Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread leo vegoda
Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Not yet indeed, unfortunatly. The RIR prefixes under ip6.int, at least for RIPE, seem to exist though if they don't take it up with them. RIPE does require 2 mails to marvin, one for ip6.int and one for ip6.arpa. Just to clarify, two domain objects

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Ronald van der Pol
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 00:36:19 +, Paul Vixie wrote: or just put http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt into effect. I am confused. Are DNAMEs deprecated or not (RFC3363, section 4)? rvdp

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 00:36:19 +, Paul Vixie wrote: or just put http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt into effect. I am confused. Are DNAMEs deprecated or not (RFC3363, section 4)? rvdp RFC 3363 does NOT say that DNAME

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Mark Andrews wrote: RFC 3363 does NOT say that DNAME is deprecated. All it says is that since A6 was moving the exprimental using DNAME to support renumbering is deprecated. Which part of: Therefore, in moving RFC 2874 to

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Edward Lewis
Having been present at the meeting that gave rise to the document (at the IETF meetings held in London, August 2001), I'd say that the material quoted in the document is at fault. (There was quite a lot of controversy at the meeting, perhaps my recollection isn't shared with all others. But

Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-11 Thread Curtis Maurand
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, williamatelan.net wrote: The United States is a republic, not a democracy. There's a huge difference. Are you well enough versed in the political science to define and understand the differences? If you're you'll know that there is no and never been any true

Re: animations from Making Sense of BGP talk available

2004-02-11 Thread Joe Loiacono
Cool tool! It's amazing to see BGP in action and what 'really' happens. A comment: could you define the number of prefixes a little more? E.g., is it the total imported and exported across the link, imported only, exported only, context dependent, etc. Thanks! Joe Loiacono

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Paul Vixie
or just put http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt into effect. I am confused. Are DNAMEs deprecated or not (RFC3363, section 4)? A6 and bitstring labels are deprecated. DNAME remains in full force.

RE: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Mark Segal
I'm looking for comments on whether this is generally seen as a positive change or a waste of time (ie - will the next virus or worm gleam your SMTP username and password from Outlook Express and use it to replicate/SPAM)? We are planning on moving the same way. Without a doubt, a new

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Jason McCormick
Is anyone aware of any well known mail clients that do not support SMTP authentication (Unix, Windows or Mac)? I'm not an ISP, but I know some users here who have wireless Internet on their mobile phones have complained in the past they can't send e-mail if you have SMTP AUTH only (as

Re: Where can I find a list of IPs and their regions.

2004-02-11 Thread Scott Weeks
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Arnold Nipper wrote: : On 11.02.2004 00:43 Scott Weeks wrote: : On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Matthew Crocker wrote: : : : I've look at IANA but it doesn't give enough detailed information. I : : would like to find a list of /8 or /16s and what geographic region the : : exist in.

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2004-02-11 Thread Tracey Webb
Does anyone on the list have any opinions on the adtran total access 1200 using Inverse Multiplexing over ATM. Tracey Webb Network Operations Cameron Communications, LLC 337-775-3097 Office 337-583-2097 337-493-4894 page [EMAIL PROTECTED] FCC# PG-GB-022338

Re: Where can I find a list of IPs and their regions.

2004-02-11 Thread Scott Weeks
: I'm however pursuing this issue futher and see it as that rather then : developing this into one-one relationship between ip and country, it might : be better provide several countries where there is good possibility that : this ip is being used. For example if some ip block is allocated by :

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Dave Crocker
Adi, AL We're relying exclusively on SMTP AUTH for SMTP relaying. what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from those providers, to access your server and do the auth. d/ -- Dave Crocker

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Bligh
what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from those providers, to access your server and do the auth. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ fgrep submission /etc/services submission 587/tcp # submission

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:15:20 PST, Dave Crocker said: what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from those providers, to access your server and do the auth. Port 587. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:15:20 PST, Dave Crocker said: what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from those providers, to access your server and do the auth. Port

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Will Yardley
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 03:13:30PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:15:20 PST, Dave Crocker said: what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:13:30 EST, Sean Donelan said: So is it time for ISPs to start blocking port 587 too? RFC2476 says: 3.2. Message Rejection and Bouncing MTAs and MSAs MAY implement message rejection rules that rely in part on whether the message is a submission or a relay. For

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
or just put http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt into effect. I am confused. Are DNAMEs deprecated or not (RFC3363, section 4)? A6 and bitstring labels are deprecated. DNAME remains in full force. last i heard from you, you said that DNAME would be evaluated by

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or should we just say Submit mail via webmail, let's see the ISP block *THAT*? *THAT* has been suggested, and there are vendors trying to sell boxes to ISPs that would allow them to block mail submission via webmail (or wiretap mail submission via

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Paul Vixie
... http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt ... last i heard from you, you said that DNAME would be evaluated by recursive resolver and will not be visible to end client... what changed? according to this experiment: +--- | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Lewis) writes: ... DNAME was kind of the third record in. The change in it's status pertained to the role it played in supporting bit sting labels - which is why the reverse tree is mentioned in the deprecation. Looking at the document now, the document ought to

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Daniel Senie
At 03:13 PM 2/11/2004, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:15:20 PST, Dave Crocker said: what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from those providers, to

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Mark . Andrews
Having been present at the meeting that gave rise to the document (at the IETF meetings held in London, August 2001), I'd say that the material quoted in the document is at fault. (There was quite a lot of controversy at the meeting, perhaps my recollection isn't shared with all

PING: blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net-clueful admin at ATT

2004-02-11 Thread Ben Browning
The following is an autoresponse I have been forced to make in my email client. I get, on average, 1-2 emails per week since I originally posted here asking for help with my own att.net blacklisting woes. That was in *August*. I posted this here once before, in hopes that perhaps it would get

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Daniel Senie wrote: Why, to restrain trade? To forbid people from using AUTHENTICATED services of their mail provider of choice? Why shouldn't users be able to hire an Email service provider who might have a LOT more clue about how to run email services than the broadband

RE: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Paul Vixie wrote: SNIP the type is defined and at least one authority server implementation will synthesize protocol-compliant CNAME RRs in the presence of DNAMEs, and so the approach documented at www.isc.org/pubs/tn/ will universally work OK. In that

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
... http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.txt ... last i heard from you, you said that DNAME would be evaluated by recursive resolver and will not be visible to end client... what changed? according to this experiment: +--- | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Paul Vixie
[itojun] i understand some implementation (BIND 9.3?) does this, i think it's all bind9, but certainly all bind 9.2 and later. but is the behavior documented somewhere in the set of RFCs? yes. marka just quoted all of that. for instance, does djbdns do it? does MS DNS server do it?

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 11 February 2004 16:30 -0500 Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I applaud your effort. But does it really answer the question of who is responsible for handling abuse of the service? If ISP's are not responsible for abuse using port 573, they probably don't care. I think you are

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Alex Bligh wrote: I think you are missing the point. I have lots of people abusing my port 25. They can abuse this due to the nature of the (current unadorned) SMTP protocol as I have to leave it open and unauthenticated in order to receive mail to users served by my

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 11 February 2004 19:45 -0500 Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bulk of the abuse (some people estimate 2/3's) is due to compromised computers. The owner of the computer doesn't know it is doing it. Unfortunately, once the computer is compromised any information on that computer is

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Will Yardley wrote: My understanding is that in most cases, providers are blocking port 25 outbound to prevent direct to MX spamming from their customers' machines If you do that, please put in a corresponding ACL to block port 25 inbound _and_ outbound. Otherwise, you just might get bitten by

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread Todd Vierling
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: : as a practical matter, it is impossible to ensure that all name servers : and resolvers understand DNAME. but it is very possible to ensure that : a given zone, such as 8.f.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa in ISC's case, is only : served by authority servers who

Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers

2004-02-11 Thread Lou Katz
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 03:13:30PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:15:20 PST, Dave Crocker said: what about port 25 blocking that is now done by many access providers? this makes it impossible for mobile users, coming from

Re: PING: blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net-clueful admin at ATT

2004-02-11 Thread Mark E. Mallett
--- Subject: ATTN: Anyone with RBL clue at att.net Something must be highly broken at ATT. I have been receiving tons of emails in response to a Usenet posting I made months ago asking if anyone knew how to get out of att.net's private RBL. You might try writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mm

Re: IPv6 reverse lookup - lame delegation?

2004-02-11 Thread bill
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: : as a practical matter, it is impossible to ensure that all name servers : and resolvers understand DNAME. but it is very possible to ensure that : a given zone, such as 8.f.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa in ISC's case, is only : served by authority