RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Alexander Hagen
I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings... Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Alexander Hagen
What about a 7505 w/ RSP4/256 and 2 VIP 2-50/128s with 4 PA-FE-TXs. For additional port density a 3550 ? What is better about the 7206 VXR ? Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation 527 Sixth Street No 371261 Montara CA 94037 Main Line: (650)-728-3375 Direct

Deadline Apr 27: Extending CALEA to IP-Enabled services

2004-04-26 Thread Sean Donelan
Verisign submitted a very nice presentaiton with pictures showing its proposal for monitoring all parts of the network including ISPs, hotels, cafes, universities, etc. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6516088289 You can search for all other

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread sthaug
I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings... It's the 7505 that's EOLed. Possibly because it doesn't sell well enough, I

Re: Providing service for geographically disparate fiber SANs ... Level3 ?

2004-04-26 Thread Lincoln Dale
Joe Schmoe, At 01:19 PM 26/04/2004, Joe Schmoe wrote: [..] So the question is, if you need to build a fiber SAN across several datacenters, do you have the ability to have a real fiber connection between all of them, or is it a virtual connection, where your fiber goes to their routers, which goes

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Alexander Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about a 7505 w/ RSP4/256 and 2 VIP 2-50/128s with 4 PA-FE-TXs. For additional port density a 3550 ? What is better about the 7206 VXR ? Fewer software bugs, simpler platform, half the vertical space in the rack, redundant power supplies,

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Alexander Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings... I think there are long-term

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Michel Py
Alexander Hagen What about a 7505 w/ RSP4/256 and 2 VIP 2-50/128s with 4 PA-FE-TXs. I would get a 7507 w/redundant RSPs and redundant PS. For additional port density a 3550 ? Even a 2650 would do What is better about the 7206 VXR ? Fewer software bugs, Not in my experience. simpler

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Petri Helenius
Robert E. Seastrom wrote: The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these same customers. How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with AGS? Pete

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread jlewis
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Michel Py wrote: Alexander Hagen What about a 7505 w/ RSP4/256 and 2 VIP 2-50/128s with 4 PA-FE-TXs. I would get a 7507 w/redundant RSPs and redundant PS. You'd get a 7507 (only if it were a choice between that or a 7505?), but then at the end of your message, you

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Rodney Dunn
Just be sure you have the VIP's that can handle any features you need or you plan to run with dCEF off and let the RSP do the work. And that's true as long as you are not running features on that platform that require dCEF. That's the most common deployment mistake I see made with the 75xx

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread jlewis
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Rodney Dunn wrote: That's the most common deployment mistake I see made with the 75xx nowadays. People want to move to dCEF to get added feature capability or either run a new feature that requires dCEF and they don't consider the extra load on the VIP CPU's that is

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Steve Gibbard
Reading this thread, it looks to me like everybody's discussing the one true router for doing BGP, without regard to any other requirements that may exist in this situation. Being able to take a full BGP table in a Cisco is simply a matter of having enough memory. We're using 1760s as the

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Rodney Dunn
In an effort to keep from getting too vendor specific on nanog I'll respond to you offline. My initial response to Alex was aimed at giving him something else to consider from a gotcha perspective along with his other requirements. Rodney On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:50:45PM -0400, [EMAIL

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 o r other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Chris Ranch
Title: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ? Steve Gibbard wrote: Being able to take a full BGP table in a Cisco is simply a matter of having enough memory. I just accidentally ran into an ugly surprise turning up some 4006/SupIV's with full

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 o r other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Chris Ranch
Title: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 o r other vendor ? Crap, sorry about the html.

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert E. Seastrom wrote: The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these same customers. How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Aside from that, though... the guts were pretty darned similar, probably identical. I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!). Yours for router necromancy and

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread David Barak
--- Michel Py [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part I missed earlier is that I think Alexander needs to buy the platform. As of today I can not recommend buying any 7500 as even the 7507 and the 7513 are going to EOL sooner or later. If you can't afford a 7603, then the 7206VXR with NPE400G

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 or other vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Michel Py
David Barak wrote: the m7i is a lot of power for not so much money, If you know of one for sale for 5K, please let me know. Rodney Dunn wrote: That's the most common deployment mistake I see made with the 75xx nowadays. People want to move to dCEF to get added feature capability or

Re: TCP/BGP vulnerability - easier than you think

2004-04-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Questions arose while trying to explain proposed TCP fixes to my students. Can y'all help me with these? We were going over the Transmission Control Protocol security considerations draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure-00.txt document here when the questions arose:

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

2004-04-26 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Aside from that, though... the guts were pretty darned similar, probably identical. I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our