new operational mailing list - snort signatures for ISP's

2005-04-08 Thread Gadi Evron
Hi. We see the need for a mailing list, where we can send snort signatures that are not for public release, and have the ISP's and other responsible parties run these sigs and come back with results. This will be a sub-list of the drone armies research and mitigation mailing list, as well as for

Re: The power of default configurations

2005-04-08 Thread Michael . Dillon
So, this highlights some good operational practices in networking and DNS-applications, but doesn't answer how 1918 is 'different' or 'special' than any other ip address. I think what I was driving at is that putting these proposed road blocks in bind is akin to the 'cisco auto secure'

The Cidr Report

2005-04-08 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Apr 8 21:44:57 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

Re: The power of default configurations

2005-04-08 Thread Simon Waters
On Friday 08 Apr 2005 11:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which leads me to the question: Why are RFC 1918 addresses defined in a document rather than in an authoritative protocol feed which people can use to configure devices? Because they don't change terribly often. Indeed the ones in

Re: Spam (un)blocking

2005-04-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Apr 8, 2005 6:51 PM, Howard, W. Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Because abuse@ went to a 24x7 team, with an auto-responder, and (on advice of counsel and for scalability reasons) we did not reply to every complaint with a description of the action taken, it was assumed no action was taken.

AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Philip Lavine
To all, I am using AS prepending to favor one ISP over another, in a BGP multihomed/multiISP scenario. Why does the ISP receiving the prepends fail to add my network into their routing table? Is this a feature of BGP, or have I gone too far with 3 prepend statements. Thx Philip

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread christian . macnevin
Do they not have your routes present in their table *at all* or do they just not point them to you? If they have them but via another route, it may be that the shorter path for them is via the ISP you're not prepending. Though unless they've got free transit it would seem pretty dense not to use

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Philip Lavine wrote: I am using AS prepending to favor one ISP over another, in a BGP multihomed/multiISP scenario. Why does the ISP receiving the prepends fail to add my network into their routing table? Is this a feature of BGP, or have I gone too far with 3 prepend

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Philip Lavine wrote: I am using AS prepending to favor one ISP over another, in a BGP multihomed/multiISP scenario. Why does the ISP receiving the prepends fail to add my network into their routing table? Is this a feature of BGP, or have I gone too far with 3 prepend

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Philip Lavine
Update: I am prepending my AS 3 times to the un-preferred ISP. Both ISP's are my peers. The un-preferred ISP claims the see my advertisement yet they do not add it to their routing table (suggests filtering??). They claim all the filtering they are doing is based on the networks I told them over

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread David Gethings
On Friday 08 April 2005 16:04, Philip Lavine wrote: I am prepending my AS 3 times to the un-preferred ISP. Both ISP's are my peers. The un-preferred ISP claims the see my advertisement yet they do not add it to their routing table (suggests filtering??). They claim all the filtering they are

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Philip Lavine wrote: I am prepending my AS 3 times to the un-preferred ISP. Both ISP's are my peers. Ok...I just wanted to be sure you weren't prepending their ASN in which case loop detection would stop them from accepting your routes. The un-preferred ISP claims the

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Pete Templin
Philip Lavine wrote: Update: I am prepending my AS 3 times to the un-preferred ISP. Both ISP's are my peers. The un-preferred ISP claims the see my advertisement yet they do not add it to their routing table (suggests filtering??). They claim all the filtering they are doing is based on the

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread Philip Lavine
Update 2: More info. When I have tested the failover by pulling the plug on the preferred ISP, I do not see my network in looking glass. Secondly, the backup provider has told me the the route is not in the (rib). Philip --- Mark Kasten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: offlist fwiw, it's in the

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread David Gethings
On Friday 08 April 2005 17:05, Philip Lavine wrote: More info. When I have tested the failover by pulling the plug on the preferred ISP, I do not see my network in looking glass. Secondly, the backup provider has told me the the route is not in the (rib). In that case your only course of

Re: AS prepending

2005-04-08 Thread David Barak
--- Philip Lavine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update 2: More info. When I have tested the failover by pulling the plug on the preferred ISP, I do not see my network in looking glass. Secondly, the backup provider has told me the the route is not in the (rib). Philip Have you

Re: The power of default configurations

2005-04-08 Thread Duane Wessels
anyone got any figures for how much port 0 traffic is around? For F-root, queries with UDP source port 0 make up about 0.001% of the traffic. Or 4500 queries yesterday. I'm not seeing any source port 0 queries at ISC's AS112 node or their TLD server. Duane W.

Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-08 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 09 Apr, 2005

Port 0 traffic

2005-04-08 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Simon Waters wrote: Whilst we are on dross that turns up at DNS servers, how about traffic for port 0, surely this could be killed at the routing level as well, anyone got any figures for how much port 0 traffic is around? My understanding is it is mostly either scanning,

Blog...

2005-04-08 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
I've decided to take Randy's (and a few others) advice and, instead of polluting the list with tech news snippets, post them to a blog. So in my spare time, I'll post stuff there instead of to the list... pointer in my .sig below. Can I get a Hallelujah?! :-) - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul

Re: Blog...

2005-04-08 Thread Susan Harris
I've decided to take Randy's (and a few others) advice and, instead of polluting the list with tech news snippets, post them to a blog. So in my spare time, I'll post stuff there instead of to the list... pointer in my .sig below. Can I get a Hallelujah?! :-) - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a.

Re: Blog...

2005-04-08 Thread Randy Bush
Can I get a Hallelujah?! :-) from here, you get one hallelujah and one sporadic reader. fwiw, i read two other blogs http://www.intel-dump.com/ http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ both political randy

Re: Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-08 Thread Joe Loiacono
Wha happen? Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 09 Apr, 2005 Analysis Summary BGP routing table entries examined: 139674 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 83474 Unique aggregates announced to Internet:

Re: Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:48:53 EDT, Joe Loiacono said: Wha happen? Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 09 Apr, 2005 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 17729 Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 02 Apr, 2005 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing

Botted Hosts tracking, v0.01alpha

2005-04-08 Thread Ejay Hire
Hello. I have an pre alpha version of the compromised host tracking system ready, and I need some guinea pigs. This is based on my earlier AOL scomp complaint work. If you would like to receive a daily html summary email of the this is spam complaints for your ip space, please reply. The

RE: Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-08 Thread Alexander Kiwerski
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:00 PM To: Joe Loiacono Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Weekly Routing Table Report On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:48:53 EDT, Joe Loiacono said: Wha happen?

Re: The power of default configurations

2005-04-08 Thread just me
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Eric A. Hall wrote: If folks were used to just adding forwarder entries to named.boot, yes, since they'd also have to remember to undelegate authority for the relevant rfc1918 address space now too. If somebody setup a network using a subset of the address space

djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Vicky Rode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/197203from=rss Just wondering how many have transitioned to djbdns from bind and if so any feedback. regards, /vicky -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vicky Rode) writes: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/197203from=rss i'm struck by the persistent rumours repeated by this text: Those who have been concerned with the number of security vulnerabilities found in the BIND server through

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread John Kinsella
(attribution removed due to my freeform quoting to make a point) ...from the ones DJB has complained about... And there we have the reason alot of us don't use DJB softwares. :)

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Apr 8, 2005 4:55 PM, Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/197203from=rss Just wondering how many have transitioned to djbdns from bind and if so any feedback. regards, /vicky I used to use djbdns on my laptop for testing things,

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Vicky Rode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thanks for the insight to all who responded. regards, /vicky -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Niek
On 4/9/2005 1:50 AM +0100, Paul Vixie wrote: Count Server Software [snip some list] One could also put together a list based on: - Security holes. - Amount of code - Bloatness - Seperation of functionality - # of seconds it takes to load huge amounts of zones In the end, it all comes down to

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Dragos Ruiu
fnordmaradns/fnord :-) On April 8, 2005 05:43 pm, Niek wrote: On 4/9/2005 1:50 AM +0100, Paul Vixie wrote: Count Server Software [snip some list] One could also put together a list based on: - Security holes. - Amount of code - Bloatness - Seperation of functionality - # of

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niek) writes: One could also put together a list based on: - Security holes. in BIND9-- zero so far. - Amount of code in BIND9-- % find . -name '*.[chyl]' -print | xargs wc -l | awk '{X+=$1} END {print X}' 687674 - Bloatness in BIND9-- none. - Seperation of

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread W.D.McKinney
-Original Message- From: Vicky Rode [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 8, 2005 10:55 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: djbdns: An alternative to BIND -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/197203from=rss Just

Re: Blog...

2005-04-08 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: makes as much sense as turning nanog into a web-access only mail sink. i liked your news items. and sean's. i wouldn't have known to go look at the iraqi network operator/nic situation if news about the hack on

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Nathan Ward
Vicky - Thou shalt not post about DJB software to a mailing list Vixie reads regularly. I take it you didn't listen in bible study class.. I had a play with DJBDNS after using BIND for years. Here's why I switched back: - No AXFR support - No TCP support - I was forced to use DJBs naming

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Niek
On 4/9/2005 3:46 AM +0100, Nathan Ward wrote: I had a play with DJBDNS after using BIND for years. Here's why I switched back: - No AXFR support It supports this. - No TCP support It supports this. - I was forced to use DJBs naming conventions for zones If you administer 2-3 domains, sure it's an

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Apr 9, 2005 7:26 AM, Niek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/9/2005 3:46 AM +0100, Nathan Ward wrote: I had a play with DJBDNS after using BIND for years. Here's why I switched back: - No AXFR support It supports this. No IXFR, no automatic notification of bind slaves (you get to run a

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Niek
On 4/9/2005 4:03 AM +0100, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: No IXFR, no automatic notification of bind slaves (you get to run a separate notify script) ... No RFC requires a specfic system of notification. Seperate notify scripts are ok, rsync is even better! Oh wait, does bind support rsync ? But

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Apr 9, 2005 7:47 AM, Niek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes, patch, patch ... welcome to patching hell if you run qmail or any other djb ware :) Yeah we tech folk hate patching. I like it - as long as I dont have to spend all my time on it. Take qmail for instance - or at least netqmail

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Randy Bush
neither has ever had bugs or security problems, they were stopped by the flying pigs. the same pigs who made them both completely rfc-of-the-week compliant. the same pigs who made them both so easy to set up and use. as a rare truthful router vendor hack once said we suck less. what a

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005, Niek wrote: On 4/9/2005 3:46 AM +0100, Nathan Ward wrote: - I was forced to use DJBs naming conventions for zones If you administer 2-3 domains, sure it's an hassle, if not, put code-monkeys to work. Most script people I know love the tinydns zone structure in

Re: Port 0 traffic

2005-04-08 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Sean Donelan wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Simon Waters wrote: Whilst we are on dross that turns up at DNS servers, how about traffic for port 0, surely this could be killed at the routing level as well, anyone got any figures for how much port 0 traffic is around? My

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Paul Vixie
woody wrote and the usual kids-ranting-at-each-other and so i'm back again: No IXFR, no automatic notification of bind slaves (you get to run a separate notify script) ... No RFC requires a specfic system of notification. true enough, RFC1996 (thanks again randy!) isn't actually required

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Paul Vixie
oddly enough, i still consider this on-topic, even though it has more to do with sysadmin than netops. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam McKenna) writes: Try writing a script to parse BIND zone files. why on earth would i want to do that? BIND might be storing it in SQL or BerkeleyDB or some other

Re: The power of default configurations

2005-04-08 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 4/8/2005 6:19 PM, just me wrote: I don't really want to speak for anyone else here, but it always appeared to me that the problem Vix keeps mentioning is queries with 1918 SOURCE ADDRESSES, not 1918-space queries. This thread, like every nanog thread, has completely lost focus of

Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:50:51 -, Paul Vixie said: OK. So one of them is a Honda Civic, and one is an M3. And I really don't care which is which, because: Count Server Software Version 2673 BIND 4.9.3 -- 4.9.11 Gaak. :) Some of us are obviously still walking barefoot down unpaved

books every network operator should read?

2005-04-08 Thread Janet Sullivan
I'd like to make a list for the BGP4.net wiki of books that are thought highly of by the network community. What books stand out for you as being excellent? If you could only own 5 network related books, what would they be? Feel free to reply to me offlist - I'll post a summary after a few

Re: Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-08 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Folks, Sorry about that, something seems to have broken when the script was run earlier on today. The table in the view I use was 140k prefixes then, and is now back up to the normal 159k again. philip -- Joe Loiacono said the following on 09/04/2005 06:48: Wha happen? Routing Table Report