RE: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Michel Py
Deepak Jain wrote: With a network boot OS for each POP, you can do version control much much more easily. This is seriously flawed, IMHO. I'd encourage my competitors to do it: after the master image gets corrupted all it takes is a bozo tripping the right circuit breaker and the entire POP

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
There is one more interesting problem. Let's, say, you install PC with ZEBRA and have all 120,000 prefixes. Internet is _internet_, sometimes people make a crazy things, and create a bad (misconfigured, or very long, or very unusual) announces. Some announces are fatal for Cisco IOS, some for

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may find it interesting that both Linux and FreeBSD now have interrupt coalescing, and www.hipac.org is building a compiled ruleset. grep usec_delay /sys/most/any/nic/driver/*.c Eddy -- Brotsman Dreger, Inc. -

RE: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Michel Py
Alexei Roudnev wrote: Purchase SuperMicro U1 server, with 2 9 Gb SCSI disks (hot swappable). Suddenly that cheap router ain't cheap anymore. Now, say, announce A crash Cisco IOS. 99.9% Internet backbones are Ciscos, so this announce breaks few Ciscos around and die - so you never know

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Neil J. McRae
This year is the 10 year aniversary of Demon using NetBSD/GateD to talk BGP4 to Sprint, Pipex, JANET and GBNet on Sparc IPX and i486/DX2/66 boxes, 20,000 routes at the time as I recall. [10,000 new routes a year ?] PC's as routers is a good way to save a few pounds [dollars!] only if you don't

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Neil J. McRae
It is not a joke - we had such scenario few years ago (it was 'gated vs Cisco and WellFreet vs Cisco'). And such scenario make Juniper back-bone a little dangerous (but I believe that JUNIPER debugged such problems long ago, so it is not a case today). Yes this has happened a few times, also

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Neil J. McRae
This also is flawed, IMHO. What if you want to do queing or QOS based on BGP? That doesn't make any sense. You could only do the signalling for such a requirement in BGP and that isn't too hard to implement but the actual work to do QoS/queuing are in the kernel/OS/architecture irrespective

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
If someone were to take *half* the software innovations which have been made over the past 15 years (a decent fib, interrupt coalescing, compiled packet matching rulesets, etc) and applied them as if they knew something about networking and coding, they could very easily produce a box using off

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
he also said something on the order of let's not bother to discuss using home appliances to build a global network. Hmm actually I'm not so sure, the trend has been the opposite .. lots of PCs instead of mainframes and dumb terminals and the Internet itself has been about spreading out the

RE: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread David Barak
--- Michel Py [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have vendor C or vendor J, and all vendor C or J routers crap out at the same time, you're safe. Yes, you were down but so was half of the rest of the world, so it's obviously not your fault but vendor C or J's fault. Michel. But this

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Scott McGrath
Concur with you need wattage not amperage. There is a 'relatively' cheap method of doing this however local electrical codes may put a damper on this type of project. You put a current transformer on each branch circuit. A 'typical' current transformer will generate 1Millivolt per

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Concur with you need wattage not amperage. There is a 'relatively' cheap method of doing this however local electrical codes may put a damper on this type of project. You put a current transformer on each branch circuit.

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Randy Bush
He also said that Internet is growing by 1000% a year. we're adding a DS3 per day [to the network] and, at the time, both statements were true. randy

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Richard J. Sears
Hi Alex, We monitor almost 400 20amp and 30amp 110V and 208V circuit breakers in our data center in San Deigo. We utilize a system called Data Trax which is tied into our Remote Power Panels and monitoring gear made by a company called Invensys. Our power comes from our UPSs, ties into redundant

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread doug
I'd like to find some small, cheap ammeters. I only need a readable analog dial for current, no SNMP or anything fancy. I'd like to be able to hardwire one to each individual circuit going into the racks. Anyone know a candidate? Thanks, Doug

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:17:56AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to find some small, cheap ammeters. I only need a readable analog dial for current, no SNMP or anything fancy. I'd like to be able to hardwire one to each individual circuit going into the racks. Anyone know a

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:40:54AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know a model number? I can't seem to find anything like this on radioshack.com. (cc'd to nanog ..) Shoot, I should have looked first. I can't find it either. I found the note from January 2003 where I heard about it,

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
Hmm; home equipment is, in many cases, much better than _industrial one_, if you concern about price/perfoamce . Good example - HD disks. Industrial SCSI disks are 2 steps behind home, IDE, ones. Home made computer is, in many cases, much better than industrial SERVER, from DELL. Reason is

RE: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Ejay Hire
Repairclinic.com has the Kill-a-watt meter for ~40.00. Goes up to 15 amps, but requres a unplug-plug making it questionable for data center use. http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1012487Acc=1 -e -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: Looking for power metering equipment...

2004-01-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Mark E. Mallett wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:40:54AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know a model number? I can't seem to find anything like this on radioshack.com. (cc'd to nanog ..) Shoot, I should have looked first. I can't find it either. I found the note from

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Deepak Jain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't say that I did it, but having a server with a backup OS image in case your flash-drive fails isn't the worst thing in the world. Especially for a remotely-adminstered POP. Possibly I misunderstood your words: There's no problem having backup image from

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Randy Bush
traffic doubled and tripled in a year, it didn't go 10x. actually, at the time, mo said doubled every nine months. and it did. randy

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread james
: It seemed that zebra was not following the RFC for OSPF. This would be one advantage to Quagga over Zebra. It is my understanding there have been many changes in Quagga to OSPF to make it standards compliant. James Edwards Routing and Security [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the Santa Fe Office:

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Vadim Antonov
I can project a nearly infinite rate of growth in my personal income when I deposit a $3.95 rebate check. It's a matter of defining the sampling period. The truth is, that kind of creative statistics is exactly what allowed Worldcom (and the rest of the telecom) to get into the deep pile of

RE: c1700 router

2004-01-15 Thread Bill Woodcock
Check out http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/tools/quickreference/routerperforma nce.pdf The most I've run through one is four T1s and one FastE. No problem to pass 50K pps. Note that their claims vis-a-vis the 1760 were written by the 2600 group. Who also claim that

Re: /24s run amuck

2004-01-15 Thread Simon Leinen
Frank Louwers writes: On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 04:12:13PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Filtering on a /20 or whatever (up to /24) is a bad thing because RIPE (and maybe APNIC) actually gives out /24 PI space, that comes out of RIPE's /8's, not your upstream's /20 or /16 or /whatever...

interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Eric Kuhnke
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/2147220 RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Eyas S. Al-Hejery, PhD, may be the only computer geek in Saudi Arabia to have had the eyes of the world focus on his work. That's because he's head of the country's Internet Service Unit, which runs the country's

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Chris Brenton
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 17:11, Eric Kuhnke wrote: And if he fails, what with the fact that sending all Internet traffic in the whole country through a single chokepoint obviously creates a single point of failure, all Net traffic in Saudi Arabia stops. Not sure if its still the same setup,

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Chris Brenton wrote: On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 17:11, Eric Kuhnke wrote: And if he fails, what with the fact that sending all Internet traffic in the whole country through a single chokepoint obviously creates a single point of failure, all Net traffic in Saudi Arabia stops. Not sure if its

New IPv4 Allocation to ARIN

2004-01-15 Thread Steve Conte
Greetings, This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated 70/8 to ARIN. For a full list of IANA IPv4 allocations please see: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space. Thanks, Steve --- Steve Conte - IANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP KeyID: 0x0972C473

Uunet/MCI communities

2004-01-15 Thread Ejay Hire
Hi all. Can A Uunet/Mci person please unicast me a copy of the communities you can send? I need to do some traffic shifting and I'd like to as-prepend all mci peer routes while leaving the mci customer routes unscathed. Tier 1 support reccomended I contact the DNS group which seems a little

Re: Uunet/MCI communities

2004-01-15 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
Trolling through some of my saved messages shows that this information may be found at: whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infopage.cary.cw.net/Routing_Registry/communities.htm On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 05:45:34PM -0600, Ejay Hire wrote: Hi all. Can A Uunet/Mci person please unicast

Re: Uunet/MCI communities

2004-01-15 Thread Phil Rosenthal
On Jan 15, 2004, at 6:54 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: Trolling through some of my saved messages shows that this information may be found at: whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infopage.cary.cw.net/Routing_Registry/communities.htm On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 05:45:34PM -0600, Ejay Hire wrote: Can A

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Randy Bush
i was helping get the link up into kacst (their nsf equivalent) in ryadh back in '94, and a rather grownup friend there, Abdulaziz A. Al Muammar, who had his phd from the states and all that, explained it to me something like this way. yes, to a westerner, our ways of shielding our society

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Steve Carter
There is a price to pay for freedom. I would prefer to receive (or have to personally control) all the nastiness that appears in my inbox than give up any of my Internet freedoms. But that is my opinion of what is right for me. That, however, does not answer your question. My answer is that

Third Level domains patented?

2004-01-15 Thread Scott Call
http://news.com.com/2100-1038-5141810.html?tag=nefd_hed According to the article, somebody maanged to patent the selling of www.something.somethng.com. Which seems a bit assanine to me, since the ISP I worked for in 1993 offered custoemrs www.customer.ccnet.com. As much as I dislike Verisign,

ARIN to allocate from 70.0.0.0/8

2004-01-15 Thread Leslie Nobile
Hello- ARIN received the IPv4 address block 70.0.0.0/8 from the IANA on Jan. 15, 2004. In the near future, ARIN will begin making allocations from this new block. This will include allocations of /20 and shorter prefixes, according to ARIN's minimum allocation policy. You may wish to adjust

Re: Third Level domains patented?

2004-01-15 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
The equivalant notice and responsive observation was made on the registrar's list a few days ago. Eric

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Randy Bush wrote: i was helping get the link up into kacst (their nsf equivalent) in ryadh back in '94, and a rather grownup friend there, Abdulaziz A. Al Muammar, who had his phd from the states and all that, explained it to me something like this way. yes, to a

RE: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread H. Michael Smith, Jr.
For the record... I have first hand knowledge that KSA's filtering is not too effective. I'll abstain from the ethics/moral discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vadim Antonov Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:35 PM To: Randy

Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 2004-01-16, Vadim Antonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Installing a whitelisting and challenge-response mail filer on my box [my rant about c/r elided as offtopic and beaten to death here] The solution to high offensiveness is to grow up and stop behaving like the sight of some physiological

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Nicole
On 15-Jan-04 Unnamed Administration sources reported Vadim Antonov said : On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting to 1mpps on a single router today will probably be hard. However, I've been considering implementing a clustered router architecture, should scale pps more or

RE: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering

2004-01-15 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, H. Michael Smith, Jr. wrote: For the record... I have first hand knowledge that KSA's filtering is not too effective. Good :) The more people are exposed to humanity of the Great Satan, the less they're likely to tolerate their own fanatics and zealots. --vadim

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Marius Strom
Yep, that describes the old GRF400/800 to a T. It was gated. On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Nicole wrote: I used to work with an Ascend GRF (goes real fast) Router that was nothing more than a hacked BSD os running on a hard drive at first then they moved to a flash card that controlled some custom

Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)

2004-01-15 Thread Randy Bush
I used to work with an Ascend GRF (goes real fast) Router that was nothing more than a hacked BSD os running on a hard drive at first then they moved to a flash card that controlled some custom switching hardware. yes, we tried those in beta. literally went up in flames, yes real flames.

Juno.com Mail/Abuse contact?

2004-01-15 Thread Mark Foster
Sorry again for the noise folks. Have not been able to get hold of anyone @ juno.com through normal channels. If anyone here is from juno.com Security or Abuse could you please contact me offlist please, with regard to an email delivery issue. Cheers Mark.

Re: Juno.com Mail/Abuse contact?

2004-01-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Mark Foster [16/01/04 16:19 +1300]: Sorry again for the noise folks. Have not been able to get hold of anyone @ juno.com through normal channels. If anyone here is from juno.com Security or Abuse could you please contact me offlist please, with regard to an email delivery issue. [EMAIL

SpamConference 2004

2004-01-15 Thread Michael Wiacek
Hey everyone, anyone plan on stopping by the 2004 SpamConference at MIT tomorrow? I got into Boston tonight, and man is it cold. Hopefully it will have as good a turnout this year as it did last. mike wiacek.

Re: SpamConference 2004

2004-01-15 Thread Patrick W . Gilmore
On Jan 15, 2004, at 11:42 PM, Michael Wiacek wrote: Hey everyone, anyone plan on stopping by the 2004 SpamConference at MIT tomorrow? I got into Boston tonight, and man is it cold. Hopefully it will have as good a turnout this year as it did last. I live here, and YES IT IS. Weather should be