On 18.03.2004 05:47 Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
william(at)elan.net writes on 3/18/2004 11:03 AM:
Me thinks somebody has found a trapdoor in nanog mailsetup and is in
general out to get us ...
Have you, by any chance, heard of bcc? That isn't a bug, that's a
feature.
Have you, by any
Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, not - he is not from USA (more likely), the end.
Why people believe, that this acts means ANYTHING? In Internet, they
(acts) means NOTHING.
Unless they live in a country that has a secret treaty with the US, like
the UK has had for some years, where any US
Rachael Treu wrote:
Guys...firewall is as generic a term as any. Saying grandma needs a
router does not mean that an M20 is interchangeable with her Linksys.
You're preaching to a list with people on it who invented the terms you are
using *and* wrote the books. Stop lecturing and *listen*.
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote:
http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/
http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/
http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/
As of March 17 2004
Total personal colo listings: 36
Total providers with one or more addresses block listed: 18
The eighteen providers are sometimes
OK, I've tried to stay out of this, but...
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 01:17, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
No. let's imagine, that I have 4 hosts, without ANY security problems in
software,
Exactly how do you *prove* there are zero security problems with any of
this software? I hate to say it, but a lot
Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough
to think you know them..
^
That is the problem. Password access to a members-only
looking glass can prevent temptation and grief. And
nobody needs shell access per se because we are talking
about people who have root on their own
By Jim Hu
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
High-speed Internet service providers are increasingly putting their
customers in the security hot seat, as they try to fight recent virus
attacks that turn computers into spam factories.
[...]
Still, the question remains whether the techniques broadband
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vixie writes:
I agree, lack of interactive access to a system prior to a functional OS
being loaded always seemed like a potential problem area to me,
particularly for something based on common PC architecture.
http://www.realweasel.com/ is your friend.
Peter Galbavy wrote:
Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, not - he is not from USA (more likely), the end.
Why people believe, that this acts means ANYTHING? In Internet, they
(acts) means NOTHING.
Unless they live in a country that has a secret treaty with the US, like
the UK has had for some
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the terms are
secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals. Wonder what other
countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
How many dead soldiers from your country are buried here?
--
Requiescas in pace
- Original Message -
From: Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Email List: nanog [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Spamhaus Exposed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the US gov't is Satan going after innocent hackers in Wales?
No, but the US government
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: Without Satan, there would be no Internet for you to express your
considered opions on.
So the work at the University of London was just incidental ?
Peter
Dave Howe wrote:
cause - which is *not* true in reverse, or for any other country. Up
until recently, the US authorities would have had to make a case for
extradition and/or arrest to a UK judge before the local plod would
even be informed that there was an interest in the kid
Not that
Joshua Brady wrote:
The Child you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same
applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I suppose I am
going to hell, because I sure as hell support it.
Do you support the
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the
terms are secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals.
Wonder what other countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
How many dead soldiers from your country
This thread is making the script-kiddie name-calling look on-topic and
mature.
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:54:00 -, Peter Galbavy wrote:
Wonder what other countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
Are any leases on offer? :)
Peter Galbavy wrote:
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the
terms are secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals.
Wonder what other countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
How many dead soldiers
Joshua Brady wrote:
The Child you speak of caused destruction over a network,
the same
applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I
suppose I am
going to hell, because I sure as hell support it.
Do you
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:31AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vixie writes:
I agree, lack of interactive access to a system prior to a functional OS
being loaded always seemed like a potential problem area to me,
particularly for something
On 3/17/04 9:51 PM, Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erm, something is definately up tonight. Message is below, for those of you
who didn't want to touch this message.
I can't get to the site listed in the message, so I have no idea what its
trying to deliver exactly.
Anyone care
No, it isn't particularly evil (just more evidence the american
government thinks their laws should apply worldwide).
Well, like any tool, it's not inherently evil, it just depends how it's
used. And in all likelihood, if it's used with respect to England,
in all likelihood it'll be
If anyone from AS3215 (France Telecom Transpac) lurks here,
I'd appreciate it if they'd contact me off list.
Thanks,
- Christopher
AS25 -- UCB
==
-Joshua Brady wrote:
- The Child you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same
- applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
- questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I
-suppose I am
- going to hell, because I sure as hell support it.
-
-Do you
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Golding [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Susan Harris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: So, What Now, NANOG? Was: Request response [important]
On 3/17/04 9:51 PM, Brian Bruns
I was wondering if the wonderful members of this list could
provide their opinions regarding the traceroute below. I have contacted sprint
several times regarding this issue and their noc keeps coming back with no
trouble found. Am I barking up the wrong up the wrong tree?
Im
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the US gov't is Satan going after innocent hackers in Wales?
It still boggles my mind how prevelant this shallow, trendy attitude
is in Europe, even among supposedly educated people. Why think when
you can just join the crowd spewing ignorance, as long as it
Joe,
You are, in fact, barking up the wrong tree. The question should be ³when I
test against my destination, am I seeing packet loss and latency?².
Traceroute is not a useful tool for determining the state of an intermediate
router on a path. ICMP TTL-Exceeded messages are rate limited and not
On 2004-03-18-11:11:14, Daniel Golding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Its time to figure out what to do about this, employing a proactive
stance. The answer is not start a new mailing list. Names have
power, as they say, and NANOG has the juice. So, a few simple
proposals for people to chew
I should have provided more information. :)
I have a customer with a large citrix farm at hop 15. The customer has
several remote offices, one as far away as Japan. One of their offices has
been experiencing slow performance with their citrix connections. It's not
an issue of congestion on
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Kelly Setzer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:31AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vixie writes:
I agree, lack of interactive access to a system prior to a functional OS
being loaded always seemed like a potential
Joe Marr wrote:
the only thing I can find wrong is packetloss and
latency between hops 7 and 8.
It has nothing to do with your issue. The very fact that the next hops
do not exhibit the same problem shows that the router is processing
packets fine. This is not uncommon, might be caused by our
Heh. How appropos.
I feel it to be worth it to take pause and recognize a particular testament
to the industry proven by the abundance of network professionals (namely in
this group) speaking ardently against expropriation of network controls by
providers in the name of security.
That
Folks, let's end this thread and the renamed US Extradition rights
follow-up. They're politics, not operations.
W.D.McKinney wrote:
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:52, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I have heard rumors of a new low-end 1U Juniper router, aimed directly
at replacing the 2600/3600 series. Supposedly its code name is
Pepsi... Does anyone have more info on this? :-)
No, but hope so.
Dee
I mention this
Joshua Brady wrote:
The Child you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same
applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I suppose I am
going to hell, because I sure as hell support it.
Oh, so do I - I just
i've already removed one that was seen on ROKSO (23 listings).
i don't consider the lists you gave to be credible, but if any
of the entries in the personal colo registry show up on ROKSO or
SBL or MAPS or SORBS, you can bet i'll remove them instantly.
re:
SPEWS: 7
BLARS: 5
Hello All ,
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Kelly Setzer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:31AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
...snip...
Is there an effective alternative? All the intel servers these days
seem to have one of those handy-dandy
Realweasel is a great idea if you can afford it -- but the PCI version
lists for $350, which is as expensive as some used 1U servers on EBay.
my bet is that if you refer to nanog and www.vix.com/personalcolo when you
contact them, they'll cut you a deal. (note: i have no affiliation w/
Hi!
i've already removed one that was seen on ROKSO (23 listings).
i don't consider the lists you gave to be credible, but if any
of the entries in the personal colo registry show up on ROKSO or
SBL or MAPS or SORBS, you can bet i'll remove them instantly.
SPEWS: 7
BLARS: 5
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
Tyan ( another I can't remember now) have console forwarding to
the com1 port . This MB is available in PenguinComputing's 1u
2u systems . They run *BSD just fine as well . Hth , JimL
Many of Intel's server boards
could this be taken offlist please?
Dave Howe wrote:
Joshua Brady wrote:
The Child you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same
applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I suppose I am
going to hell, because
At 9:51 AM -0600 on 3/18/04, Kelly Setzer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:07:31AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vixie writes:
I agree, lack of interactive access to a system prior to a functional OS
being loaded always seemed like a potential problem
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Daniel Golding wrote:
Its time to figure out what to do about this, employing a proactive stance.
The answer is not start a new mailing list. Names have power, as they say,
and NANOG has the juice. So, a few simple proposals for people to chew
over...
1) Turn on list
In a message written on Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:15:19PM -0500, Joe Marr wrote:
I have a customer with a large citrix farm at hop 15. The customer has
several remote offices, one as far away as Japan. One of their offices has
been experiencing slow performance with their citrix connections. It's
This entire fiasco needs to migrate off line, please
-HenryWilliam Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
could this be taken offlist please?Dave Howe wrote: Joshua Brady wrote: The "Child" you speak of caused destruction over a network, the sameapplied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over
i've already removed one that was seen on ROKSO (23 listings).
i don't consider the lists you gave to be credible, but if any
of the entries in the personal colo registry show up on ROKSO or
SBL or MAPS or SORBS, you can bet i'll remove them instantly.
...
Even if the COLO space might
sorry for off-topic post, but..
hey paul, why are you blocking mail from 12.129.199.61 and
65.160.228.34?
The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/18/2004 10:45 AM
mail39-haw-R.bigfish.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; host
sa.vix.com[204.152.187.1] said: 553 Service
Leo Bicknell wrote
Your problem is right here:
14 urish-pitts-gw.centrepc.net (67.97.250.166) 100 msec *
100 msec NT in many configs defaults to a TCP Window size
of 8k, other NT and Server 2000 default to 16k.
This seems premature as a conclusion to me. If they don't have issues
with Japan
In a message written on Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:08:21AM -0800, Michel Py wrote:
Leo Bicknell wrote
Your problem is right here:
14 urish-pitts-gw.centrepc.net (67.97.250.166) 100 msec *
100 msec NT in many configs defaults to a TCP Window size
of 8k, other NT and Server 2000 default to
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:28:24 PST, Jay Hennigan said:
Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :)
People in the poultry business? :-)
Actually, a somewhat reasonable conclusion for a non-native speaker of English,
and a concern that *does* have to be addressed by many of the plethora of
Firewall protects other services from outside access.
A good firewall *should* be doing a whole lot more than that. It should
Do not overestimate. Firewall can make a little more than just restrict
access and inspect few (very limited) protocols.
It can not protect you from slow scans; it
hey paul, why are you blocking mail from 12.129.199.61 and
because att's abuse desk ignored me for too long.
65.160.228.34?
because sprint's abuse desk ignored me for too long.
i'll give sprint a second chance (i've removed that /16 from my personal
blackhole list and see what happens) but
Howdy folks,
One of the hats I wear is owner of the triballaw mailing list, and with that
comes other things. The BIA's network got shut down again for profoundly bad
operational practice, which of course can't be fixed by the application of
clue, as that would imply wrongdoing, lack of clue,
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 06:20:51PM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
Realweasel is a great idea if you can afford it -- but the PCI version
lists for $350, which is as expensive as some used 1U servers on EBay.
my bet is that if you refer to nanog and www.vix.com/personalcolo when you
contact
Add Haskell Indian Nations University (and all other BIA schools) to the
list.
[1] http://www.ljworld.com/section/haskellnews/story/164640
People seem to be forgetting the obvious.
Buy a 1U SPARC box. That'll do full console as you're talking about.
They're simple to connect up to your Cisco console too. Ebay for
'netra'.
1U Alphas (DS10L) are also quite nice.
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: Without Satan, there would be no Internet for you to express your
considered opions on.
Oh ye gods..
Without a certain anglo-irishman (George Boole) and a certain other
englishman (Alan Turing) (and doubtless many other people from a
whole
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 16:33, Paul Jakma wrote:
Oh ye gods..
Without a certain anglo-irishman (George Boole) and a certain other
englishman (Alan Turing) (and doubtless many other people from a
whole bunch of places), there would be no computers or electronics
for you to have built an
william(at)elan.net wrote:
FYI - if you're on windows machine DON'T TRY TO FOLLOW URL in that post
Somebody sent me a copy of the content and its vbscript that downloads an
image converts it into executable and then probably uses some bug in
microshit products to have it executed. I'm not that
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Jim Popovitch wrote:
Hog wash. You assume that only those two men could do what they
did.
I dont assume anything, history merely records they did.
If you wish to assume advances are inevitable, fine. It would apply
equally to the advance that started this silly thread,
Paul Jakma wrote:
America is undoubtedly the preeminent driving force today
economically for technological/scientific progress, as once was the
British Empire, as once was the Arab world, as once was the Roman
Empire, as once was... etc.. etc.. etc..
Yes it is off topic (what ever that turns
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Dave Howe wrote:
Oh, so do I - I just think on general principles it really should require
a judge in the serving country to rubberstamp it before the snatch and
grab takes place - or more appropriately that the case be made to a UK
judge, the child tried here and
From: Matthew Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's another varient of Bagle...
My analysis of it is at: http://www.au.sorbs.net/virus.explain.txt
- since then Symantec has release it's more detailed explaination
under the headings for Bagle.r and Bagle.s
This variant tries to
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Realweasel is a great idea if you can afford it -- but the PCI version
lists for $350, which is as expensive as some used 1U servers on EBay.
It'd be better if it had an ethernet port on it and allowed ssh access
to the console, like the remote ILO stuff on compaq
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Kelly Setzer wrote:
This is relevant, if tangential, to the current discussion on 1U colo
for remote ops/looking glass/etc.
[...]
4) One nanog member indicated that I am an idiot.
Personally, I recently priced intel server systems from a variety of major
vendors
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 15:26, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
A good firewall *should* be doing a whole lot more than that. It should
Do not overestimate. Firewall can make a little more than just restrict
access and inspect few (very limited) protocols.
If this concerns you, just use a proxy instead
Please contact me offllist asap!
-Drew
--On Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:12 AM -0800 Bill Woodcock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, like any tool, it's not inherently evil, it just depends how it's
used. And in all likelihood, if it's used with respect to England,
in all likelihood it'll be used in moderation, since England has some
-Drew
Drew Weaver writes on 3/19/2004 10:05 AM:
-Drew
The first one you posted was UUNET I think ...
May I suggest getting yourself an inoc-dba phone and checking the
inoc-dba directory first, before posting a paging $TIER-1 on nanog?
http://www.pch.net/inoc-dba/
srs
--
srs
we are assisting :) I'll rustle up someone from his other problem also
(hopefully)
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Drew Weaver writes on 3/19/2004 10:05 AM:
-Drew
The first one you posted was UUNET I think ...
May I suggest getting yourself an inoc-dba phone and
I apologize for using Nanog as my personal phone directory, however I
attempted to contact both companies using their published contact vectors
and was unsuccessful in preventing damage being done to my network.
I deeply apologize for wasting your bits.
-Drew
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