn't strictly be averaging, then. To get back to the question at hand, another scheme that I'm seeing more

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2003-02-05 Thread Gabriel
I know that Peer 1 offers that. http://www.peer1.net. I've talked with Bonnie Poirier, and she's very helpful. They offer both average use, and 95th percentile. Gabriel Lynn Bashaw wrote: Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some

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2003-02-05 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:51:39PM -0600, Jack Bates wrote: Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some variation of 95th percentile? We look at an mrtg graph and pick a nice spot on the graph that looks like it is pushing enough

issues with sprint in chicago?

2003-02-05 Thread Eric Whitehill
Is there anyone else out there that seems to be reporting issues with sprint in chicago? In the last hour, i've had 1/2 dozen customers seeming to be calling with issues across some stuff in chicago. Trying to see if this is a sprint problem or a my problem. Thanks! -Eric

Re: billing systems

2003-02-05 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:21:12PM -0500, Richard Welty wrote: Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer to pick a random number, then consult my Magic 8-Ball with the question Is this customer paying enough money?. If the answer is no, I raise their bill by 10Mbit and try

WorldCom's DWDM capabilities/OC12 SONET vs DWDM

2003-02-05 Thread Max's Lists
Folks: in working on a project it has come to my attention that WorldCom doesn't seem to have a DWDM network to speak of, and reportedly has spotty DWDM coverage only in metro areas, a fact well hidden from company's marketing literature that seems to avoid talking about speeds above oc-3. Two

Re: your mail

2003-02-05 Thread alex
Does anyone on the list know of any ISPs that bill based on average utilization, rather than some variation of 95th percentile? Sure. As long as your math is correct it does not matter how do you calculate your bill. Alex

Re: EuroNOG

2003-02-05 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wednesday 5 February 2003, at 0 h 54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NDSoftware exist. ... I'm still waiting. NDsoftware does not exist, at least as a company in France. It is *not* registered in any French directory of companies (check it out: http://www.societe.com/).

Re: EuroNOG

2003-02-05 Thread bmanning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting. I'm not worried about the existance of a purported legal entity that appears to be hosting a mailing list. The question I ask, and am still waiting for an answer to is; what are the differences (charter)

Re: EuroNOG

2003-02-05 Thread Randy Bush
instead of spending our time and energy putting down fools, let us try to be constructive. let's put our money where our mouths are. i am soliciting presentations for the eof meeting in barcelona. of particular interest a presentations on operationally oriented research, heretofor

Re: EuroNOG

2003-02-05 Thread Timo Mohre
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: [lots of cool stuff here] 4) ND software is incorporated in Jersey, Monaco, Virgin Islands or the Bahamas, not in France I'd like the bahamas... would be a great first meeting :) -- Timo Mohre / Network Engineer / Tiscali Germany Business Division /

Need operational experience re several pieces of equipment

2003-02-05 Thread Timothy R. McKee
Please reply off-list, I will summarize if there is any interest. I have a client that is looking to use an inexpensive FastEthernet over DS3 bridge solution for one of their clients. I quickly located two bridges/switches that do this, a) RAD's RIC-T3/ETH and b) DS3SWITCH.COM's line. Do

Odd DNS responses for www.neopets.com

2003-02-05 Thread Stephen Milton
Maybe it's just me, but isn't there something odd about a DNS query coming back with 78 entries for the same host? It sends back an UDP packet that gets truncated and the DNS resolver reverts to TCP to get the full list. It seems to cause problems with Windows clients and/or Windows DNS

South Asian Network Operators Group (SANOG) mailing list

2003-02-05 Thread Joe Abley
[apologies if you get two copies of this; the first one didn't seem to go out for some reason] The South Asian Network Operators Group (SANOG) held their first meeting in Kathmandu, Nepal, a few weeks ago. By any standards the meeting was a great success, and plans are already being made for

Re: Odd DNS responses for www.neopets.com

2003-02-05 Thread Alex Lambert
Maybe it's just me, but isn't there something odd about a DNS query coming back with 78 entries for the same host? It sends back an UDP packet that gets truncated and the DNS resolver reverts to TCP to get the full list. This is often used for server pools (as I'm guessing you know). It

Re: Odd DNS responses for www.neopets.com

2003-02-05 Thread Adam \Tauvix\ Debus
When I worked for NeoPets in the summer of 2000 they had a server farm about that size. It was behind a NetFoundry (I think) Load Balancer at the time. Perhaps their load balancer died and they had to get back up in a hurry. Thanks, Adam Tauvix Debus Linux Certified Professional, Linux

RE: Odd DNS responses for www.neopets.com

2003-02-05 Thread Deepak Jain
Maybe it's just me, but isn't there something odd about a DNS query coming back with 78 entries for the same host? It sends back an UDP packet that gets truncated and the DNS resolver reverts to TCP to get the full list. This is often used for server pools (as I'm guessing you