Why vendors feel the need to design route
processors which are barely upgradable in RAM, not upgradable in
processing power, and at best 24-36 months behind the times of the
technology the Dell Interns are pushing for $499, is beyond me.
It's called profit margins.
The thing that surprises me
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thing that surprises me is that there aren't any small
vendors offering fairly generic routing boxes, i.e. Intel-based
motherboard, lots of RAM, BSD/Linux base OS with Zebra for
routing and some of the many PCI cards supporting T1 and
DS3 circuits (not to forget
michael,
imagestream does this, afaik. not too familiar with their offerings though.
paul
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: /24s run amuck
Why vendors feel the need to design route
processors
The thing that surprises me is that there aren't any small
vendors offering fairly generic routing boxes, i.e. Intel-based
imagestream does this, afaik. not too familiar with their offerings
though.
I stand corrected. The following page comparing Cisco and Imagestream
is quite interesting.
Sprint and a few others used to filter on /19s, 'cause that's what
ARIN others handed out. They changed that to /20s when the rules
changed. Sprint gave that up.
The filtering was done on the /18 because that was what I expected we
could easily afford to support in terms of memory and
I intend to give them a serious look: they sound like
they could make good CPE for about 75% of my
customers...
(and of course, ssh v2 is a big plus :)
-David Barak
-Fully RFC 1925 Compliant-
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http://www.imagestream.com/Cisco_Comparison.html
How many of you
Does anyone have data on the capacity of a c1700 using a T1 csu/dsu. I
have a customer who backhauls several sites into a c1700. I suspect that
it is or will soon reach capacity and should be upgraded. I need hard
proof to that point.
Tracey Webb
Network Operations
Cameron Communications, LLC
Does anyone have data on the capacity of a c1700 using a T1 csu/dsu.
The most I've run through one is four T1s and one FastE. No problem to
pass 50K pps.
I have a customer who backhauls several sites into a c1700. I
suspect that it is or will soon reach capacity and should be
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om, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The thing that surprises me is that there aren't any small
vendors offering fairly generic routing boxes, i.e. Intel-based
imagestream does this, afaik. not too familiar with their offerings
though.
I stand corrected. The following
imagestream does this, afaik. not too familiar with their offerings
though.
I stand corrected. The following page comparing Cisco and Imagestream
is quite interesting.
http://www.imagestream.com/Cisco_Comparison.html
How many of you would buy an Imagestream box to evaluate for
your
If anyone on the list is employed by Google please contact me ASAP. I've
sent emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and haven't gotten a response. There's
nothing on the NOC list for Google.
Thanks,
-Dave
At a certain time, now past [Jan.14.2004-01:36:08PM -0500], [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake
thusly:
If anyone on the list is employed by Google please contact me ASAP. I've
sent emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and haven't gotten a response. There's
nothing on the NOC list for Google.
Don't know if
This was always a bad practice.
One of the major networks to do this is Gone. Another had rewritten their
policy to say something along the lines of should advertise X amount of
address space in aggregate or the equivalent. I don't think anyone still
measures by prefixes alone. It was always the
Sadly, the type of person that public shame would work on, is the type of
person that is already taking care of the problem, or will be soon.
There is one mechanism for helping to solve this. Is there an RFC,
informational or otherwise that clearly specifies that BGP announcements to
peers and
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I stand corrected. The following page comparing Cisco and Imagestream
is quite interesting.
http://www.imagestream.com/Cisco_Comparison.html
How many of you would buy an Imagestream box to evaluate for
your next network buildout?
I've been
Hi all -
Restrictive Peering Policies: The Great Debate
---
Monday Evening at the upcoming Peering BOF at NANOG 30 in Miami we are
trying something new: at the beginning of the Peering BOF there will be A
Great Debate on the topic
At 03:36 PM 1/14/2004, Daniel Golding wrote:
Sadly, the type of person that public shame would work on, is the type of
person that is already taking care of the problem, or will be soon.
There is one mechanism for helping to solve this. Is there an RFC,
informational or otherwise that clearly
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.imagestream.com/Cisco_Comparison.html
How many of you would buy an Imagestream box to evaluate for
your next network buildout?
For a relatively simple end-user BGP customer, it works fine. And the
nice thing is it's PC-type
If you have had any experiences, good or bad, with Imagestream, please
contact me off-list (or here). I would appreciate any or all of your
collective input.
Thank you,
Shawn
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Senior Network Engineer / Systems Design
IHETS / ITN
317.263.8875 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: o) This may be fixed but I found it slow to update the kernel routing table
: which isnt designed to take 12 routes being added at once
:
: Icky, could perhaps cause issues if theres a major reconvergence due to an
: adjacent backbone router failing etc, might be okay tho
This is the
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Have been discussing PCs for a bit but as yet not deployed one, as I
understand it a *nix based PC running Zebra will work pretty fine but
has the constraints that:
o) It has no features - not a problem for a lot of purposes
Which no features?
On 14 Jan 2004, at 17:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Have been discussing PCs for a bit but as yet not deployed one, as I
understand it a *nix based PC running Zebra will work pretty fine but
has the constraints that:
o) It has no features - not a
: Which no features? I haven't played with zebra yet, but my
: understanding is that it supports a large subset of the IOS BGP config
: language including application of route-maps to incoming/outgoing routes,
: and therefore things like prepending, setting metrics or preference, etc.
: Am
: Be real carfull with Zebra, I got stung big time !!!
What I run is actually Quagga, despite saying Zebra.
Would you share your experiences ?
James Edwards
Routing and Security
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At the Santa Fe Office: Internet at Cyber Mesa
Store hours: 9-6 Monday through Friday
505-988-9200
almost all times I hear people saying there is problem with Zebra or Quagga,
more than half of all times it is problem with their OS, not the daemon.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 05:00:06PM -0700, james wrote:
: Be real carfull with Zebra, I got stung big time !!!
What I run is actually
Hey everyone, I've been trying to come up with an
algorithm to describe the assignment of IP subnets.
I have something in a proof of concept form that
will break a block of addresses into subnets at
a user's request. The thing is that the assignments
it makes are provably optimal. Within the
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To: james [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Danny Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)
almost all times I hear people saying there is problem with Zebra
... and we care because? the router is a black box. if the output is not
what is expected, it matters not why. though understandable, it is still not
acceptable. /imho
and you blame zebra ?
if an equipment / vendor you have on your network is not acceptable, do what is
acceptable such as
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To: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; james [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Danny
Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)
... and we care
no, i blame the solution. if fans in my switch keep dying, i blame the
manufacturer of the switch for picking an unreliable fan manufactuer, not
the manufacturer of the fan alone.
wrong. more than half of all problems i hear, the _fan_ is the OS or the
implementation by user, not
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; james [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Danny
Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)
no, i blame the
almost all times I hear people saying there is problem
with Zebra or Quagga, more than half of all times it
is problem with their OS, not the daemon.
and we care because? the router is a black box. if the
output is not what is expected, it matters not why.
though understandable, it is
Have been discussing PCs for a bit but as yet not deployed one, as I
understand it a *nix based PC running Zebra will work pretty fine but
has the constraints that:
o) It has no features - not a problem for a lot of purposes
This isnt necessarily a problem for what I have in mind
It
Hey everyone, I've been trying to come up with an
algorithm to describe the assignment of IP subnets.
I have something in a proof of concept form that
will break a block of addresses into subnets at
a user's request. The thing is that the assignments
it makes are provably optimal.
The main issues I have with zebra are:
1. The need to install an OS on the host.
2. The need to harden it.
3. The possible hard disk failure (having *nix on ATA flash is no better
given the actual limits in the number of times one can write to flash).
There are linux and freebsd
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Getting to 1mpps on a single router today will probably be hard. However,
I've been considering implementing a clustered router architecture,
should scale pps more or less linearly based on number of PCs or
routing nodes involved. I'm not sure if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
o) lack of unified tools to configure and manage:
Each of those tools has varied degrees of documentation,
different configuration interface, vastly different
'status' interface, different support mailing lists, etc.
It is much easier for a given organization to
Not that I am pitching Zebra/Quagga/Gated/a brand of chewing gum/...
The main issues I have with zebra are:
1. The need to install an OS on the host.
2. The need to harden it.
These are also part of having access to more features. If you can use them.
3. The possible hard disk failure (having
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 08:06:50PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... and we care because? the router is a black box. if the output is not
what is expected, it matters not why. though understandable, it is still not
acceptable. /imho
and you blame zebra ?
There are so many many many
OSPF and ISIS, etc redistribution is a Zebra/etc function and I am told
it is pretty good at these functions.
multilink PPP? With spanning tree on multiple VLANs? With peer groups?
Most of these are OS functions, but I believe they support peer groups
in the later editions of the
One problem is that with Cisco, unless you are buying the largest
platforms available, each Cisco series uses different underlying
hardware with different performance characteristics and images. You need
to keep track of lots of separate images and versions when doing
upgrades. With a
On the topic of PC routers, I've fully given in to the zen
of Randy Bush. I FULLY encourage my competitor to use
them. :)
actually, i stole it from mike o'dell.
he also said something on the order of let's not bother to
discuss using home appliances to build a global network.
randy
He also said that Internet is growing by 1000% a year.
In fact I think that it is an extremely bad idea to use clusters of
enterprise boxes to build a global network.
--vadim
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Randy Bush wrote:
On the topic of PC routers, I've fully given in to the zen
of Randy
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
o) On a standard PCI but your limit is about 350Mb, you can increase that to a
couple of Gb using 64-bit fancy thingies
The limit is not megabit/s, it's packet per second (or rather, interrupts
per second). I-mix the average might be 350
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:34:00AM +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
o) On a standard PCI but your limit is about 350Mb, you can increase that to a
couple of Gb using 64-bit fancy thingies
The limit is not megabit/s, it's packet per second
I also think that it is extremely important to seperate what you can do
with a redhat cd and a dream from what someone can do with PC hardware.
Absolutely correct ;)
The bottom line is: You are only going to get so much performance when
you forward packets through a box which is processing
--On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:36 PM -0500 Daniel Golding
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is one mechanism for helping to solve this. Is there an RFC,
informational or otherwise that clearly specifies that BGP announcements
to peers and transit providers must be aggregated to the greatest
I didn't say that I did it, but having a server with a backup OS image
in case your flash-drive fails isn't the worst thing in the world.
Especially for a remotely-adminstered POP.
How many flash drives will fail due to overwrite in a year? 1 per 1000?
if even? Its an absurd solution for an
I didn't say that I did it, but having a server with a backup OS image
in case your flash-drive fails isn't the worst thing in the world.
Especially for a remotely-adminstered POP.
Possibly I misunderstood your words: There's no problem having
backup image from network, but there's a
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 06:09:09PM -0800, bill is rumored to have said:
on ftp.isi.edu/pub/bill/tree-2.1.5.tar.gz
is a nifty tool.
for the record, it's tree-2.1.5.tar.Z
handy - thanks for the link.
--bill
Steve
--
In any contest between power and patience, bet on
Hi Sean, long time no spar. :)
Going to Miami? I'll buy you a drink.
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TTFN,
patrick
On Jan 14, 2004, at 7:14 AM, Sean M.Doran wrote:
Unfortunately there has been a macroeconomic cost to the growth of
background noise in the Internet -- and the noise is still there --
which has made the
Preamble: We run a colocation center. We sell power to customers.
Question: We are looking for something that sits in the PDUs or branch
circuit-breaker distribution load centers, that, on a branch-circuit by
branch-circuit basis, can monitor amperage, and be queried by SNMP.
Considering there
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