Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-03 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 09:23 +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: In Ciscoland its called Autosecure (IOS 12.3): http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/iosw/prodlit/cas11_ds.htm Blocks all IANA reserved IP address blocks The actual doc:

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Elmar K. Bins wrote: And while Cisco's autosecure feature looks fine in most parts (saves a lazy overworked bum like me a lot of typing), it does not do much good - in my opinion - when it comes to bogon filtering. I prefer knowing what the filter looks like, and it does

Re: Bogon filtering

2004-12-03 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 00:53 -0500, J. Oquendo wrote: Considering the talk of banning going on, I was reluctant to post this, anyhow, I wondered how many (if any) have ever thought about the aspect of vendors deciding to implement some form of default bogon filtering on their products. With

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Elmar K. Bins
Hank :-) that, nor any way of modifying the list (correct me if I'm wrong). See pages 9, 10 and 12 of the PDF I posted. Specifically, it sets up: ip access-list extended autosec_iana_reserved_block, and ip access-list extended autosec_complete_bogon which you of course can change like

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Andre Oppermann
Hank Nussbacher wrote: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Elmar K. Bins wrote: And while Cisco's autosecure feature looks fine in most parts (saves a lazy overworked bum like me a lot of typing), it does not do much good - in my opinion - when it comes to bogon filtering. I prefer knowing what the filter looks

Re: is reverse dns required? (policy question)

2004-12-03 Thread Andre Oppermann
Mark Andrews wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: You would put in a global wildcard that says no smtp sender here. Only for those boxes being legitimate SMTP to outside senders you'd put in a more specific record as shown above. You probably have to enter some dozen to one hundred

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Jim Segrave
On Thu 02 Dec 2004 (15:21 -0500), Steven Champeon wrote: on Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:56:29PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Possibly. What will happen if the Lycos botnet gets hijacked? The conversations between the clients and the servers don't appear to be keyed. If a million clients

The Cidr Report

2004-12-03 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Dec 3 21:40:03 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

Re: Bogon filtering

2004-12-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
There is one thing though which is somewhat a problem with these setups, one has to trust the source of the filters, they are technically controlling your network, who you talk to and who not. And this little technical issue can be a huge political issue. This change control issue is an

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 3-dec-04, at 10:57, Andre Oppermann wrote: Routers would ship with the iana_reserved_block list of when they were manufactured. If the user is stoopid enough not to be able to get his filters from Cymru directly then he should not have any filtering at all because he is never going to update

VeriSign Releases Domain Name Data

2004-12-03 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
December 1, 2004 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- Internet security company and domain registry operator VeriSign Inc. (verisign.com) announced on Wednesday tiat it has released the Domain Name Industry Brief for the third quarter of 2004, noting the registration of 5.1 million new domain names

Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

2004-12-03 Thread Cliff Albert
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 10:57:15AM +0100, Andre Oppermann wrote: If you do any bogon filtering at all then do it with some automatically updating system like an BGP bogon feed from Cymru. How does the BGP bogon feed from cymru protect against more-specific bogons ? -- Cliff Albert [EMAIL

Microsoft suing spammers....Tilting at windmills?

2004-12-03 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Given the discussion here on the Lycos anti-spam campaign, it is also interesting to note that Microsoft is taking a more direct approach to curtail spammer activity -- suing them. As reported on the NewsFactor Network, Microsoft has filed seven more lawsuits against spammers, this time

Load balancing outgoing connections automatically.

2004-12-03 Thread Drew Weaver
Howdy. Were looking at upgrading our border router(s) from 7500s to (something) yet undetermined. What we would like to do is perhaps find a platform that is smart enough to not route more outgoing traffic across a circuit than it can handle. We have 4 outgoing links to the net at the

Re: VeriSign Releases Domain Name Data

2004-12-03 Thread James Baldwin
On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: December 1, 2004 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- Internet security company and domain registry operator VeriSign Inc. (verisign.com) announced on Wednesday tiat it has released the Domain Name Industry Brief for the third quarter of 2004,

RE: Load balancing outgoing connections automatically.

2004-12-03 Thread kwallace
Internap's(Sockeye/netVmg's)"FCP" Flow Contorl Platform might do the trick for you- Keith Wallace From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:53 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Load balancing outgoing connections automatically. Howdy. We're

Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-03 Thread David Barak
--- J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about it over and over, and wonder why this hasn't been done. Any care to beat me with a clue stick or two. I can understand the arguments of not wanting a vendor to have control of some aspect of my business, or control over my network,

Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site

2004-12-03 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Lycos Europe appeared to have pulled a controversial anti-spam screensaver program from its site on Friday, after coming under fire from both security experts and the spammers themselves. http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/12/03/HNlycospullsscreensaver_1.html - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul

Re: Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site

2004-12-03 Thread Gadi Evron
Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Lycos Europe appeared to have pulled a controversial anti-spam screensaver program from its site on Friday, after coming under fire from both security experts and the spammers themselves. http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/12/03/HNlycospullsscreensaver_1.html Okay.

using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread todd romero
does anyone have expirience using a sniffer on a hi-capacity network segment, that might know if there are limitations I need to worry about? example: customers doing EMC database replication across a mpls link, and when the capacity reaches aprox. 250 Mbp/s packets are arriving out of sequence

RE: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-03 Thread Mark Segal
Then you could also just get a connection to team cymru's bogon servers. Works Perfectly for us. I have been peering with them from our sink hole/black hole trigger router, for a while now, and I no longer need to manually update the files. More info here. http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html

Re: Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site

2004-12-03 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
I was thinking the same thing Plus, Stay Tuned doesn't mean that they necessarily pulled the screensaver permanently - ferg -- Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lycos Europe appeared to have pulled a controversial anti-spam screensaver program from its site on Friday, after

Re: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread Steve Francis
It probably depends more on pps than bandwidth. At a prior job, I used FreeBSD 4.x machines to capture over 400,000 pps, I think, on gigabit links. You need a nic that is supported with one of the device polling drivers to keep CPU manageable. (Intel, not yet broadcom.) FreeBSD far surpassed

Re: Load balancing outgoing connections automatically.

2004-12-03 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Drew Weaver wrote: | Howdy. We?re looking at upgrading our border router(s) from | 7500s to (something) yet undetermined. What we would like to do is | perhaps find a platform that is smart enough to not route more outgoing | traffic across

Re: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Francis wrote: | | It probably depends more on pps than bandwidth. | At a prior job, I used FreeBSD 4.x machines to capture over 400,000 pps, | I think, on gigabit links. | You need a nic that is supported with one of the device polling drivers |

IBM --- Bogon filtering

2004-12-03 Thread Majid Farid
Any of IBM people on list? NOC email and phone is not good. I am trying to get 72.1.1920.19 off their Bogon filtering for 2 weeks now without any luck. If someone has a contact that can at least point me in the right direction it will be much appreciated. Regards, Majid Farid Telecom Ottawa

Weekly Routing Table Report

2004-12-03 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 04 Dec, 2004

Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-03 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Hank Nussbacher wrote: Blocks all IANA reserved IP address blocks The actual doc: http://niatec.info/mediacontent/cisco/media/targets/resources_mod07/7_1_2_AutoSecure.pdf Surprise, surprise. The examples in that document are already out of date and filtering as bogons

Re: Microsoft suing spammers....Tilting at windmills?

2004-12-03 Thread Owen DeLong
It makes one wonder if an entity with as deep pockets and adept legal staff might actually make an impact on spammers, or if they are simply tilting at windmills. Either way, it's a good thing. It takes resources away from Micr0$0ft's other legal pursuits which can't possibly be a bad thing. It

Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me either)

2004-12-03 Thread Jerry Pasker
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Hank Nussbacher wrote: Blocks all IANA reserved IP address blocks The actual doc: http://niatec.info/mediacontent/cisco/media/targets/resources_mod07/7_1_2_AutoSecure.pdf Surprise, surprise. The examples in that document are already out of date and filtering as bogons

RE: Load balancing outgoing connections automatically.

2004-12-03 Thread Chris Ranch
Drew Weaver wrote: | Howdy. We?re looking at upgrading our border router(s) | from 7500s to (something) yet undetermined. I love my 7304-G100's as a nice step up from the 7500's, and short of the GSR or J-vendor. Be sure to get the G100's and not the NSE-100 (no PXF). Order of

Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG

2004-12-03 Thread Lou Katz
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 08:31:10AM -0800, nanog gonan wrote: I ask that the methodology of bannishment be posted to the list, so we're all aware of the consequences of too much OT. Is it permanent banishment or a procedure similar to the one that William suggests? How many warnings get

Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG

2004-12-03 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Lou Katz wrote: I was puzzled by this, since I basically lurk on the list, and have made very few postings. I replied to Susan privately that, among other things, I had no record nor recollection of any previous warnings, and asked politely for information regarding these,

RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG

2004-12-03 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG [snip] This is my first post directly to the NANOG list. Ever. I'm not sure why you chose this thread as

Re: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 3-dec-04, at 17:08, Steve Francis wrote: It probably depends more on pps than bandwidth. Although if you have very high bandwidth you may run into trouble with the PCI bus. 33 MHz 32 bit PCI can barely manage 1 Gbps, and that's withough taking overhead into account. At a prior job, I used

Re: My yearly post about environmental monitoring devices

2004-12-03 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Brandon Butterworth wrote: Ethernet is cheap and trivial, drop some code in one of these (cpu is built into the rj45 socket) http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xport.html Cheap is relative. These are showing about $50 each, Considering

RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG

2004-12-03 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Hannigan, Martin wrote: This is my first post directly to the NANOG list. Ever. I'm not sure why you chose this thread as your sunshine, but welcome. In brief, I've never been largely concerned with where I jump into the pool, or if my speedo matches the popular cut. Apologies

New Force10 List (and other puck resources)

2004-12-03 Thread Jared Mauch
Just as a FYI to a number of people out there, I do periodically create new lists on puck.nether.net, including a new Force10 related list. For those of you that are interested, you can find subscription information here:

Re: Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site

2004-12-03 Thread Steven Susbauer
At the moment the screensaver does nothing. It blanks to grey and displays the message Stay Tuned that's really about it. (Of course it still connects to the Makelovenotspam.com site, but that isn't really the point). It wouldn't surprise me if the screensaver, or a modified version, went

RE: Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site

2004-12-03 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lycos pulls anti-spam screensaver from site At the moment the screensaver does nothing. It blanks to grey and displays the

Is the Internet a Phone Company

2004-12-03 Thread Ted Fischer
/lurk All, Right from the Horse's Mouth: Quote: FCC Chairman Michael K. Powell applauded the Supreme Court's move to hear the case. The 9th Circuit's decision would have grave consequences for the future and availability of high-speed Internet connections in this country, he

Re: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread JP Velders
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: todd romero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes does anyone have expirience using a sniffer on a hi-capacity network segment, that might know if there are limitations I need to worry about?

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread John Dupuy
Along these lines, one could leave the transit AS networks alone if a parallel 16 bit ASN space were created. Essentially, any non-transit network would have it's non-public ASN retranslated NAT-style by upstream transit network border routers. Only the border routers would have to be changed.

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Owen DeLong
I think the original proposal was to still go with 32 bit ASNs, but, adapt a range of 32 bit ASNs for the assignment to NON-TRANSIT ASNs leaving the entire 16 bit range reserved for TRANSIT ASNs. I think there's merit to the idea, but, I think that it could use some refinement. I agree there will

APRICOT 2005 in Kyoto, Japan

2004-12-03 Thread Philip Smith
Hi everyone, This is to let you know that the registration for APRICOT 2005 in Kyoto, Japan, from 18th to 25th February 2005 is now open. APRICOT is the Asia Pacific region's Internet operations and technology conference, and consists of workshops, tutorials, conference, as well as the 6

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:36:39 CST, John Dupuy said: Along these lines, one could leave the transit AS networks alone if a parallel 16 bit ASN space were created. Essentially, any non-transit network would have it's non-public ASN retranslated NAT-style by upstream transit network border

RE: Microsoft suing spammers....Tilting at windmills?

2004-12-03 Thread Blake L. Smith - XtremeBandwidth.com, Inc.
I think it's a good thing Microsoft is going after spammers - who cares if they loose the money (or their freedom, heh) they earned from sending you an email. Best Wishes, Blake L. Smith XtremeBandwidth.com, Inc. 949-330-6400 Office 949-606-7100 Fax www.XtremeBandwidth.com -Original

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Owen DeLong
I don't see non-transit ASN leakage as any greater issue than current private ASN leakage. However, I do see the ability to use non-transit ASNs to multihome end sites with provider independent addresses and allow better aggregation as a good thing. In this case, leakage would only have the same

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Edward B. Dreger
OD Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:45:17 -0800 OD From: Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] OD I think the original proposal was to still go with 32 bit ASNs, but, adapt OD a range of 32 bit ASNs for the assignment to NON-TRANSIT ASNs leaving OD the entire 16 bit range reserved for TRANSIT ASNs. Correct.

Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG

2004-12-03 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Rubenstein) writes: ... I think we all agree that RAS and Randy don't fall into the above category of having to be gotten ridden of. ... nope. -- Paul Vixie

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Owen DeLong
I think all the meaningful parties have already pretty much agreed on 32bit ASNs in BGP4. I think that will be coded in the routers well before any attribute-based thing for 32bit ASNs is. As such, I don't see much point to kludging this instead of just going for it assuming a 32bit world. Owen

Re: Microsoft suing spammers....Tilting at windmills?

2004-12-03 Thread Bob Martin
Sometimes the only way to stop evil is not with good... You must confront it with a different kind of evil. David Twohy - The Chronicles of Riddick Bob Owen DeLong wrote: It makes one wonder if an entity with as deep pockets and adept legal staff might actually make an impact on spammers, or if

Re: 16-bit ASN kludge

2004-12-03 Thread Edward B. Dreger
OD Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:09:48 -0800 OD From: Owen DeLong OD I think all the meaningful parties have already pretty much agreed on OD 32bit ASNs in BGP4. I think that will be coded in the routers well before OD any attribute-based thing for 32bit ASNs is. As such, I don't see much OD point

Re: using sniffer on high-bandwidth pipes

2004-12-03 Thread Peter John Hill
If you want to get serious, check out endace cards... www.endace.com Their cards offload much of the pcap processing to the specialized nic... It is only for sniffing. They manage to do a zero copy directly to memory... You can capture near line rate at gigabit speeds. They are expensive, but