Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
McBurnett, Jim wrote: I hate top posting, but I want to make sure to get this out of the way first. I was not trying to defend Microsoft. I meant to point out, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING MICROSOFT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE SAFE! Bugs happen. Vulnerabilities happen. Worms happen. This

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Len Rose wrote: Hi.. just think if the billions of dollars being spent on M$ products could have been funneled into open source projects. To reinforce the point in the most blunt manner possible: No one had ever better dare postulate that the inherent reason for

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Shawn Morris
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 02:17:08PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote: Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to swap more parts. The good ole computers as cars metaphor. In the UK: 1) In order to drive a car,

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: It's not the same thing. RFC 1918 and martian addresses aren't supposed to be present on the internet, but aren't automatically harmful. Having services that are explicitly labeled for internal use be visible to the rest of the world is

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Mans Nilsson wrote: Even in an imperfect world, the solution lies in the edge, not even the CPE, but the end node, if you want to do more than pathetic bandaiding of the inherent problem of insecure applications on end nodes. This is the point, atleast I, have been

Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Sean Donelan
John Markoff reports in the New York Times that Microsoft plans to change how it ships Windows XP due to the worm. In the future Microsoft will ship both business and consumer verisons of Windows XP with the included firewall enabled by default.

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Eric A. Hall
on 8/14/2003 9:29 AM Sean Donelan wrote: John Markoff reports in the New York Times that Microsoft plans to change how it ships Windows XP due to the worm. In the future Microsoft will ship both business and consumer verisons of Windows XP with the included firewall enabled by default.

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Matthew Watkins
Apple have the right idea... I'd say all the vendors need to take a carefully balanced approach to security in the default configurations of their software. Leave services exposed to the network disabled by default, where possible. By all means, configure firewalls by default to block all

Re: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Mark Vallar
Jack Bates Wrote: I have no affiliation with Microsoft, nor do I care about their services or products. What I do care about is a worm that sends out packets uncontrolled. If there is the possibility that this planned DOS will cause issues with my topology, then I will do whatever it takes

Re: [Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled]

2003-08-14 Thread Daniel Senie
At 10:46 AM 8/14/2003, Joshua Sahala wrote: Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Markoff reports in the New York Times that Microsoft plans to change how it ships Windows XP due to the worm. In the future Microsoft will ship both business and consumer verisons of Windows XP with the

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Adi Linden
However the new microsoft policy will help protect the network from Joe and Jane average who buy a PC from the closest big box store and hook it up to their cable modem so they can exchange pictures of the kids with the grandparents in Fla. This is the class of users who botnet builders

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: Or the dumb [wannabee] IT guy runs some telnet/ftp/filesharing service without passwords and its ok for the whole world to access the private system coz its his fault? there are other actions to be taken... termination being high on that list.

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread up
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Jack Bates wrote: John Neiberger wrote: Hmm...I didn't even know XP had a built-in firewall. Any bets on how long it is before other companies with software firewall products bring suit against Microsoft for bundling a firewall in the OS? -- No clue, but I can

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Len Rose
Hi.. just think if the billions of dollars being spent on M$ products could have been funneled into open source projects. To reinforce the point in the most blunt manner possible: No one had ever better dare postulate that the inherent reason for all of the vulnerabilities in Micro$oft

The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Jason Frisvold
All, What is everyone doing, if anything, to prevent the apparent upcoming DDoS attack against Microsoft? From what I've been reading, and what I've been told, August 16th is the apparent start date... We're looking for some solution to prevent wasting our network resources

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Maxwell
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Eric A. Hall wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to ship with all of the services disabled? I mean, if the role of the firewall is to block packets to weak services, wouldn't it be simpler to just disable the damn services since they aren't going to be usable anyway?

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
Richard Cox wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:07 UTC, Eric A. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Wouldn't it make more sense to ship with all of the services disabled? Yes it would - at least to US - but that would inevitably create a load for the Support desk. However as Microsoft charge for

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Scott McGrath
The checkpoint and Pix Boxen are what we use here. But we also use ipchains to secure things at a host level. Scott C. McGrath On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Drew Weaver wrote: ipchains and similar firewalls are indeed far superior. I manage real firewalls as part of

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, aug 14, 2003, at 17:45 Europe/Amsterdam, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: No answer on that one, However Mac OS X also includes a built in firewall. yes, with fairly a simple method to add listening services to it... though it seems the 'listening service' might have to register

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Crist Clark wrote: Attacks _are_ on Linux machines. There have been Linux worms, Lion attacked BIND, Ramen attacked rpc.statd and wu-ftpd, Slapper attached Apache, to name a few. Attacks are on Solaris, the sadmin/IIS worm (which also attacked IIS, a cross-platform worm,

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Drew Weaver
John Neiberger wrote: Hmm...I didn't even know XP had a built-in firewall. Any bets on how long it is before other companies with software firewall products bring suit against Microsoft for bundling a firewall in the OS? -- No clue, but I can tell you how long it will last before

Re: I can't reach MS sites

2003-08-14 Thread Gerald
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, John Obi wrote: I can't open www.microsoft.com , windowsupdate.microsoft.com and www.msn.com very slow. Check your processlist. My money is on msblast.exe already running on your machine. Gerald

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:09:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: These kinds of inflated damages estimates are dubious at best. If you've lost that much productivity, odds are you should be pointing fingers at inapropriate redundancy and planning/procedures in your computing facilities and

Re: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Painter
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7652257~root=security,1~mode=flat;start=0 - Original Message - From: Josh Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:24 AM Subject: RE: The impending DDoS storm Has anyone determined a method for

Re: How much longer ..

2003-08-14 Thread John Neiberger
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30072.html The Klez virus last year cost businesses $9 billion worldwide in lost productivity, When I read stuff like this I always wonder if these businesses count the time spent patching their systems as 'lost' productivity. John --

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Gerald
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On the configuration angle, the Microsoft ICF (Internet Connection Firewall) blocks everything by default. as does OSX. Just to clarify, the OSX firewall has a little bit of sense. If you check that you want to enable one of the services

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
Crist Clark wrote: To pound it home one more time, worms that attack Microsoft products are a bigger deal only because Microsoft has at least an order of magnitude greater installbase than the nearest competitor. True. I'd be curious to see the worm to software vendor ratios. Anyone have them?

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread McBurnett, Jim
From: Scott McGrath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No answer on that one, However Mac OS X also includes a built in firewall. On the configuration angle, the Microsoft ICF (Internet Connection Firewall) blocks everything by default. I just worked on a friends computer last night. The XP ICF

I can't reach MS sites

2003-08-14 Thread John Obi
Hello, I can't open www.microsoft.com , windowsupdate.microsoft.com and www.msn.com very slow. It took long time to sign in the msn IM too. Do you see any problems so far? Thanks, -J __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design

Re: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:07:15PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How much longer will people put up with the millions of dollars of losses in time, resources and service inflicted on the net by the joke vulnerabilities in the toy operating system known as Windows? Enough is Enough.

MPLS ICMP Extensions

2003-08-14 Thread Leo Bicknell
I wanted to get some other opinions on some new features that have appeared in recent code from the popular vendors. It appears there is a new draft, a copy of which can be found at http://www.watersprings.org/links/mlr/id/draft-ietf-mpls-icmp-01.txt that allows MPLS enabled boxes to return some

Re: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
McBurnett, Jim wrote: But doesn't that mean the hacker won? If you change the DNS and a user can not get to windowsupdate, you just helped him create a better DoS than he had... I have no affiliation with Microsoft, nor do I care about their services or products. What I do care about is a worm

Re: Advice/Experience with small sized DDWM gear

2003-08-14 Thread N. Richard Solis
Fletcher, My primary responsibility here is engineering exactly these kinds of systems. The biggest difference between CWDM systems and DWDM systems is system reach. Most CWDM systems are designed for short haul applications like yours (approx 20km and under. Most DWDM systems are designed

RE: MPLS ICMP Extensions

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Bernico
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the extended MPLS info only showed up when the trace was started on a PE or P router. Is that right? If customers or others outside the MPLS domain can see that info I'd definitely agree with you. Mike -Original Message- From: Leo Bicknell

RE: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Lockwood
I have to agree with Ejay. Microsoft is not the only software vendor. It seems silly to argue that one OS is better than the other. Linux needs to be patched to, as do all the various flavors or Unix, solaris, etc from time to time and with varying degrees of urgency. This is a fact of life.

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread mike harrison
There is legitimate traffic on 135. All users I've talked to have been We started blocking 135-139 and 445 a week ago... we got one complaint, and added an exception for those two ip addresses (one remote/one local). We're just a small regional ISP, but we've seen little real use of these

Electrical Engineering Firm Recommendation

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Lockwood
Title: Message Can someone recommend an electrical engineering firm in the middle to north part of California that has experience with NOC design? TIA Dan Lockwood

OT: APAC circuit costs

2003-08-14 Thread Brennan_Murphy
I am hoping to ask some questions of an enterprise network engineer/manager who knows a bit about circuit costs in APAC. Specifically, I have a vendor telling me a WAN link from Beijing to SanFran is cheaper than Beijing to almost anywhere else in APAC: Singapore, Hong Kong, Sydney and Tokyo.

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: More and more there is less and less spoofing, its just not required and it causes more damage with less effort :( Why spoof when you have 1000 machines pumping 1 packet per second? (or 10) leaving the spoofing option open for future generations of

Re: dcom worm released

2003-08-14 Thread Len Rose
Some people have mistakenly assumed I was talking about the exploit and berated me for being a week out of date.. To clarify -- I'm talking about a worm based around the exploit. On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:34:02AM -0400, Len Rose wrote: It seems to be true.. I haven't seen any code yet

opsec IETF draft (was Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions)

2003-08-14 Thread George Jones
Randy Bush wrote: There are requirements one can make of vendors. These have been made, several times :) In fact there is an IETF working group pushing these requirments now, Mr. Bush could provide the details that have slipped my addled brain. it is not a wg. but there is a draft

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 13, 2003, at 21:38 Europe/Amsterdam, Crist Clark wrote: Cool. So if you use private ports, you'll be totally protected from the Internet nasties (and the Internet protected from your broken or malicious traffic) in the same way RFC1918 addressing does the exact same thing now

Re: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
Gerald wrote: We all hedged bets that Cisco was going to absorb the CSS and just make it a software feature on the Catalyst switches. I haven't heard of that actually happening yet though. No, but there is some interesting new functionality in the latest revs of IOS which look awefully

Re: AOL breaking dns spoof protection

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Petri Helenius) writes: I´m constantly seeing responses to queries for AOL servers which come in from different IP addresses than the query was sent to. due to the weakness of the 16-bit query id field, bind will throw that stuff away. the source address and port has to

Re: Stats of Internet connection speeds

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Cannon
Please look here http://www.cybertelecom.org/statistics.htm and here http://www.cybertelecom.org/broadband.htm -B --- Minseok Kwon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can get the recent statistics of Internet connection speeds? Specifically, I need statistics for edge link

RE: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Matthew Kaufman
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McBurnett, Jim ... I really can not image legitimate traffic on 135.. My problem with this approach is that, in 1985, you could have said I really cannot imagine legitimate traffic on port 80. (On the other hand, you could

RE: RPC errors

2003-08-14 Thread Brennan_Murphy
does anyone know if the scanning is sequential once a range is chosen or is it random within a range? e.g., 1.1.1.1 1.1.1.2 1.1.1.3 etc or 1.1.1.89 1.1.1.33 1.1.1.12 etc -Original Message- From: John Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:57 PM To: NANOG

AOL breaking dns spoof protection

2003-08-14 Thread Geo.
anyone here having problems resolving americaonline.aol.com with spoof protection enabled on their dns servers? It appears AOL via a series of cnames is specifying a non-authoritive dns server as authoritive for internet.aol.com which is where the first url is cnamed. I need a dns expert to

Re: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Jason Robertson
If you go out and spend a few thousand you can also get Allied Telesyn L2-L4 products that now support Load Balancing. Actually the rapier 24i is about $2000 Canadian. (I'd have to check the VAR pricing) Jason On 6 Aug 2003 at 22:59, Paul Vixie wrote: Using outboard appliances for

Proper Protocol for Dealing with Unresponsive Contacts?

2003-08-14 Thread Patrick Muldoon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, What is the proper way to deal with a company that is unresponsive to any form of contact. IE they have outdated information on their ip assignments, bounce every piece of e-mail that I send? (including postmaster@ which is where the

RE: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Jason Armstrong
But we digress and this horse is dead. Can we move on?

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Vixie
More and more there is less and less spoofing, its just not required and it causes more damage with less effort :( Why spoof when you have 1000 machines pumping 1 packet per second? (or 10) leaving the spoofing option open for future generations of attacks, rather than having a witch-hunt and

Re: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread John Kinsella
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:50:33PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: I second this suggestion. I worked briefly at F5 Networks in 2001 and was responsible for supporting Big-IP and 3DNS. Both are very nice products, but NOT cheap. I've used them all fairly heavily, except the Foundry gear.

RPC errors

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
I'm showing signs of an RPC sweep across one of my networks that's killing some XP machines (only XP confirmed). How wide spread is this at this time. Also, does anyone know if this is just generating a DOS symptom or if I should be looking for backdoors in these client systems? -Jack

Re: MPLS ICMP Extensions

2003-08-14 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:21:28PM -0500, Mike Bernico wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the extended MPLS info only showed up when the trace was started on a PE or P router. Is that right? I did the traceroute from a router with _NO_ mpls commands turned on, and

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
Lars Higham wrote: It's a good idea, granted, but isn't this covered by IPv6 administrative scoping? That's the network layer, not the transport layer. IPv6 scoping has the potential to be very helpful for private addressing since it's fundamentally built into the protocol, as opposed to

Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Jason Greenberg
Can I have some suggestions on how to load balance servers that are on seperate IP blocks? Is there any way to perform translation at this level? Exclude DNS based balancing please... -- Jason Greenberg, CCIE #11021 Network Administrator Execulink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [connie.davis@mail.internetseer.com: answerpointe.cctec.com]

2003-08-14 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:32:04AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Has anyone else gotten one of these? It appears they are trolling a Nanog archive on the web and sending these out to posters. *sigh* Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from internetseer.com (mail9.internetseer.com

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread John Neiberger
Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/14/03 8:29:07 AM John Markoff reports in the New York Times that Microsoft plans to change how it ships Windows XP due to the worm. In the future Microsoft will ship both business and consumer verisons of Windows XP with the included firewall enabled by

Re: AOL breaking dns spoof protection

2003-08-14 Thread Petri Helenius
I´m constantly seeing responses to queries for AOL servers which come in from different IP addresses than the query was sent to. Pete anyone here having problems resolving americaonline.aol.com with spoof protection enabled on their dns servers? It appears AOL via a series of cnames is

Re: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Steve Francis
Austad, Jay wrote: We all hedged bets that Cisco was going to absorb the CSS and just make it a software feature on the Catalyst switches. I haven't heard of that actually happening yet though. If they did that, how would they sell the CSS hardware? :) I would think that the closest you

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Drew Weaver
ipchains and similar firewalls are indeed far superior. I manage real firewalls as part of my responsibilities. However the new microsoft policy will help protect the network from Joe and Jane average who buy a PC from the closest big box store and hook it up to their cable modem so they can

Re: RPC errors

2003-08-14 Thread John Palmer
45 seconds: deny tcp any any eq 135 (5445 matches) deny tcp any any eq 137 deny tcp any any eq 138 deny tcp any any eq 139 deny tcp any any eq 445 (207 matches) - Original Message - From: Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11,

Re: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Hollis
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jason Frisvold wrote: If the blaster cannot get a proper DNS response, it continues to replicate via port 135... It then goes into a retry cycle and continues to try to get a good DNS lookup. has anyone tried tarpitting eg labrea to slow the worm? -Dan -- [-] Omae no

Re: [connie.davis@mail.internetseer.com: answerpointe.cctec.com]

2003-08-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Charles Sprickman wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Eric Germann wrote: You also have the sporadic people who say for whatever reason, I said something on NANOG I shouldn't have because now that I am unemployed from a dot bomb, when I try to get a job, they search the web and these stupid

RE: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher Chin
Today at 11:24 (-0400), Josh Fleishman wrote: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:24:53 -0400 From: Josh Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The impending DDoS storm Has anyone determined a method for triggering the DOS attack manually? We've attempted this by changing an

Re: When Security Guards Attack (was: clearblue part deux)

2003-08-14 Thread John Kinsella
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 02:09:19PM -0400, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: ... tried to silence the door audible alarm Didn't it have battery backup? Inquiring minds want to know. The door? Guess not. Reminds me of a skit from Kentucky Fried Movie, tho. :) Serously, yeah

RE: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Houle
--On Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:24:53 AM -0400 Josh Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone determined a method for triggering the DOS attack manually? We've attempted this by changing an infected machine's clock, however it did not work on our test box. If anyone has triggered the

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: I think filters/firewalls are usefull. I believe every computer should have one. I have several. I just disagree on who should control the filters. in your opinion who should control them? (just curious)

RE: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Gerald
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: If they did that, how would they sell the CSS hardware? :) That was our concern. Cisco already had hardware to do as good or better than what ArrowPoint was doing. They would suck in the intellectual property, discontinue the CSS line, and roll out a

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: At 07:02 PM 05/08/2003 +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: so long as you are sure they aren't spoofed, yes. A recent post by Rob Thomas said, I've tracked 1787 DDoS attacks since 01 JAN 2003. Of that number, only 32 used spoofed sources. I rarely

Re: When Security Guards Attack (was: clearblue part deux)

2003-08-14 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: When Security Guards Attack (was: clearblue part deux) Date: Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:19:42PM -0400 Quoting Eric Gauthier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): People laugh histerically when the evil bad guy in a movie has a button labeled Emergency Power Off that shuts everything down... They

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jared Mauch wrote: For those of you that are doing IPv6 deployments, might I suggest you also take the time to do the same?I know that Cisco has v6 u-rpf support already. but not netflow as far as i remember. -hank - Jared --

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Petri Helenius
I've been looking at out traffic graphs and trying to decide if traffic really is down 10-15% over the last 24 hours or it's just my imagination. I would say 5-10% below where it should be taking into account seasonal variations, it´s within the error margin, but barely. Pete

Re: Gigabit Media Converter

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Hughes
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Vincent J. Bono wrote: Anyone out ther ever see or hear tell of a device that will let you run two GBICs back to back wthout an associated switch and all the trimmings? Application is to convert a CWDM GBIC signal to a Multimode one. Vinny, Would something like this

RE: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread Bob German
The good ole computers as cars metaphor. In the UK: 1) In order to drive a car, you have to have a license. 2) In order to have the car on the road, you have to have it taxed and have a qualified mechanic certify it for basic road worthiness. Neither of these rules currently apply to

Is Anyone Seeing Packet Loss To Savvis?

2003-08-14 Thread Peter Rohrman
I'm getting ICMP timeouts to 2 destinations that on are on Savvis. Is anyone else seeing it? I don't have packet loss to anything else. Below is my ping to www.savvis.net and a customer that I have masked to protect the innocent :). MUSKET:8:36:56am/export/home/pete:ping -s www.savvis.net

Re: When Security Guards Attack (was: clearblue part deux)

2003-08-14 Thread Jerry Eyers
Ahhh... You don't put battery backup on a kill-all switch The idea behind it is to kill-all!! (*doh*) If you ever need to press it, you do so just before the guys-with-foam run in to douse your burning UPS... Jerry ---Original Message--- From: Eric Brunner-Williams in

Re: [connie.davis@mail.internetseer.com: answerpointe.cctec.com]

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan J. Mehl
In the immortal words of Leo Bicknell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Has anyone else gotten one of these? Dozens, and have bitbucketed them on every single mail server I can get my hands on. It appears they are trolling a Nanog archive on the web and sending these out to posters. *sigh* They may

Re: Complaint of the week: Ebay abuse mail (slightly OT)

2003-08-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:56:52 BST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1) What *immediate* benefits do you get if you are among the first to deploy? (For instance, note that you can't stop accepting plain old SMTP till everybody else deploys). You can replace complex and buggy spam filtering software

firewall == network diaper, ranting in HTML

2003-08-14 Thread neal rauhauser 402-301-9555
I've got to wonder about someone who posts a rant to nanog to begin with and I'll give you kudos for having the balls to format it in HTML as well. Below I included the text of the message sans large aqua font other HTML 'enhancements'. I think you rather missed my point - machines with

RE: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Josh Fleishman
Has anyone determined a method for triggering the DOS attack manually? We've attempted this by changing an infected machine's clock, however it did not work on our test box. If anyone has triggered the attack, do you have a copy of the sniffed data stream? It sounds like uRPF is going to be

Network Solutions and Broken E-mail Addresses

2003-08-14 Thread Leo Bicknell
Sometime recently Network Solutions seems to have stopped accepting + as a valid character in an e-mail address. Yes, I did open a ticket via their customer service people, and was given the reply that I needed to use another e-mail address. Per their web form, the only acceptable addresses are

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Randy Bush
There are requirements one can make of vendors. These have been made, several times :) In fact there is an IETF working group pushing these requirments now, Mr. Bush could provide the details that have slipped my addled brain. it is not a wg. but there is a draft being actively worked, see

Re: RPC errors

2003-08-14 Thread Dominic J. Eidson
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Jack Bates wrote: Sean Donelan wrote: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-11 The worm uses the RPC DCOM vulnerability to propagate. One it finds a vulnerable system, it will spawn a shell and use it to download the actual worm via tftp. The name of the

Re: Gigabit Media Converter

2003-08-14 Thread Wayne Bogan
Omnitron also makes these, but they're probably closer to the $1000 range. http://www.omnitron-systems.com/converters/converters.htm - Original Message - From: Stephen J Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vincent J Bono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003

RE: RPC errors

2003-08-14 Thread McBurnett, Jim
Jack, This is that RPC flaw in MicroSoft. I noticed it too.. Got about 20K in 15 hours Jim -Original Message- From: Jack Bates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:12 PM To: NANOG Subject: RPC errors I'm showing signs of an RPC sweep across one of my networks

Touchamerica

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
Hello, If there are any Touch America techs within reach of this email, could you please contact me off list. Thank you. Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc. http://www.bblabs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: The impending DDoS storm

2003-08-14 Thread Jason Frisvold
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 10:14, Ingevaldson, Dan (ISS Atlanta) wrote: It might be somewhat tricky to block TCP/80 going to windowsupdate.com. I agree... but then, who needs updates anyways.. *grin* Regards, === Daniel Ingevaldson Engineering Manager, X-Force RD

Re: Server Redundancy

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Robertson) writes: If you go out and spend a few thousand you can also get Allied Telesyn L2-L4 products that now support Load Balancing. Actually the rapier 24i is about $2000 Canadian. (I'd have to check the VAR pricing) how much would i have to pay to not have

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Mans Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus Date: Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:57:56AM +0100 Quoting Stephen J. Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Sorry I see where you're coming from on this but firewalls are more than just patches to

Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the client is behind a NAT, and the spoofed source address doesn't get through, then that's OK because it means that no application in that same location behind the NAT can use spoofed addresses. Which is important given the number of NAT setups that only perform NAT

Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Bates
John Neiberger wrote: Hmm...I didn't even know XP had a built-in firewall. Any bets on how long it is before other companies with software firewall products bring suit against Microsoft for bundling a firewall in the OS? -- No clue, but I can tell you how long it will last before ISP helpdesks

Re: RPC errors and latest worm

2003-08-14 Thread Stewart, William C (Bill), RTSLS
According to http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-11 , the worm uses the latest popular MS exploit ports, so * Close port 135/tcp (and if possible 135-139, 445 and 593) . It also uses TCP port and TFTP = UDP 69 to download its attack code after getting the initial bootstrap

Re: Gigabit Media Converter

2003-08-14 Thread Vincent J. Bono
Thanks but this wont work. We have a Specific frequency (CWDM) on one side. -vb - Original Message - From: Curtis Clan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Gigabit Media Converter I believe this is what you are

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Petri Helenius wrote: Mans Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus Date: Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:42:38PM -0400 Quoting Sean Donelan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think filters/firewalls are useful. I believe every computer

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:00:56 +0300 Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think filters/firewalls are useful. I believe every computer should have one. Firewalls are a patch to broken network application architechture. If your applications would have been properly designed,

RE: How much longer..

2003-08-14 Thread St. Clair, James
Users, both corporate and at home, need to be taught that there is no such thing as plug and play. For as much as I agree with the philosophy here, we must realize it is the wrong approach. Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to swap more parts. Wireless phones

RE: Packeteer stuff?

2003-08-14 Thread Austad, Jay
If you're looking at the Packeteer to put some limits in place based on protocol, you can take a look at Cisco's NBAR, which is supported in IOS. What kind of metrics are you looking for? Netflow type info? How fat is the pipe you want to monitor/manipulate? -jay -Original

Re: Port blocking last resort in fight against virus

2003-08-14 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen J. Wilcox) [Wed 13 Aug 2003, 10:58 CEST]: In your world DoS traffic would be free to roam the networks as it pleased without being throttled sensibly at ingress? How many people are actually following RFC3514? (In other words, how do you separate DoS traffic from

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