The comittee should realise that the question Verisign poses about
observed adverse effects, while interesting, is not as pertinent as it
seems at first sight. John Klensin put it very well yesterday in
a rigorous way. I'll offer a less rigorous but more graphical analogy:
A contractor drills
Can SLA's be used to cover this sort of thing. (starts to dig out his
own contracts).
Surely you should be able to bounce it to your upstream provider who
should deal with it for you??
Just a thought.
--
Martin Hepworth
Senior Systems Administrator
Solid State Logic Ltd
tel: +44 (0)1865
DG Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:31:45 +0200
DG From: Daniel Golding
DG 1) In a way, its fraudulent
If not mutually agreed in advance between 65000 and 65100, yes.
This is analogous to announcing more specifics from another
provider's space.
DG 2) Some folks do BGP traffic engineering tricks
Doing some research
Anyone have a list of Transit and Paid Peering exchange fabrics?
I am interested in both US and EU locations, particularly in interesting
sites like 111 8th Ave (NYC), Telehouse North (London) and other major telco
hotel type facilities.
I'll summarize for the list and
Dennis,
I'm not really looking at normal exchanges where some participants offer
transit or partial transit. I'm looking at exchange fabrics specifically set
up for the purpose of selling services, be they transit, partial transit, or
paid peering.
Most of these exchanges have web based
foro de redes has been going on since '91. the mailing list is
enredo.
And you can find them at http://www.enred.org
The mailing list link is in the upper right hand corner.
--Michael Dillon
Now this is the kind of thing that we need to combat Verisign.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/tlds/sitefinder/
The data presented here exhaustively shows that Verisign's whole business
model is flawed because they don't really control this diversion of
traffic and ISPs can and will block the
Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
A contractor drills large holes in the central structural parts of a
building to allow installation of their innovative garbage disposal.
Civil engineers question the effects this has on the building's
stability. The contractor's defense is: Well it is still standing!
Whoever is running the mailing list server linked from enred.org (
http://mailman.reacciun.ve/mailman/listinfo/enredo ) should update their Apache very
soon...
http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/5JP0G204KG.html
The requested URL /pipermail/directorio-enred/ was not found on this server.
Close :-) but a new garbage disposal in a building may still offer some
benfits to the tenants. These wildcards did not.
Keep 'em coming...
How about this, you hire a company to manage your apartment complex and find
they are using the property to run their own daily flee market, which pisses
As far as I remember Band-X (http://www.band-x.com) do this.
Dave.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Golding
To: Dennis Jewth
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08/10/03 10:11
Subject: Re: Transit and Paid Peering Exchanges
Dennis,
I'm not really looking at normal exchanges where some
The last time I looked at Band-X (about six months ago) their pricing was
ridiculous... I believe they wanted $100/Mb, on a 100Mb commit, for Aleron or HE
bandwidth. It should be noted that Band-X blocks potential buyers from learning the
actual name of a transit provider, up until the very
Draft Agenda
NANOG 29
Oct. 19-21, Chicago
Sunday Tutorials
1:30 - 3:00 p.m.Implementing a Secure Network Infrastructure (Part I)
Merike Kaeo
1:30
After attending the afternoon ICANN Security Stability Committee
meeting, I realized that the issues involved fall into several
related but independent dimensions. Shy person that I am *Cough*, I
have opinions in all, but I think it's worthwhile simply to be able
to explain the Big Picture
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Brian Bruns wrote:
So, now for the fun part. Being offsite, I wasn't the one to place the
calls, but my admin on site started with FSU's abuse desk. No help
whatsoever. Claimed that because the abuse desk was gone, they had no
authority to deal with the problem.
Wow. This guy is completely delusional.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107_2-5087746.html
I have been up for 24 hours working on a router upgrade and a simultaneous
DS3 problem so I'm in no frame of mind to respond. Perhaps one of the more
eloquent (and less tired) folks here can politely beat
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Daniel Golding wrote:
Anyone have a list of Transit and Paid Peering exchange fabrics?
Very few exchanges place any restriction upon the private commercial
arrangements between participants, any more. There are a few which
actively promote transit use, like
Has anyone ever had any luck getting an
agreement with Road Runner to use them as last mile for your customers? I've
noticed a handful of companies that are currently doing this with them, but
when you contact Road Runner they act like they don't know what you're
talking about (probably
Amazing what different context the commentary would be placed in if ZDNET
changed
By Mark McLaughlin
CNET News.com
October 7, 2003, 7:10 AM PT
to
By Mark McLaughlin
Senior VP, VeriSign
October 7, 2003, 7:10 AM PT
Because thats who he is. I realize its marked commentary but it
should be
- Original Message -
From: Robert Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Sitefinder fan - this guy needs a clue.
Wow. This guy is completely delusional.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107_2-5087746.html
That 'guy' is
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
That 'guy' is Verisign's Senior VP - he is spouting the company line. It's
pretty irresponsible of NZNet to not identify who the person is. I would
have hoped (but been highly surprised if he did) that McLauglin would have
identified himself as an
On the CNET article that ZDNET seems to have copied lock stock and barrel,
he did actually identify himself as a Verisign VP in the by line. As such,
I think this is ZD's fault, not McLaughlin's. I don't have any love lost
for Verisign, but, I think we need to be very careful to stick to
Forwarding by request. Please direct replies to John Fraizer.
Forwarded Message
Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2003 11:41 AM -0400
From: John Fraizer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL
At 9:29 AM -0700 10/8/03, Owen DeLong wrote:
On the CNET article that ZDNET seems to have copied lock stock and barrel,
he did actually identify himself as a Verisign VP in the by line. As such,
I think this is ZD's fault, not McLaughlin's. I don't have any love lost
for Verisign, but, I think
(top posting because I'm citing a fairly lengthy chunk of Howard's
dissertation below)
This is a really good, dispassionate summation, in my personal opinion.
I would like to comment on issue #2...
Granting solely for the sake of argument that there was no legal
obstacle to Verisign's action,
-- On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 11:07 -0400
-- Mike Tancsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote:
Amazing what different context the commentary would be placed in if ZDNET
changed
By Mark McLaughlin
CNET News.com
October 7, 2003, 7:10 AM PT
to
By Mark McLaughlin
Senior VP, VeriSign
October 7, 2003,
Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/8/03 10:29:15 AM
On the CNET article that ZDNET seems to have copied lock stock and
barrel,
he did actually identify himself as a Verisign VP in the by line. As
such,
I think this is ZD's fault, not McLaughlin's. I don't have any love
lost
for Verisign, but,
At 01:52 PM 08/10/2003, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
-- On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 11:07 -0400
-- Mike Tancsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote:
Amazing what different context the commentary would be placed in if ZDNET
changed
By Mark McLaughlin
CNET News.com
October 7, 2003, 7:10 AM PT
to
By
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
True, and I completely agree. However, the bottom of the article says:
biography
Mark McLaughlin is senior vice president and deputy general manager of
VeriSign's Naming and Directory Services Division, which is responsible for
running the
At 02:06 PM 10/8/2003, you wrote:
Let's hope we can append not for long if they keep this stuff up. :)
The great thing about the web is a newspaper can bury its mistakes without
having to admit it in the Corrections page.
ZD.NET has modified the article the originally posted. ZD.NET added the
Both here and in private mail, people have been talking about
Verisign's view of the process. Unfortunately, I was only able to
attend the afternoon part of yesterday's ICANN ISSC committee meeting.
But Declan McCullough was there, and picked up an interesting quote
from Verisign:
By Declan
I have gotten a reasoned response from the technology editor of the
Washington Post, and we are discussing things. While I wouldn't have
done it that way, he had a rational explanation of why the story was
written the way it was, and definitely indicating there will be
continuing coverage of
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
Gomes' position truly bothers me if a registry, given that it meets
the formal definition of a technical monopoly, is planning around
competitive advantage.
I think its definately a sign that the verisign hegemony over domain
registration needs
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I have gotten a reasoned response from the technology editor of the
Washington Post, and we are discussing things. While I wouldn't have
done it that way, he had a rational explanation of why the story was
written the way it was, and definitely indicating there will
At 2:51 PM -0400 10/8/03, Dean Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
VeriSign's vice president for its registry service. Citing concerns
of proprietary information and competitive advantage, he added that
he didn't think he could guarantee any advance notice of similar
At 11:56 AM -0700 10/8/03, Eliot Lear wrote:
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I have gotten a reasoned response from the technology editor of the
Washington Post, and we are discussing things. While I wouldn't
have done it that way, he had a rational explanation of why the
story was written the way
In these days of corporate malfeasance scandal coverage, you'd think that
Verisign's tactics would have whetted the appetite of some bright
investigative reporter for one of the major publications.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I have gotten a reasoned response from the
At 03:06 PM 08/10/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In these days of corporate malfeasance scandal coverage, you'd think that
Verisign's tactics would have whetted the appetite of some bright
investigative reporter for one of the major publications.
Too difficult and obscure a topic to make
-- On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 14:19 -0400
-- Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote:
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
http://news.com.com/2100-1038-5088128.html
I don't want to go beyond the agenda, replied Chuck Gomes,
VeriSign's vice president for its registry
-- On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 15:28 -0400
-- Mike Tancsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote:
At 03:06 PM 08/10/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In these days of corporate malfeasance scandal coverage, you'd think that
Verisign's tactics would have whetted the appetite of some bright
In these days of corporate malfeasance scandal coverage, you'd think that
Verisign's tactics would have whetted the appetite of some bright
investigative reporter for one of the major publications.
For all that I'm critical of wildcards in TLDs -- I spoke at the
meeting yesterday, and my
Associated Press at
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2003/10/08/experts_describe_site_finder_problems/
I am talking with the reporter, Ted Bridis. Associated Press
reporters are under about as tough a deadline as TV, so it's a good
fast first pass.
At 3:54 PM -0400 10/8/03, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In these days of corporate malfeasance scandal coverage, you'd think that
Verisign's tactics would have whetted the appetite of some bright
investigative reporter for one of the major publications.
For all that I'm critical of wildcards in TLDs
From Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Fifth Edition:
malfeasance / mal'fi:z(schwa)ns/ noun. L17.
[Anglo-Noramn malfaisance, from mal- MAL- + Old mod. French
faisance: see FEASANcE. Cf. MISFEASANCE]
LAW. Evildoing, illegal action; an illegal act; spec. official
misconduct by a public servant.
I
Steve,
Per American Heritage Dictionary:
mal·fea·sanceMisconduct or wrongdoing, especially by a public official.
That's not the same as dishonesty.
In any event, the problem is not that the semantics of the word are wrong in
this case, but that using the word just serves to inflame. I
Does anyone know where to find old Lorain Rectifier manuals
(Specifically model #A50F50)? Google (groups and www) turns up nothing.
(A PDF would be nice, but I don't have my fingers crossed)
--
/-
Marius Strom |
Does anyone know where to find old Lorain Rectifier manuals
I got my RL100F50 manual directly from Marconi, for free. Try calling
800-800-5260.
--
Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299
Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax:
Steve, et al:
There may be issues of collateral damage.
While Microsoft and Verisign battle one another
for the advertising revenue available from intercepting typographical
errors,
innocent third parties may have to repeatedly pay to modify their software.
The Verisign interception mechanism
-- On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 14:08 -0700
-- Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] supposedly wrote:
In any event, the problem is not that the semantics of the word are wrong
in this case, but that using the word just serves to inflame. I was
particularly heartened that yesterday's meeting was
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
Associated Press at
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2003/10/08/experts_describe_site_finder_problems/
I am talking with the reporter, Ted Bridis. Associated Press
reporters are under about as tough a deadline as TV, so it's
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:44:26 +0100
Martin Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can SLA's be used to cover this sort of thing. (starts to dig out his
own contracts).
Surely you should be able to bounce it to your upstream provider who
should deal with it for you??
Just a thought.
At 2:51 PM -0400 10/8/03, Dean Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
VeriSign's vice president for its registry service. Citing concerns
of proprietary information and competitive advantage, he added that
he didn't think he could guarantee any advance
Due to the efficiency of our upstream provider's abuse department,
opening efficiently at 8 am and closing just as efficiently at 5 pm
(because we all know network abuse only occurs between 8 and 5), the ISP
wasn't going to be of much help with an attack that started at 6:30pm
localtime.
rant style=moaning and useless context=naive
I really don't give a ^H^H^H^H!H * !X *!X about what timeframe abuse departments
operate. I just want more upstreams (or specifically my upstreams) to have a community
that I can announce a /32 to null.
/rant
-hc
--
Haesu C.
TowardEX
Haesu wrote:
rant style=moaning and useless context=naive
I really don't give a ^H^H^H^H!H * !X *!X about what timeframe abuse departments
operate. I just want more upstreams (or specifically my upstreams) to have a
community that I can announce a /32 to null.
/rant
Seems like
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ken emery
Sent: October 8, 2003 6:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More news coverage
I think the thing which needs to be gotten across to the
general public (and the decision makers)
I'm rapidly beginning to believe this is equivalent to finding the
pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. When my broadband alternative
is Verizon and it's looking better, this is scary.
Sometime today, their SMTP server started bouncing messages with more
than 3 addressees. When I called
- Original Message -
From: Vivien M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'ken emery' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: More news coverage
But isn't the SiteFinder service just VeriSign Marketing's name for the
wildcard A record? What's the
-Original Message-
From: Paul G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 8, 2003 8:38 PM
To: Vivien M.; 'ken emery'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More news coverage
- Original Message -
From: Vivien M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'ken emery' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
At 5:23 PM -0700 10/8/03, David Schwartz wrote:
Is it possibly time to suggest that perhaps ICANN should
call for formal separation of regiSTRAR functions from
regiSTRY functions, and stipulate that stewards of record
for regiSTRY functions not participate in regiSTRAR roles?
Already done --
I would call it dishonest. An analogy might be the curator for the Louvre
walking right up to the Mona Lisa in broad daylight, taking it, selling it
for personal gain, then, when questioned by incredulous onlookers, calmly
stating that it is his property to sell.
Bold, yes, honest?
On Wed, 8
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Paul G wrote:
they could try to get some legitimate traffic as , say, google or yahoo do
by providing a valuable service. if it is as valuable as they claim, users
will keep coming back.
pg
Apparently even Verisign doesn't think it's a very valuable or
legitimate
An entity claiming to be Vivien M. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:
: But for most endusers who are using IE, they already get the MS search page?
: And who is actually going to manually go to sitefinder and type in their
: typoed URLs, especially when they're already used to Google or similar?
:
:
Forwarding to NANOG on behalf of Mr. Fraizer.
Please don't shoot the messenger for any arguable/discussions.
-hc
--
Haesu C.
TowardEX Technologies, Inc.
Consulting, colocation, web hosting, network design and implementation
http://www.towardex.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cell: (978)394-2867 |
I think it speaks volumes, and not in a positive way, that even ICANN
and other organizations entrusted with the management of the internet
can't figure out that documents should be published in an OPEN
standard format.
Owen
--On Wednesday, October 8, 2003 9:56 PM -0400 Steven M. Bellovin
[EMAIL
I was able to view all of the .ppt's with openoffice.org running on
RedHat 9.
Curtis
On Thursday 09 October 2003 00:29, the council of elders heard Owen
DeLong mumble incoherently:
I think it speaks volumes, and not in a positive way, that even
ICANN and other organizations entrusted with
On 9 Oct 2003, at 00:32, Curtis Maurand wrote:
I was able to view all of the .ppt's with openoffice.org running on
RedHat 9.
Just because the file formats have been reverse engineered, it doesn't
mean they're open.
FWIW, mine were entirely in OpenOffice, so the PPT conversion may be sort of
messed up. OpenOffice (.sxi) and PDF (not really 'open' either, but somewhat
more portable) available at http://www.fluffysheep.com/icann-secsac/
But Steve's presentation was much better, so read his instead :)
Try to match the quotes up with the actions.
Postel gave no prior notification that the test would take place, a
fact that drew criticism.
It's caused a good deal of uncertainty and perceived instability in
the system, said Chris Clough, a spokesman for Network
Solutions, which
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